Posts by velvetmarlin17

Look, there actually is a fix. 🙂

Let me tell you about my mom (she's 67). She was dealing with brutal arthritis in her fingers. Her hand joints were getting seriously deformed and the pain was constant. She tried everything—standard meds, holistic stuff, you name it—but nothing really moved the needle.

Two years ago, she started taking curcumin (lat. Curcuma Longa) along with a specific supplement. Total game changer. The pain is gone and the deformation has stopped progressing. Obviously, the damage already done to her joints and mobility is permanent, but that's life.

You can find the cheapest curcumin on eBay here:
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories

The supplement she uses isn't sold here in the States:
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Suppleme...eaflavins.html
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=art....c0.m270.l1313

Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune inflammatory disorder. These natural supplements actually work. 🙂

I want to share what happened with my mom (she's 67). She dealt with brutal arthritis in her finger joints. Her hand joints were getting deformed and the pain was just relentless. She tried everything—standard meds, alternative stuff, you name it—but nothing really moved the needle.

Two years ago, she started taking curcumin (Curcuma Long) along with a specific natural supplement. It worked perfectly. The joint pain is gone and the deformation has stopped progressing. Too bad the damage already done and the loss of mobility are permanent.

You can find the cheapest curcumin on eBay here:
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories

This supplement isn't available here in the US:
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Suppleme...eaflavins.html

Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune inflammatory disorder. These natural supplements actually work. 🙂

Angela Wright said:Look, man, we're talking about cancer and actual oncology here, and you're just an OT. This whole misunderstanding is on you because you clearly don't get the science. Cancer isn't just one single disease; it's a massive collection of biologically and cellularly distinct malignancies. There isn't some magic "natural" combo that can just wipe out a malignant cell regardless of its type and structure while simultaneously stopping all the mutations and divisions that make this job so hard. You need compounds that function as smart mechanisms to disrupt those specific systems. In that light, whether some trivial natural compound can be patented is totally irrelevant. What actually matters—what Big Pharma fights over and makes their billions on—is the patenting of complex compound cocktails.

Maybe try checking your ego at the door for once. And learn how to handle different perspectives.👎

Angela Wright said:I had no idea Vitamin A was a cancer cure. Can you actually back up any of those compounds with a study proving they treat cancer?

And who said every single thing on that list is being used against cancer? That list was just an answer to your previous question.

Putting words in my mouth isn't a great look.

Angela Wright said:I think you're contradicting yourself since you didn't actually name a single specific substance, even though Rachel Brooks63 and I both gave examples.

Vitamin A
Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Vitamin E
Vitamin K
Vitamin B-6
Vitamin B-12
EPA
DHA
CLA
GLA
Phytosterols
Phenolics
Polyphenols
Anthocyanins
EGCG
TMG
Silymarin
Echinacea
Curcuminoids
Ginkgoflavoneglycosides
Astragalus membrane
Panax ginseng
Green tea
L-arabinose
Diindolylmethane
Rhodiola rosea
Maitake d
L-glutathione
Coenzyme Q-10
Lipoic acid
Lycopene
Ellagic acid
Quercetin
Acetyl-L-carnitine
Resveratrol
Probiotic blend
Exclzyme enzymes
Lactoferrin
Piperine
Graviola
Cinnamon bark
Bilberry extract
beta 1,3 Glucan
Lutein
Luteolin
Zeaxanthin
n-Acetylcysteine
Fucoidan
Gymnema silv
Vinpocetine
protein whey Thiamin
Thiamin
riboflavin
niacin Folate
Folate
biotin
Pantothenic acid
L-carnosine
aloe vera
Trimethylglycine
bovine cartilage
Tocotrienols
Lecithin
Calcium-d-glucarate
MSM
Stevia leaf
IP6 inositol hexa
L-theanine same citrus
SAMe
Citrus bioflavonoids
Benfotiamine

and plenty more... 🙂

Some of these are just groups of compounds or biological sources.

Rachel Brooks63 said:This just isn't true.

