Posts by Amanda Kelly

briskhound76 said:...saying Felipe Massa is a better driver than Mark Webber is just plain ridiculous...

Who actually said that? Where are you even finding this stuff?

stormybadger8 said:Mass was just seconds away from taking the title.🙂 😁
Webber is never going to be elite. Sure, he might hold his own in a scrap, but he’s definitely going to screw something up eventually.☕

I love this level of clarity.
I’d never actually put that in writing. I’m too subjective for my own good, and honestly, I try to act like I have some class.

As for Webber, his biggest issue is that he does way more damage to everyone else than he does to himself. Honestly? He’s just dead weight to me.

Joshua Newman2 said:Maybe he’ll write it down, maybe he won't—honestly, it wouldn't matter. Mass is such a step down from Alonso that this whole issue just disappears. In my opinion, they should just swap Webber and Mass for next season. Make Vettel the clear number one, and let Ferrari rely on the chassis to carry them to the constructors' title.

Don't even go there! I wouldn't trade Mass for ten thousand Webbers.
There you have it. Just take it and run.

stormybadger8 said:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85320

Interesting. Either Charlie is lying just to save face, or Ferrari is lying to pretend Alonso isn't making them look like fools.🤣

Mostly it’s just nonsense and bad vibes. A total circus.☕

Don't be naive enough to trust Ferrari. They're just a bunch of incompetent clowns playing circus with a top-tier racing team.
I thought you were a serious person, but apparently, you think Charlie is the golden boy.

stormybadger8 said:Hamilton completely tanked the entire crew's hard work. I don't get why he didn't even bother protesting the officials' decision. 🙂 Well, looks like we've run out of things to talk about. 😢

He’ll probably take offense if you call him a crybaby... what's the word?

mistybear87 said:I don't know. Honestly, they should have acted immediately instead of waiting until the third warning. If I were calling the shots, I would’ve handed out a stop-and-go penalty after the second warning rather than just a DT.☕

I'm right there with you on this one.
But that’s the core issue I’ve been bringing up—it breeds doubt. With the timing we saw during the race, even if everything Charlie W. did was technically by the book, I still have every reason to be suspicious.

redheron12 said:It’s just another scandal meant to distract from how bad Ferrari actually is—total chaos and zero organization within the team. The new exhaust design is a joke, nobody knows who's really in charge whether it's Domenicalli or Alonso, and Massa is clearly fed up with Alonso acting like his boss... all this after everything we were promised at the start of the season.

You're exaggerating.
Ferrari is consistently at least third when you look at race pace (especially considering Lewis and Alonso, since Red Bull is always ahead).
On tracks that suit them better, they actually had a shot at the top spot.
The real issue is their qualifying. When you have a clear track ahead of you, you drive a lot faster.

Even at Indianapolis, once they finally had clean air, the Ferrari guys put up some great laps. Just look at the best laps from Indianapolis:

http://www.formula1.com/results/seas...test_laps.html

Alonso’s best lap is a full second faster than Massa’s, a second and a half faster than Webber! And he's two seconds ahead of Lewis.

mistybear87 said:So, if I’m reading this right, if Charlie decides there isn't enough proof that a driver actually broke the rules—like cutting a chicane or gaining an unfair advantage—the whole thing just gets pushed to a post-race investigation.

In this case, Ferrari really screwed up. If they had just told Charlie straight away that they thought everything was legal—that Kubica essentially shoved Alonso off the track while they were side-by-side—maybe Charlie would have just kept quiet after the first warning and waited for the post-race review.

But no, they told them immediately that it was crystal clear (meaning Alonso was at fault).
Those guys are pros. They think they see everything instantly, whereas it took me watching the replay dozens of times just to be sure of what I saw.
It's pretty obvious they made their call before even doing a thorough, multi-angle review.

Do you honestly believe that a Ferrari intervention (like what we just talked about) would have changed anything?

Mark Ruiz8 said:If they actually got a heads-up, then who cares.
As for Massa, I'm pretty disappointed with his performance this season in general.

It wasn't "them" notifying them. At least according to what's being said, Charlie W. told him it’d be better to just let him through so the stewards wouldn't even bother looking at the "incident."

Since the stewards clearly did look at it, they handed down a decision that screwed over Alonso.
Does anyone know where I can find the official report? Which specific rule did they use to penalize Alonso?
And is it possible the stewards were feeling the pressure from Charlie W.?
Also, why was it ignored that Kubica and Alonso were neck-and-neck in that corner? Pushing Alonso off the track didn't help him; it just hurt him.
What exactly did he gain from it? Kubica had practically already been overtaken.

Total robbery by Charlie W.! 👎

Michael Lee4 said:... If those idiots on the pit wall had even a shred of sense, they would've told him right then. He would've let him go immediately after the chicane, or at the latest, caught him on the next lap, and that's that...

First off, we don't have access to the exact timing of their radio chatter or how the whole situation actually unfolded.
Until we see that, your take on this just isn't fair.

