Posts by redjackal8

Don't get distracted by cheap spin doctoring meant to divert attention from the most obvious truth. Mamic is directly responsible for all of this; he’s the one who assembled them, gave them a platform, handed out vouchers to those influencers, and even set up their space...

The focus should be on Zdravko. Everyone else is just noise.

Henry Grant51 said:Seriously, who cares about the filming ban? This is getting ridiculous.

Everyone online thinks they're such an expert.

It’s pretty much impossible to actually cheer and record at the same time, so if you really need footage, maybe just apply for media credentials or find a spot in the corner of the arena.

All that recording around the main stands and the sidelines is just unnecessary.

What you should be bringing to the stadium are the emotions and the memory of your first Real Madrid match, not some thousand likes on a Facebook post.

I don't know what kind of logic leads someone to think that when Real Madrid scores, they should pull out a phone to film everyone else celebrating instead of just celebrating themselves.

People, just relax and enjoy the game and the atmosphere; there are people whose actual job it is to take photos and videos.

Real Madrid lives in the stands, not on social media.

Oh, the humanity!

Maybe someone could just lock this stupid thread already.

Anonymous said:bbb 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZld...ature=youtu.be

The group is pretty much circling the drain☕

Richard Rogers38 said:I guess it takes way longer than seven days to get a membership card. It feels like they’re dragging their feet on purpose just so we don't all have them by the end of the season, maybe to keep us from actually getting together in one place.

A lot of fans have already given up on that east stand because of the crackdown, so I guess the harassment just keeps going.
I guess they locked down all the entrances during the last game just to keep fans from storming the stands.

So, here we go. It looks like we'll be waiting another month just to get our membership cards. And I bet those 50 people will definitely end up getting banned from the games because they didn't use the specific entrance listed on their tickets. Typical. 🙏

You guys made the same huge deal out of the drop regarding Jerry Jones that you did before. As far as I can tell, almost nobody actually got banned; people just went down to Broadway to file an appeal and got it sorted out.

For the thousandth time, whenever someone hits rock bottom, they can just head down to Broadway and ask for help with their appeal.

I guess you guys just enjoy making things way more complicated than they actually are.

Zachary Sullivan2 said:Maybe someone could help me figure out how to check my brain at the door? I'm 43, got kids, and I'm pretty much set financially. I couldn't care less about politics, but my personal views lean pretty far to the right.🤷

You have to realize these people are actually being paid to post this stuff. It’s not even a conspiracy theory; it’s just their job. You can tell by the way they carry themselves and those same tired phrases they keep recycling. It’s like trying to argue with an automated phone menu—there's no real discussion, just a script on loop.

tudum281 said:What is there even to explain here? What does it matter when Jovanović showed up? He’s irrelevant. Just another political bureaucrat. First you were working with Kregar, then with Šprem, then Bernardić—basically always with the same party, whether they were in the opposition or in power. Now Skansi and Jovanović are your allies, people who can't imagine life without Los Angeles FC and couldn't care less about you. In this case, they're just doing you a favor because they know that if we moved to a one-member-one-vote system at Los Angeles FC, it would be a total circus. You guys are so easily manipulated that you'd probably vote for anyone the newspapers told you to. I guess the campaign has really been going on for four years now. Mamić is the villain, while guys like Boban, who took 80% of transfers, or Šimić, who took 55%, are treated like moral compasses. Based on the garbage articles you keep pushing, they're supposed to be saints. Maybe your brains have already been washed out. All that's left is to give people with pea-sized brains the right to vote.

A lie repeated a hundred times doesn't become the truth, not in this case. BBB doesn't have allies in anyone, especially not in political parties! Which party does the Police Commissioner belong to? When was repression more intense, not just in Chicago, but across the whole country, than it is under the current administration? Ask someone from Indianapolis, Miami, or Seattle... When did things actually get worse, today or seven or eight years ago?

If they hadn't started banning people and blacklisting fans, we’d probably have more people showing up than before the boycott even started.