Paclitaxel is a heavy hitter in oncology. It’s a taxane-based chemo drug that works by messing with cell division—specifically by stabilizing microtubules so the cancer cells can't split and multiply. Basically, it freezes them in place until they die. It’s been around the block since it was originally isolated from the bark of the Pacific yew tree. Nowadays, most of what we use comes from synthetic or semi-synthetic sources because, let's face it, nobody wants to strip entire forests just to treat tumors. The big players like Bristol Myers Squibb have been instrumental in its development and distribution. You'll mostly see it used for treating breast, ovarian, and lung cancers. It’s effective, sure, but it isn't exactly a walk in the park; the side effects can be brutal. Is it a miracle drug? Not really. Is it a staple in US cancer treatment protocols? Absolutely. Just another tool in the kit.

Paclitaxel (better known as Taxol, which you see popping up more and more lately as a cancer treatment) comes from a plant found only in the Pacific Northwest. Bristol Myers Squibb grabbed the patents on it and made a killing. If you actually bother to follow the links on this page, you'll see that a tiny biotech firm also developed a totally new, original, and innovative formulation based on paclitaxel—and they made a massive profit back in 2009, too.

Let me repeat myself: famous expert You can't patent a substance that comes straight from nature. Period.

Just discovered something new. Of course you can patent a substance. That’s how the pharmaceutical industry works. That's where the real money is. It's so massive that they even try to push dual-use compounds into the market.

Why does this actually matter? Simple: you can't fund massive clinical trials to prove something works if there's no huge profit margin waiting at the end. And let’s be real—there’s zero profit if anyone can just swoop in and copy the formula. So, instead of just being a setback, it's a total tragedy that countless natural compounds never get official drug status. That's exactly why you can't just get them prescribed by a doctor.

Angela Wright said:I think it’s possible, but let’s not make this harder than it needs to be—maybe list one of those natural substances you have in mind and back it up with some actual study data.
Take Myko-san, for example. They use mushrooms containing the AHCC (active hexose correlated compound) complex and/or beta 1,3 Glucan, which have been used in Japan for ages to treat malignant diseases. There are studies proving they actually work; their immunomodulatory effects are well-documented for both infections and cancer patients in clinical trials, in vivo animal studies, and even in vitro. Myko-san just patented the process and packaged it nicely, now selling doses at 50 $0.00/mo. 😉.
You can also find beta 1,3 Glucan (the same compound) offered by various other companies in different packaging and combinations, usually for a slightly lower price.
And people buy both like crazy.

We're talking about well-known polysaccharides here. You're bringing up beta 1,3 Glucan, which is a proven, highly useful immunostimulant—you can't copyright that. Whatever Myko-san protected isn't the original chemical formula of any famous polysaccharide. That's exactly why more manufacturers are flooding the market. If it weren't, it wouldn't be legal, right? See? That's why prices will keep dropping, just like every other supplement ever. Everyone wins. 🙂
As for Myko-san's patent, it could be a dozen different things. Maybe they protected a specific ratio of polysaccharides (the recipe)—that's always allowed. Or maybe it's just a Trade Mark. But they definitely didn't protect the natural chemical formula of a single compound. That’s impossible.

My point still stands.

Angela Wright said:I think we basically agree. I was just explaining what I consider to be "exact."

Glad we're on the same page. 🙂

Angela Wright said:Most stuff was patented years ago, and plenty of money has already been made off it.
Take this example—not from medicine or pharma, but from retail (though they overlap enough, so the logic holds):
Some smart guy in the US decided to check if the Coca-Cola bottle shape itself was patented. It wasn't. So he made his own version, and then Coca-Cola had to pay him massive amounts for infringing on his design. If you recall, we’re talking about those bottles with the white lettering.
In pharmacology, there’s this thing called generics. Once a patent expires, anyone can make a copy of the drug, which is often just as good but much cheaper. In oncology, it’s harder to pull off because companies usually hold patents long enough to develop and perfect a newer, better drug before the old one loses protection.

You can't protect a naturally occurring substance isn't possible to patent.
Your bottle design example isn't about a patent; it's about design protection. That's a completely different category that doesn't apply to chemical substances.

