Might as well throw my two cents in here too... I only actually signed up for this thread because I can't stand the constant bullshit. Fuck, honestly, almost all the info out there regarding drugs is just built on pure ignorance, propaganda, and straight-up myths, it's enough to make me sick... though thank god there are a few people in here who actually know what they're talking about.
Anyone telling you that LSD or DMT messes with your brain is either straight-up clueless or just lying to your face... The only real danger with psychedelics is triggering a mental health issue if you're already genetically predisposed to it—which happens to a tiny, tiny fraction of people—or maybe some PTSD from a horrific trip, though that's pretty much avoidable if you actually prepare properly. Those "flashbacks" usually aren't even permanent, either. Honestly, this stuff almost never happens to anyone; I saw on Erowid that the odds of running into those issues are like 2 in 2,000...
There aren't any other physical dangers, period. Just deal with it... Your brain isn't going to bleed or develop holes in it. Go read some books or just scour the internet—hit up Erowid, MAPS, or Wikipedia... the biggest actual risk is just fucking things up for yourself while you're high (but that’s what trip sitters are for), though those "I can fly" suicide attempts are incredibly rare. The only thing I ever heard about was some guy in Ireland who jumped out a window on mushrooms back in 2004, which ended up fueling the prohibition movement over there...
MDMA has... some... Basically, you’re looking at the serotonin crash—that massive deficit that leaves you feeling like absolute shit with a brutal hangover and deep depression the next day... plus that whole "oxidizing" thing where your brain cells basically get fried because dopamine breakdown goes haywire once your serotonin levels bottom out and leave those receptors with nothing else to grab onto... But honestly, you can pretty much dodge or totally kill that misery by loading up on Vitamin C, a B-complex, 5HTP, and magnesium... you can pick all that stuff up anywhere, and it'll smooth out that nasty comedown perfectly...
Honestly, all that talk about Ecstasy absolutely nuking your brain is such a massive exaggeration... you'll see exactly what I mean if you just watch the movie in the link below...
The real killers here are dehydration, heatstroke, mixing it with booze, and that psychological hook you get from ecstasy... which isn't even really a thing with LSD or DMT (did I already mention that none of these stuff actually cause physical addiction?)...
Look, I’m not out here trying to push Ecstasy on anyone—honestly, I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten-foot pole... but hey, facts are facts.
Anyway, it’ll probably hit medical use soon... MAPS is already testing it to treat PTSD...
Yeah, I'm with you on the PCP... it's absolutely brutal...
Check this out—there's a killer documentary on Ecstasy here, which also shows just how far certain people will go to spin total bullshit to manipulate the masses.
🙏 🙏 Thank god someone finally knows what they're talking about. You've given me way too much to read here... 😘
Heh, I never understood why anyone would go to a party to dance and move, only to knock themselves out with anesthetics, or worse, end up pinned to the floor because they took too much...
Depression? You mean like, actually feeling depressed, or that "depression" where the drugs just absolutely wreck your body's chemistry...
Stopping breathing? That only happens if you go absolutely overboard... Nobody stops breathing from a standard dose of ketamine. As for that assault, you can blame briskranger2 (who I also totally agree with)... 👍 Just so we're clear... like I've said before, that stuff is straight-up lethal... the recreational dose is way too close to a fatal one for my liking...
Yeah... So, basically, Ketamine is a "dissociative"—if that’s even the right word for it—meaning it just rips your mind away from your body. You can get a similar vibe with massive doses of LSD or tryptamines when you hit that ego death stage, but with Ketamine, that separation is the whole damn point. A K-hole is just what happens when that feeling hits full throttle because you took way too much... total disconnection...
By the way, Ket isn't even a "real" psychedelic... it’s more like a dissociative that just happens to have some psychedelic properties thrown in there. Real psychedelics are stuff like LSD, LSA, Psilocybin, Mescaline, DMT, and all those other tryptamines—plus you've got Salvinorin A, which is its own beast entirely, a totally different breed of psychedelic altogether...
It’s a whole different story when people start using "psychedelics" as a catch-all term for everything from Ketamine and PCP to Muscimol, MDMA, DXM, and all those 2-CT-7 variants... even high doses of weed if you swallow it...
Unlike "real" psychedelics, ketamine builds up a massive psychological addiction, plus frequent use basically just fries your brain...
Word. 👍 LSD is pretty much the only decent "chemical" out there if you ask me... more like a "semi-chemical" since it’s just a slightly tweaked version of LSA, which is totally natural.
Michelle Cook83 said:Ecstasy, LSD, DMT, PCP... just a whole damn list of ways to lose your mind...🤣
Anyone telling you that LSD or DMT messes with your brain is either straight-up clueless or just lying to your face... The only real danger with psychedelics is triggering a mental health issue if you're already genetically predisposed to it—which happens to a tiny, tiny fraction of people—or maybe some PTSD from a horrific trip, though that's pretty much avoidable if you actually prepare properly. Those "flashbacks" usually aren't even permanent, either. Honestly, this stuff almost never happens to anyone; I saw on Erowid that the odds of running into those issues are like 2 in 2,000...
There aren't any other physical dangers, period. Just deal with it... Your brain isn't going to bleed or develop holes in it. Go read some books or just scour the internet—hit up Erowid, MAPS, or Wikipedia... the biggest actual risk is just fucking things up for yourself while you're high (but that’s what trip sitters are for), though those "I can fly" suicide attempts are incredibly rare. The only thing I ever heard about was some guy in Ireland who jumped out a window on mushrooms back in 2004, which ended up fueling the prohibition movement over there...