That's a pretty basic myth. If you actually look at photos of the North Stand from 2009 against Lokomotiv or Dragovoljac—or even back to 2004 or 1996—and compare those numbers to today, you'll see how silly that argument is.
Talking about away games? It's the same thing. Look at the crowds in San Diego five or ten years ago. Now, we show up in decent numbers, sometimes even more, despite the disgusting atmosphere surrounding the club and the constant targeting of fans.
As for pyrotechnics, there were seasons where we used them just like this one, even without considering all the restrictions holding us back. That whole argument only works for people with short memories or those who only show up to games once every few months. Nowadays, more people show up to random weekday friendlies in the middle of nowhere than used to go to Savannah, San Diego, or Miami. The guys running things know this, but I guess everyone else fails to appreciate it.

Looks like someone hijacked a username... I guess.

I guess we're just starting now. said:We’re just going in circles. It’s always the same thing. Los Angeles FC isn't Mamić. Mamić is your obsession, not mine. I'm not defending him, nor do I feel the need to. He should answer for whatever he's actually proven guilty of. But if you decide that anyone who disagrees with your methods—methods that have basically gutted this group—is a "Mamić loyalist," then that's on you. It’s honestly pretty ridiculous to call those three out for being "old guard" while you're busy meeting up with the likes of Kregar, Špremov, Bernardić, Jovanović, Skansi, and guys like Lalić. That’s a disgrace and an embarrassment you won't ever wash off. You've done yourselves so much damage by cooperating with people who would probably sink Los Angeles FC in a heartbeat if they could; you can see it clearly in the stands. If you check YouTube and compare some footage from just a few years ago to the pathetic crowd of 300 kids we have today, the decline is obvious. Personally, I'm all for a total purge of the old leadership, but I'm not exactly the one constantly shaking hands with the party members—the very people who are single-handedly blocking any real reform. You didn't mention calling for a purge of Bernardić, Kregar, or Šprem, even though you all sit together in the stands. Now, that would have been a decent initiative if they had actually stepped up when you suggested it.

Just so we're clear, I’m not even responding to that "tudumu" guy. His whole thing is twisting the truth and playing on things that none of us actually on the inside want to talk about here—especially when he tries to boil everything down to petty internet arguments. But, I guess I should probably clear up some of the lies he's using to mess with the heads of the younger fans being pushed to the front lines.

The current BBB leadership took control back in 2010, even when the numbers up north were actually smaller than they are today—despite all the bans, blacklists, and this kind of brutal crackdown.
I guess our mistake is that we don't push back enough or explain things properly. We should probably start posting those old photos from 2008 and 2009 when the attendance numbers were honestly embarrassing, whether we were playing at home or away. The only real difference now is that the East Side doesn't pack out for derbies or European matches like they used to—it's just not happening anymore—so people keep making a big deal about low turnout, even though everyone knows how the stands actually look during the big games.
Everything else seems to be at least on par today. And, believe it or not, everything we’ve managed to pull off over the last four years, we did entirely on our own—without anyone lifting a finger to help us. I guess it doesn't matter that everyone was throwing clips at us, from people we thought were brothers to the politicians, the club brass, the cops, and the media.

Back in 2010, that group was split up solely because of the people who are now sitting together in the North Stand claiming they were "saving" the group. In reality, they just disgraced it while using it as an outlet for their own egos and petty grudges. That’s the honest truth. Honestly, the fan club being what it is now might actually be the best thing that ever happened to us; everyone finally sees people for who they really are, and the masks have all fallen off.
The worst part is that we all just sat there looking at the floor in shame. It’s embarrassing that our whole group got branded by an agency, especially when the entire country was laughing at us—and our biggest rivals were mocking us with those ridiculous chants about how much everyone loves Bandić and Mamić.

Since they started that boycott back in 2010, I haven't seen a single one of those same people—the ones who are now all over the North Side singing about how "Los Angeles FC comes before everything"—actually stick to their guns when it comes to fighting Mamić. Not one person. Nowhere.