Angela Wright said:Medicine is an exact science within its professional boundaries, but it's not "exact" in the sense that knowledge and understanding are constantly expanding. I wouldn't agree with your speculation—that's more in the realm of alternative medicine. There's a hypothesis that eventually has to be proven through research and study—evidence-based.
Doctors learn for a lifetime, but not just from textbooks; they learn through practice.

Medicine isn't an exact science. Not even close.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_science

Angela Wright said:I explained that things aren't just that simple. It’s not true that a combination being patented has to be completely unknown. The issue isn't really about whether you can patent something; the real headache is proving it actually works, building up that evidence base, and getting through all those endless approval boards.
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Medicine is an exact science that’s constantly evolving. Forty years ago, we declared war on cancer. Today, we realize you can't fight cancer like it's one single thing—you have to tackle every specific malignancy and its unique subtypes individually.
And honestly, that misunderstanding right there is the biggest stumbling block.

There is no way you can protect a well-known natural substance from being copied.

Medicine isn't an exact science. In fact, medicine isn't even a hard science—it’s more like a mix of science, skill, and pure guesswork. I remember someone at a medical school lecture once saying: "We have bad news and really bad news. Bad news is that half of what we have told you is wrong. Really bad news is that we don't know which half."

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restlesslynx20 said:Unfortunately, we don't have much in the way of actual prevention here, despite all the talk. If you go to a doctor when you're at a stage that isn't cancer yet—just a "simple" growth—our doctors don't even react. They just schedule follow-ups for 3 or 6 months later, essentially waiting until the diagnosis hits: you have cancer. They could have just removed it while it was still a benign tumor. I'm speaking from experience.

Isn't that medical negligence? If it is, they should be prosecuted in court.

Take my father's case: appendicitis that went undiagnosed for a week. Four doctors on duty at the local hospital did absolutely nothing ("come back tomorrow"). No ultrasound, no stool tests, nothing. It ended in a rupture and sepsis. He had to undergo six surgeries over eight months and barely made it out alive. Seriously, appendicitis? In the 21st century?

The statistical distribution of white corners is just like professional soccer players. You can watch the top tier on TV, but you see the tragedy in person. 🙂

Angela Wright said:How can you say that?
Take Yondelis, for example. It treats sarcomas—rare tumors—really successfully, and it's based on lichen. The problem is it isn't registered here because big pharma sees zero profit selling a drug in a country where only a handful of people need it every year. Or look at Adriamycin; it's derived from a stream, for instance, and used for treating lymphoma and certain sarcomas.
I could go on all day.

My last post was pretty cynical, yeah. Europe isn't the class act they pretend to be (just look at British history). Why on earth would you think they're drastically better than Americans? They’re just more sophisticated about it.

Are you seriously suggesting it's possible to patent a well-known natural substance, grind through the massive cost of proving it works, and then hold an exclusive market monopoly for years just to recoup the investment? Not a chance. To get a patent, the compound has to be completely unknown. Because of that, hundreds of natural substances can't push through the clinical process, even though we know they work. If they were cheaper and safer, there wouldn't even be a debate. Instead, they get stuck without being able to be prescribed or gaining official drug status. That's a tragedy for a lot of people, especially cancer patients. To make matters worse, the white-coat crowd looks down on them. Medicine is a long way from being an exact science. Money flows (and massive egos follow) dictate everything.

Angela Wright said:It surprises me that Mom never had a PET-CT. These days, there are scans that can tell you exactly what's going on.

She actually did have a PET-CT. She did it in Austria (our insurance covered the cost). The whole abdominal cavity showed inflammation, but nothing specific enough to pinpoint a source. So, basically, zero answers.

Angela Wright said:Regarding the US, we probably shouldn't obsess over it, but from what I know, things are set up differently in the European Union—or at least they're working on it, especially regarding cancer. EMEA is a European organization run by top scientists and doctors who are right in the thick of it, not to mention ESMU, which has massive influence over how European policy handles cancer patients.