MDMA has... some... Basically, you’re looking at the serotonin crash—that massive deficit that leaves you feeling like absolute shit with a brutal hangover and deep depression the next day... plus that whole "oxidizing" thing where your brain cells basically get fried because dopamine breakdown goes haywire once your serotonin levels bottom out and leave those receptors with nothing else to grab onto... But honestly, you can pretty much dodge or totally kill that misery by loading up on Vitamin C, a B-complex, 5HTP, and magnesium... you can pick all that stuff up anywhere, and it'll smooth out that nasty comedown perfectly...
Honestly, all that talk about Ecstasy absolutely nuking your brain is such a massive exaggeration... you'll see exactly what I mean if you just watch the movie in the link below...
The real killers here are dehydration, heatstroke, mixing it with booze, and that psychological hook you get from ecstasy... which isn't even really a thing with LSD or DMT (did I already mention that none of these stuff actually cause physical addiction?)...
Look, I’m not out here trying to push Ecstasy on anyone—honestly, I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten-foot pole... but hey, facts are facts.
Anyway, it’ll probably hit medical use soon... MAPS is already testing it to treat PTSD...
Yeah, I'm with you on the PCP... it's absolutely brutal...
wanderingmaker8 said:It’s total bullshit that E destroys your brainpower...
The BBC recently aired this show...The e generation AT 40...So, they interviewed some of the original long-term E-a users and experts who basically tore through all those stupid myths surrounding ecstasy... Honestly, that whole massive panic over E-a back in the 90s was just your typical, classic reaction to something people didn't understand yet...
Sadly, the drug debate here in the States is still dominated by pure prejudice instead of actual science... since having an honest conversation about drugs is such a massive taboo, the American public will probably be waiting another century before they're ready to actually listen to a show like this.
Link to the show (22MB, requires a free account on the SendIt service)
Check this out—there's a killer documentary on Ecstasy here, which also shows just how far certain people will go to spin total bullshit to manipulate the masses.
vividmaker532 said:It’s honestly hilarious that in this country, the two most dangerous (in terms of consequences) and most pointless (in terms of effects) substances are nicotine and alcohol. And of course, those two are perfectly legal, while some psychedelics are branded as the most dangerous and heavy drugs, even though their physical harm has never actually been proven... Take LSD, for example; it works in such tiny doses—we're talking micrograms—that it literally can't be toxic or harmful to the body, because there isn't a single substance known to science that is toxic at such a minuscule dose...
I could sit here and try to debunk endless drug myths, but the truth is that most people (at least in our nation) have had their brains washed so thoroughly by the government and sheer ignorance that they aren't even interested in learning the truth... It's pathetic...
ps. Just to be clear, I'm not justifying drug use or saying everything is fine. I'm talking specifically about hallucinogenic psychedelics (psilocybin, mescaline, LSD, LSA, salvinorin A...) whose physical harm is absolutely zero compared to alcohol and nicotine.
And one more thing—when it comes to potential psychological damage from hallucinogens (bad trips, paranoia, etc.), that's entirely on the individual for being unprepared. Hallucinogens aren't toys; they are powerful tools for exploring consciousness that require several days of mental prep if you want the experience to actually be useful (if anyone cares, Google -> set & setting)
🙏 🙏 Thank god someone finally knows what they're talking about. You've given me way too much to read here... 😘
wanderingmaker8 said:@briskranger2: I know it exists, it just hasn't hit the club scene yet...
Heh, I never understood why anyone would go to a party to dance and move, only to knock themselves out with anesthetics, or worse, end up pinned to the floor because they took too much...
Anonymous said:Taking massive hits of ketamine will absolutely wreck you... we're talking hallucinations, deep depression, total memory loss, losing control of your body, delirium, and even respiratory failure that can actually kill you. It’s all over the club scene and rave circuits, and honestly, it's terrifying how often it gets used as a date rape drug too...
Depression? You mean like, actually feeling depressed, or that "depression" where the drugs just absolutely wreck your body's chemistry...
Stopping breathing? That only happens if you go absolutely overboard... Nobody stops breathing from a standard dose of ketamine. As for that assault, you can blame briskranger2 (who I also totally agree with)... 👍 Just so we're clear... like I've said before, that stuff is straight-up lethal... the recreational dose is way too close to a fatal one for my liking...
wanderingmaker8 said:People describe that sensation of dropping into a K-hole like they're completely detached from their own bodies, just totally lost in space and time, hovering right on that razor-thin edge between being conscious and blacking out... some people think it’s the ultimate high, while others get so terrified they swear off Ketamine forever...
Yeah... So, basically, Ketamine is a "dissociative"—if that’s even the right word for it—meaning it just rips your mind away from your body. You can get a similar vibe with massive doses of LSD or tryptamines when you hit that ego death stage, but with Ketamine, that separation is the whole damn point. A K-hole is just what happens when that feeling hits full throttle because you took way too much... total disconnection...
By the way, Ket isn't even a "real" psychedelic... it’s more like a dissociative that just happens to have some psychedelic properties thrown in there. Real psychedelics are stuff like LSD, LSA, Psilocybin, Mescaline, DMT, and all those other tryptamines—plus you've got Salvinorin A, which is its own beast entirely, a totally different breed of psychedelic altogether...
It’s a whole different story when people start using "psychedelics" as a catch-all term for everything from Ketamine and PCP to Muscimol, MDMA, DXM, and all those 2-CT-7 variants... even high doses of weed if you swallow it...
Unlike "real" psychedelics, ketamine builds up a massive psychological addiction, plus frequent use basically just fries your brain...
vividmaker532 said:Fuck, you're bringing all this synthetic chemistry into it, when native Americans have been using mescaline from cacti and psilocybin from mushrooms for thousands of years just for the hell of it... 😁
Word. 👍 LSD is pretty much the only decent "chemical" out there if you ask me... more like a "semi-chemical" since it’s just a slightly tweaked version of LSA, which is totally natural.