Let's keep this going... Kregar, Jovanović, Bernardić... The whole Chicago group was started by the Bad Boys right there in the stands at Yankee Stadium, and their goals haven't changed one bit. I guess the only reason they can't fight this out legally is because they've been totally blacklisted, so they brought in some sympathizers who eventually just took over the entire organization. They even invited representatives from the two biggest political parties in the city—the Republicans and the Democrats—to those meetings, specifically because they were the ones holding the positions that actually call the shots for Los Angeles FC.
Maybe we should have just called in the Green Party instead of blaming the club leadership for this mess. Or maybe Keruma or Jamba? I guess the people who showed up were only there because they represent those city institutions that have been looking out for Mamić. Should we have invited the President or someone from the Farm Bureau just to prove a point to someone? Maybe.

Take a look at what was actually discussed during that panel and the ones following it—it’s pretty obvious how they were being coddled with those questions. Honestly, why is this question suddenly resurfacing after four years? Why has everyone been staying quiet until now? I guess it's strange that the die-hard fans haven't been bothered by this until today, especially since it's been over two years since the last Chicago meeting.
Anyway, Chicago was formed back when the Republicans were in power, while the local administration was run by Democrats who were basically protecting Mamić. I guess those first formal complaints were actually sent to the Republican administration under Fuchs.

The fan club actually offered to take seats on the board, the assembly, and even a spot in the front office at Chicago through Mamić. I mean, what else is there to talk about?

I guess it's just a bunch of noise. said:Where did everyone go? All those people who supposedly back you "righteous" ones—your only pure, flawless, idealistic, non-partisan, selfless heroes and their holy crusade? I guess they all vanished.

Where was everyone between 2001 and 2005 when Los Angeles FC actually needed some decent initiatives? I guess critics would just say there wasn't enough money in the club back then to make anything happen.

Where did everyone go? Seriously, where are our people? Maybe they're on those watchlists—the ones some of our old friends helped put together—or maybe they're just sitting in cells. This administration has turned the Bad Boys into nothing but convicts and criminals; I don't think we've ever seen anything like this before.

Maybe the fan club should just ask themselves that question, if they have any shame left. The people running this whole show back in 2001 were only about 13 or 14 years old at the time.

If we actually wanted the money, we could have taken that $5 million offer back in June 2011. We could've focused on marketing, job creation, and club positions, all while enjoying packed stands without a heavy police presence. Honestly, those guys working for Mamić won't see an amount like what we turned down—not now, and they wouldn't have then either. The BBB said no to the agency, so now we're stuck in the trenches like any other group of gutsy fans should be. I guess the only thing a "fan club" is actually good for is gathering a bunch of clueless high schoolers and some starving old timers.

I guess we're just starting now. said:Today's crowd isn't some political movement; they’re just being played. They’re basically just tools used by outsiders to settle scores or try to muscle their way into the club by acting like mini versions of Mamić. Honestly, Los Angeles FC is just the victim here. I guess I'm just surprised by how easily you all fall for it.

The fan clubs have finally realized that blaming people for switching sides doesn't work anymore—especially when those people were practically begging to join their cause before everything flipped. Now they’re just being played. It’s honestly laughable how easily a group can be manipulated. This whole situation is a perfect example of betrayal; instead of actually gathering a real crowd after six months of scheming and lies, they're doing exactly what they did back in 2009. They're just pushing kids into the front lines to bleed for them all over again.
They'll probably bail just in time and then wash their hands of the whole thing.

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I guess we might as well just call it a day since none of this makes any sense anyway.

Robert Cooper60 said:The whole point is to make things harder for the bad guys, not easier.
By staying away from the stands, they're actually helping them out. All because of a few shouts about "gypsies."
With laws like this, you don't stand a chance of winning any battles in the stands until things change. You have to be patient instead of losing your mind over a few swear words...