Well, alright. That’s a relief. I was starting to worry that money and power were just calling all the shots.
But hold on... why is it still practically impossible to prove that a drug is just some natural substance?

amberheron11 said:Sometimes I feel like it’s just a matter of time before one of them comes for me.
And preventive screenings... I don't know, maybe it's too early? I'm only 20, and my family isn't really thinking about this stuff right now.
With my grandpa being sick, having to explain how all this works to them is exhausting because I honestly don't even know where to start.
Now I'm sitting here feeling guilty because it feels like "I'm only looking out for myself."

Hm, sounds heavy. But look, the good news is that prevention works wonders. My advice? Go find some solid books on nutrition and fighting cancer.

Besides, plenty of studies show that lifestyle—diet, stress levels, staying positive—is a way bigger factor than people realize. Genetics plays a part, sure, but it's not everything. Take The China Study, for example. It showed that in China (which is pretty genetically consistent with the Han population), people living in rural areas have about a fourth of the risk of getting cancer compared to those in coastal urban cities. A huge reason for that is diet; since they're lower income, they eat tons of greens, which is incredibly healthy.

Angela Wright said:ruggedscout91, before I really dug into the details, I was pretty much on the same page as you.
Look, things aren't as black and white as you're making them out to be. I had a mother who tried treating her cancer using nothing but alternative methods, and obviously, the cancer came right back. Eventually, she decided to go with conventional medicine, and that was the only thing that actually moved the needle. She passed away in the end, but that wasn't because chemo killed her—it was because she had glioblastoma, a disease that’s basically a death sentence from day one. Chemo and radiation gave us more quality time together; alternative stuff gave us nothing.
I’m not saying I'm closed off to other options. Honestly, I'm still out here looking for someone who beat cancer using nothing but alternative methods—but they better have the medical records to prove the before and after. On the flip side, every single person I know who actually made it through? They stuck to conventional medicine.
The real issue is people's expectations. They don't get how complex and aggressive cancer actually is. There isn't some magic, one-size-fits-all fix for fighting this stuff.

So, you found it. Or rather, you found her. My mom (65) was rushed to the ER two years ago because her abdominal pain was getting out of control. The doctors saw something on the ultrasound, so they just went ahead and sliced her open. No prep work, no biopsy beforehand—nothing. They pulled out this massive tumor, but after running the tests, it turned out it wasn't even primary. They never actually found where the primary source was. Since the results didn't point toward chemo, they didn't bother applying any. Otherwise, they wouldn't have made things so complicated. Get moving!
Over the next few months, her markers shot up—they were right on the edge immediately after surgery. Various scans couldn't find a primary tumor. So, she started watching her diet and playing around with different supplements. Since then, those markers have been dropping steadily; now two are below the threshold and one is just hovering near it.

That's it. No chemo, no radiation. Just one giant, messy slaughterhouse. You want to see the marker results?

Yeah, she went down that rabbit hole with some "famous expert" pushing alternative therapies. Honestly? I think most of those people are just immoral. You’ve got some guy in Ljubljana selling overpriced water as if it's magic or something. $1000He’s dodging the question about what’s actually in that guide. I bet he's staying quiet because telling the truth would be bad for business. Fatal, really. 🙂

Angela Wright said:Big Pharma isn't actually the all-powerful monolith everyone makes it out to be. They’re stuck dealing with massive layers of regulation just to invent a single drug and prove it actually works and won't kill you. There are dozens of different, disconnected bureaucratic hurdles that have to be cleared before anything hits the market. Honestly, that’s exactly why so many effective treatments—things we already have scientific proof for—never even make it to the pharmacy shelves. Makes you wonder why it's so difficult, doesn't it?
Look, you don't really get any of this until you actually start digging into the heavy lifting. It only clicks once you dive deep into the actual material.

Look, I don't buy into conspiracy theories either. But I definitely believe in money and power. If you don't, you're just being naive. Power is what actually moves the needle and pushes things forward.
Ever wonder who actually runs the FDA? And more importantly, what was their actual background before they took over? Let me save you the trouble of searching on Google: they weren't spending decades working at universities. 🙂

ruggedscout91 said:Chemotherapy exists solely to line the pockets of Big Pharma. Its main job is just to crush the cancer enough to put it to sleep while nuking every other healthy cell in your body.
Once you stop treatment, the cancer comes back even stronger, having used all your own biological resources to build its defenses. It’s invisible to the host's immune system because the body thinks it's just normal tissue.

