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Forgiveness in Spirituality · Jun 2, 2011

Susan Price30 said:
I doubt she would act that way (and who would?). They would be fighting to reclaim their home. That involves legal avenues and people like judges, prosecutors, and veterans...

That is what I wrote above—being released doesn't preclude (any kind of) action—fighting for justice or whatever else is necessary...

We are discussing spiritual insights and perspectives here, aren't we? We aren't talking about medical terms or the earthly trivialization and "explanation" of spiritual law from a "misguided perspective," so to speak.

So just forget it—the spiritual concept of forgiveness does not mean literal amnesia or some similar medical condition.

It means that for spiritual people, unwritten spiritual laws stand above written, secular ones (though it isn't a coincidence that the two often overlap, even if they don't always). Spiritually aware individuals keep their eyes on the big picture and the complete vision. Or at least—they should... that is the point.

Look, it’s obvious—that’s exactly the point. Where the fight for justice begins, forgiveness isn't even part of the conversation. If you're actually willing to just overlook an atrocity or an injustice, then you don't need any kind of restitution or settlement in the first place. So, when does this "forgiveness" supposedly kick in? Let's look at a practical example: say someone walks off with $1,000 of your money.
Option one: you forgive him and move on—immediately.
Here’s my take on a second option: you offer him forgiveness—you play the "hey, we all make mistakes" card to smooth things over—but you demand he pays you back. It’s a way of saying, "I'm moving past this, but don't think for a second I've forgotten what you owe me."

How can anyone claim to forgive someone while simultaneously fighting for justice? It sounds like a total contradiction. Doesn't one action effectively cancel out the other? If they don't, then how exactly does that work in practice?

And what happened to that whole "turn the other cheek" philosophy? How exactly is that supposed to be interpreted when things get this heavy?

Look, we are here to discuss spiritual insights and deep perceptions, aren't we? This isn't some clinical seminar where we take a profound spiritual law and strip its power away by trying to "explain" it through medical jargon or earthly trivialities. To view these truths through such a narrow, materialistic lens is, quite frankly, a misguided perspective.

Forget about it—it’s a spiritual concept. Forgiveness. It’s a heavy word, isn't it? Most people toss it around like it's some cheap trinket, but in reality, it’s one of the most difficult psychological hurdles a human being can face. It isn't about letting someone off the hook or pretending that what they did didn't happen—it's about refusing to let their mistakes continue to poison your own life. Think of it like carrying a hot coal with the intention of throwing it at someone else; you're the one getting burned while they just walk away. True forgiveness is dropping the coal. It's an act of self-preservation, plain and simple. We aren't talking about literal amnesia or some kind of clinical medical condition here.

Look, we’re discussing spiritual perspectives here, yet she insists on tethering everything to these mundane, earthly trivialities. It’s absurd. You know the principle: "as it is in heaven, so it is on earth." If there isn't a direct correlation between the two, then you aren't talking about theology anymore—you're drifting straight into the realm of science fiction. At least, that's how it looks to me.

So, what you’re saying is that for spiritual people, those unwritten divine laws carry more weight than any codified, secular legislation? It’s not a coincidence that the two often align, though they certainly don't always walk hand in hand. Those who are truly spiritually awakened keep their eyes fixed on the big picture—the entire landscape at once. Or at least, they ought to be. That is the heart of the matter.

Listen to this: spiritual types end up in courtrooms all the time. I honestly don't get how they claim their "spiritual laws" hold more weight than the actual legal system. If that were true, they’d be living by those higher principles instead of playing the secular game. It doesn't add up. How can someone claim to follow a divine code in theory, but then switch to a narrow, frog-eye perspective the second they have to actually act? They preach one thing and practice the exact opposite. How do you even make sense of that level of hypocrisy?

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Forgiveness in Spirituality · Jun 2, 2011

Susan Price30 said:that's how many people think 😁- but after that (after the release), something else always follows, and bit by bit, we reach the end of science and knowledge. 🙂
there is a specific action that follows, self-protection, learning lessons from the experience, etc., etc.

otherwise, you could say Christians are just doormats used to wipe the floor with (some people actually think that's what they are 🤣) -but neither was Jesus like that, nor was His teaching. By the way, Jesus had an incredibly authoritative presence and demeanor; He wasn't some teenage kid or an exhausted, anemic 'guru' floating in mid-air (all respect to the gurus who actually do that, lol).
Jesus was charismatic, physically striking, possessed incredible energy, etc., etc.

Fine, let's set Jesus and His charisma aside for a moment. I’m not saying we shouldn't strive for ideals, but right now, those ideals are completely impractical in day-to-day life. After all, where does evil exist if not within our own minds? If every single person on this planet stopped dwelling on evil, evil would cease to manifest in the world. That should be obvious even to you.
So, let's drop the theories and look at reality. Real-world practice shows that at our current stage of development, we might be capable of forgiving, but we are absolutely incapable of forgetting.
For instance, if someone kicked you out of your house onto the street right this second, what would you do? Would you just forgive them, forget the whole thing, and move on with your life sleeping in public parks and doing calisthenics alongside the local homeless population?
I highly doubt anyone would act that way (and frankly, who would?). Instead, you would fight to reclaim your home. That involves legal channels and professionals like judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys. Aside from you, none of those people are operating under a philosophy of forgiveness and forgetting, because to forgive and forget would mean moving forward as if the harm was never done in the first place.
In short, we achieve quite a lot simply by reaching the point where we can forgive, provided that the person who harmed us has been adequately punished. Or maybe even if they haven't. But forgetting? That is impossible. Unless, eventually, we all succumb to something like dementia.🙂

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Forgiveness in Spirituality · Jun 2, 2011

Does forgiveness actually require forgetting? It sounds poetic, but let’s be real: it’s impossible in practice, unless we’re talking about trivial nonsense. There is a massive difference between forgiving someone because they failed to pay you back twenty bucks—which, let’s face it, is a stretch anyway since you’ll definitely remember it the next time they ask for a loan $33—and something far more grave. Forgiving someone like Ratko Mercer while simultaneously "forgetting" his atrocities is a different beast entirely. To forgive and forget implies acting as if the offense never even occurred. Our entire legal system is built on the exact opposite principle. If we operated under that logic, no one would ever face justice for any crime, let alone a massacre. We would simply shrug, forgive, and move on. And we all know that's a lie; true forgetting is an impossibility.

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