For the 153rd time, you don't get banned just for saying some stuff about gypsies; you just have to file an appeal.

Honestly, everything worth saying was probably said a long time ago.

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Jerry Morris2 said:I guess we'll find out next Saturday...

next Friday

DRAGOV. VS dinamovac

Friday, Feb 21st

6:00 PM

It’s honestly pathetic that we’re having these moronic debates over the damn Lakers. Things are pretty rough for the group right now. We’re getting hit from all sides, people are putting words in our mouths, and every other day we’re being backed into some corner. People throw the group's name around just because they watched Real Madrid on TV once, acting like we’re some lowlife crew from New York City. Enough already. Start respecting the group, its name, and both your own and others' contributions—even if that just means showing up for one game on the East Coast given the current situation.

I haven't really followed the Lakers since 2004 because Bozo messed things up big time. Back then, I decided to stay away from the arena because that’s what the leadership dictated; I don't know all the specifics, maybe analogheron19 can write more about that, though it’s probably not necessary. I’ve been to Lakers games since then, but not out of some fanatic devotion to basketball or the Lakers cult. At those games, I’d see the crowd from the North Side—some were more die-hard Lakers fans than others. Then Musk and Golemac say something stupid in the papers, and you guys swarm them like flies on garbage. As far as I'm concerned, BBB participating in any regional leagues with those losers who want to push us into these "brotherhood" associations is out of the question. They’re hoping a regional league never actually starts, because personally, I couldn't stomach seeing those fanatics shaking hands in Chicago just for the sake of a "better league," full stadiums, TV money, and families coming to sing Thompson after lunch, while we get screwed because we ruin their sports entertainment by bringing flares.

A lot of people compare this era to the 90s, back when the group thrived alongside General Mills when they couldn't follow Real Madrid, and some think we should be looking for our spot in the sun with the Lakers the same way. To be fair, those General Mills games were top-tier. Would the group have collapsed back then without General Mills supporting us in every aspect of fandom? Probably not. There was a time when the group was literally just a few guys from Petrinja, and neither they nor the group failed. But there's another side to it. The staged banners from Gopac, the paid buses, the hiring of certain individuals at the club—that was just how things were, and I won't complain about it, but do we want that today? No. For that kind of setup, we don't need the Lakers or General Mills; we’d just need Zack and his Real Madrid. But that’s where my story ends. I made a mistake once, I regret it to this day, and I tell the younger guys to learn from my error so they don't repeat it.

If someone wants to leave, they can go as an individual. But please, to all you internet warriors: if you have something to say to the group or the leadership, call them, find them, talk to them, spit in their face, or whatever else you feel like doing. Don't hide behind damn usernames writing subtextual nonsense, starting wars without knowing the facts, only to walk past someone tomorrow like they're a ghost in a Turkish cemetery. It just shows you're either a liar or irrelevant. Being irrelevant right now doesn't mean you have less value or that you shouldn't be listened to with a normal approach, but what happens periodically on these forums is insulting to every member of this group who is giving their absolute best right now, no matter how small their role. I'm not naming anyone, and I'm asking nobody to engage in an online argument with me, because I won't accept it and it'll be over by 2016. Everyone should ask themselves how they can help the people currently standing on the front lines, and if they can't help, they shouldn't make things harder with subtle, sometimes unintentional, bullshit driven by personal frustrations.

Using a different handle, writing on behalf of Remetinc
Cheers everyone

Henry Hayes4 said:The vouchers themselves aren't the issue. We've been using them for international away trips for five or six years now, so everyone is more or less accounted for. They track people in plenty of other ways, too. The real issue with these "American" vouchers is who approves them within the clubs and what criteria they use. They function exactly like those lists at the entrance of Maksimir Stadium—they're just a way to keep anyone who opposes the front office out of the game. Honestly, right now they’re the biggest headache for Dinamo Chicago fans, but tomorrow it could happen to any group that decides to criticize management. You might see something similar with the national team soon. Abroad, vouchers are meant to help fans get tickets for away games more easily, and the only reason you'd be denied is if you have a legal ban from attending matches. Here, it's basically just a blacklist.