The day the pharmaceutical industry starts losing more money than they make on cancer will be the day they finally announce a totally free cure.
Personally, I know more people who died from the side effects of chemo—with their organs completely wrecked and poisoned—than from the actual cancer. People rarely die from cancer itself; they get killed by the doctors and their toxic drugs first.

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Exactly. You hit on two truths here:

1. Cancer is a massive industry pushing its own "solutions," regardless of whether they actually work.
Back in the '70s, Nixon himself declared a "war on cancer"—those were his literal words. Since then, the overall statistics haven't improved much (some techniques and treatments for specific types have evolved, but looking at the big picture, we're stuck). Every diagnosed patient in the US (even those with benign diagnoses) brings in over $100,000 for the industry. Multiply that by the number of patients—cancer is the second leading cause of death in the US. You see similar stats across the entire Western world.

2. Even though the "white coats" (great term, right? 🙂) list cancer as the cause of death on certificates, most people actually die from total systemic collapse rather than the tumor itself.
Because of terrible nutrition, the body burns out way before a tumor ever threatens a vital function (like hitting an artery or causing organ failure). Why is that? Always follow the money. There’s no massive profit in nutrition like there is in selling drugs and medical machinery, so nobody pushes it. That's why the white coats don't bother. Most of them don't even grasp the link between diet and cancer. Still, things are slowly starting to shift in that direction.

🙂

Angela Wright said:Nice.😍
Can you actually be specific about the diagnosis and what steps were taken? Honestly, I feel like we’re all just lacking some positive stories around here.
Honestly, I’m also a huge fan of d. S. Schreiber’s book. I’ve posted about it here before and gave it my seal of approval. It’s just a shame it wasn't around back when I actually needed it—it would've saved me so much wasted time and helped me stop spinning my wheels and focus on what actually matters.

There’s a ton of books out there about cancer and nutrition, but honestly, most of them are garbage. That’s why I rely on the Amazon.com rating system to gauge quality. If I stumble upon a book with reviews similar to the two I mentioned in my original post, that’s when I actually pick it up. In those reviews, you see countless people sharing how much these books actually helped them, while almost nobody complains that they didn't work. So why wouldn't you trust that? It's just twenty bucks. Most people have no clue about these resources or the fact that you can actually take matters into your own hands. They’re clueless. They just blindly trust whatever their doctor tells them, and that’s exactly how they end up becoming just another statistic. This is why forums like this are such a vital tool for staying educated. 🙂

My mom ended up in emergency surgery because of some abdominal pain. Not once did anyone even bring up the possibility of a tumor. They didn't even bother with a biopsy before cutting her open. Just went straight in. Total amateurs. The surgeon looked like he was barely thirty. They pulled out this massive tumor, but after running tests, it turns out it wasn't the primary one. The actual source? Never found. A few months after the surgery, her markers spiked like crazy. Right after everything went south, I started digging through medical texts and journals—my English is good enough to actually make sense of them. Mom eventually went over to Austria for a PET-CT scan, but they still couldn't locate the primary site. One oncologist actually told her she only had three months left to live. Honestly? I think that botched diagnosis cost her years of life right then and there.

Then she slowly started actually listening to me and watching what she eats. Because honestly, who knows better than a white-haired old lady? Nobody. I’m not going to sit here and lecture you on what’s good for you and what isn't. Go buy a book; there are plenty out there. Anything I say here would just be surface-level and useless anyway. On top of the diet, she’s taking a ton of supplements too. That part is huge. I usually grab everything through eBay. It’s easily the cheapest way to go—honestly, it's less than half the price of what you'll find in American grocery stores, especially for certain stuff. If you guys actually want the links, let me know.

Why aren't nutrition and supplements integrated into standard cancer protocols? It boils down to two things:
Proving a substance is actually a medicine costs a fortune—we're talking anywhere from $500 million to $1.2 billion. Big Pharma only bites if they're looking at a brand-new, patented invention. You can't patent something that just exists in nature. If anyone can manufacture a natural substance, why would a massive corporation sink billions into it just to have everyone else undercut them immediately? It’s financial suicide.
Look, there are tons of substances in food and supplements that actually help cancer patients. We aren't just talking about two or three things here—we’re talking hundreds. Each one plays a part, and some are massive contributors. Even better? A lot of them work synergistically. That means when you take them together, the effect is way stronger than if you just took them individually. It's basically 1+1 equals more than 2.

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Angela Wright said:velvetmarlin17, do you or someone you know actually have cancer?

Yeah, my mom. We've managed to keep things under control for two years now without any chemo or meds. Her markers have been steadily dropping. She feels great, but she still panics the second she feels even a little bit of pain. I mean, what's she expecting at 66? Pain is kind of part of the deal.🙂

Oncology is a massive business. In the US, the average cost to treat a single cancer patient—or rather, what the industry pulls in—is north of $100,000. That’s just a fact. Now, take that number and multiply it by the fact that cancer is the number two killer in America, right behind heart disease. You get the idea. Do you realize the kind of financial power we're talking about here? So, what do you honestly think "humanity" looks like during board meetings at Big Pharma megacorps? It doesn't exist. There is zero genuine compassion in those rooms. It’s all about corporate interests and hitting financial targets; anything else would be considered unprofessional. And let’s face it, you don't climb the ladder in those companies by being "unprofessional."

Chemo is insanely expensive. Let’s be real—it’s mostly because of drugs that are still under patent. Patents last about 20 years, and that’s where the money is. This entire industry is built on high margins, and they can't survive on stuff they can't patent. If anyone actually wants to understand how that works, let me know and I'll break it down. Here’s the deal: to get a patent, a substance has to be original. It can't have existed before. That means anything natural—no matter how well it actually works—can’t be patented. Once a drug isn't protected by a patent, everyone can sell it. At that point, profit margins drop to a standard 20-30%, which is nothing compared to the massive payouts they rake in from patented substances. Makes sense, right?

So, how exactly does some random oncologist—and yeah, I’m being provocative here—decide which treatment to push on their patients? That is, if they even have a choice to begin with. How much would it cost to break through that medical establishment and get the real info out there quickly? Time is money, right? And we all know nothing scares Big Pharma more than a patent expiration.

Look, I'll keep it brief: money is what drives and dictates oncology, not the patient's best interest. Most people realize that way too late—if they ever do.

A cure for cancer? There’s no magic pill for something this massive and complicated. But that doesn't mean a cure doesn't exist. Honestly, your strongest weapon against cancer is your own immune system. It all comes down to one thing: beefing up your immunity while simultaneously weakening the tumor. How? Diet, supplements, mindset, and exercise. The truth is, what you eat and how you think influences every single biological process in your body. People have no clue how much nutrition matters once they're fighting a tumor. The real tragedy is that most oncologists aren't any better equipped to help. They don't even hand out basic nutritional brochures. It’s a damn shame, but I get why it happens—Big Pharma isn't making any money off of that. When there's no profit involved, progress moves slow and stays in the shadows.

Real knowledge lives in high-quality books and pretty much nowhere else. Where else are you actually going to find anything worth reading?

This is easily the best starter book on the subject. I’ve read it myself, and honestly, I didn't get anything out of it.
Check out this book on Amazon.com. It looks pretty interesting if you have the time.
Check out her reviews on Amazon.com—you seriously, seriously, seriously rarely see ratings like these. 😲
Check this out on Amazon.com: Anticancer: New Insights and Viewpoints. Worth a look?
If you or someone close to you is dealing with cancer and you still haven't read this book after seeing this, you’re a complete idiot. To everyone else, excuse my language, but you're just wasting your time.

This book is just as good. (The US edition drops soon):
Check out this book on Amazon.com about beating cancer. Worth a look?
Check out what these people are saying, in chronological order starting from the most recent:
Check out this Amazon.com link on beating cancer. It’s worth a look.
So, this book actually saves lives—or at least keeps people around longer.

Final thought: if you actually get something out of this for your own health, then do the right thing and pass it on to someone else. 🙂