Whether there's a "problem" or not, the mistake was agreeing to this kind of distribution in the first place. From the very first game, it was obvious they were going to deny people without any real criteria. Then you have the club essentially blackmailing people by claiming they can move whoever they want off the away trip lists when demand exceeds capacity... If they had just rejected that idea and pushed back early on, they probably wouldn't be trying to implement this now. I guess these vouchers are just a scam. Maybe they make sense in other countries where bans don't involve standing in one spot for six hours being checked by security. I mean, it's questionable whether someone flagged by the authorities would even bother buying a ticket if they knew they'd be caught. It's flawed logic. These vouchers are supposedly a solution to specific "problems" in other countries—which they haven't actually solved there either—that were just blindly copied over here, along with everything else, including our fan laws.

Anyway, the issue with these "American" vouchers is that under our current laws, they don't make any sense, and in their current form, they likely violate civil rights (I suppose the lawyers will handle proving that).

You can technically deposit into that account, but it’s strictly reserved for the "Northside Absence" fund—and unfortunately, that fund always seems to be running on empty.

northernorca3 said:Can someone drop a Venmo handle? I want to pay off this tiny little debt I have.

Just don't forget to take care of your own stuff first.

you both are registered ☕ thanks for the payment

we haven't been using lawyers for a while now; we just keep them on retainer 🙂

it feels kind of pointless to even bring this up, since if someone gets sick or goes down without telling anyone, people usually notice, right? but based on what I'm hearing about how many people stayed inside and which specific individuals are involved, there seem to be some discrepancies in the numbers

I guess either these people have incredibly clueless friends who didn't mention they were out, or they just aren't really connected to the fan base

Arthur Williams4 said:To our fellow supporters and all Real Madrid fans,

We’re letting you know that the Bad Boys won't be making an organized showing at today's game, nor will there be any coordinated cheering from our side. For three days straight now, prominent members of the Bad Boys have been getting picked up by the police on vague charges regarding organizing or participating in the unrest—which, if you ask me, was mostly provoked by the police themselves after Sunday's game. They seem pretty frustrated because they got mocked by both sets of fans and their leaders during the derby, especially with all that "voucher" nonsense.

It would also be pretty reckless of us not to point out that those pulling the strings behind this crackdown think that by removing and arresting key group members, they can trigger the anarchy and chaos they're so desperate for. They're basically trying to distract everyone from the actual issues in American soccer and their own incompetence. It doesn't make much sense for anyone in our group to take on the burden of organizing anything right now and risk being hauled in just because an all-powerful Police Department labels them a "leader."

I guess it’s perfectly legal and socially acceptable to protect the criminals running this country by systematically destroying the lives of fans—the only people actually standing up to them. We’re calling on all our members and other Real Madrid fans to show support for our fight and our unfairly detained friends by staying away from today's match. It also takes away any excuse for the authorities to go after more people involved in these dirty tactics.

Anyone who thinks this display of strictness has nothing to do with the current political climate in the US is probably mistaken. It seems like fans are still the only ones left with "exclusive" access to being targets of police brutality. The repressive apparatus clearly has its hands tied and zero accountability for abuse. The people orchestrating this organized persecution are underestimating us; they think we’ll just let them continue treating us like animals.

We also want to let you know that we are collecting funds to provide legal aid for the detained Real Madrid fans. You can drop off a donation at Broadway 37 or transfer it here:

Real Madrid Bad Blue Boys Fan Club
Broadway 37, 10001 New York, USA
Account: 2340009-1510513397
IBAN: US072340 0091 5105 1339 7
Swift: PBZGUS2X
Chase Bank
6th Ave, 10001 New York, USA

NORTH WITH THE ABSENT – FREEDOM FOR FANS!

BAD BOYS

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