And do you honestly believe that people who do this for a living—actual professionals—are really as clueless as you're making them out to be?
Do you seriously think you or I know more than they do?

Joshua Newman2 said:Look, this whole thing misses the point entirely. It’s common sense: if you try to overtake by cutting the corner, you have to give the space back. If they thought Kubica made an illegal move, they should have just lodged a formal protest with the stewards and let them hand out a penalty. Instead, they decided to balance out Kubica's mistake by letting Alonso get away with his own. Since when did we start letting drivers play judge and jury on the track, trying to math out their way through penalties? At the end of the day, when someone with actual authority tells you three times that you messed up and need to yield—and promises you won't be penalized if you do—it's just plain stupid to ignore them and then act shocked when you actually get hit with a penalty. 🤷

I'm only halfway with you on that one.
What you're saying would be the pragmatic move. Just tie your horse up wherever the boss tells you to.

Look, now that everything has finally settled down and a few days have passed, I’ve been sitting around chewing over the whole situation. I've been talking it through with other racing fans, too, and...
Trust me, I’m actually glad things played out exactly the way they did. It was a reality check. Everyone finally showed their true colors.

Neither Ferrari nor Alonso are to blame here—or at least, nothing they did is worth my breath to complain about.

Alonso 👍
Ferrari. 👍
Race leadership. 👎
Kubica 🙂

hollowgull5 said:driving straight before hitting the turn counts as the same thing 🙄

Does a corner even count as part of the track?
Or are there some special rules just for turns?

And sorry, one quick correction—we aren't talking about entering the corner, we're talking about driving through it, where they were actually neck and neck!

Michael Lee4 said:I don't recall. Refresh my memory... and what does that have to do with Fernando Alonso?

It’s the exact same scenario, except the Germans were neck and neck back then, whereas this "duo" of ours is stuck mid-corner.
Michael Schumacher still left a little room for Sebastian Vettel—not much, but enough. If he hadn't, it would've been an illegal move.

Michael Lee4 said:Give me a break... It's like Robert Kubica had to leave him an opening, not just space. Or maybe if Fernando Alonso had tried to pass him on the other side, he would've just ended up getting run over like Kubica did. This isn't "defending a position." If he actually outpaced him, fine. But this? No way. You either brake and wait for a real shot, or you passed him illegally. End of story.

What about when Michael Schumacher was overtaking Sebastian Vettel?

Michael Lee4 said:Actually, that's not how it went down. The FIA gave Ferrari three separate warnings to have Alonso give the position back without facing a penalty. It wasn't until after the third notice that they finally slapped him with one—which just happened to conveniently line up perfectly with the SC. In short, who gives a damn?

There’s a bit of a problem when you look at this incident, though. People are letting their personal grudge against one of the drivers—or maybe the whole team—cloud the actual facts.
I honestly think that having so many different players involved just muddies the water. It makes it impossible to look at the situation objectively when everyone has their own skin in the game.

If you guys feel like picking this apart a little longer, here’s what I’ve got.
Look, if I’ve already managed to get on everyone's nerves with my constant complaining, just skip the rest.

There’s a massive difference between the Kubica-Alonso situation at Indianapolis and all those other cases you guys keep linking to.

Robert Kubica wasn't exactly playing defense there!
Defensive driving is justified. It’s the only real solution when you've got a rival breathing down your neck, whether they're right on your bumper or just trying to find a gap.

Alonso's overtake was actually pretty impressive. On the outside.It’s not like that mess where Lewis was fighting Kimi on the inside. That's a crucial distinction. Alonso driving on the outside doesn't cause any issues or get in Robert Kubica's way at all since he's holding the inside line.
In this scenario, Alonso dove into that first sharp left-hander—the 90-degree one—side-by-side with Kubica. They were basically bumper to bumper at the entry.
In a situation like that, Robert Kubica should have given him some breathing room. Instead, he didn't leave any space at all—he practically shoved him off the track. Honestly, Kubica saw he was done for; if he hadn't acted, he would've been swallowed up the second he exited, so he made the call to force Fernando Alonso out.
That was a dirty move, plain and simple. It wasn't just taking the racing line; it was cheap.
If you're running side-by-side, you've got to leave enough room for the other guy.Look, that corner is part of the track, and there was plenty of room for both of them. It wasn't some reckless move; it was just a rational choice by Kubičin.
What if there was just a wall right there on the right? Would anything actually change?

Feel free to watch the video, if you even have the energy left for it.

Joshua Newman2 said:Come on, Amanda Kelly, don't tell me you haven't heard of that rule? Forget the fanboy nonsense—have you really watched this much NASCAR all these years and never seen a driver get penalized for cutting a chicane and not giving the position back? I doubt there's a single NASCAR fan out there who doesn't know how this works.

I guess I have to quote myself for you, Michael Lee4, and the rest of you (check post 360):

Roger Wright94 said:Regarding the pass on Robert Kubica, it’s fine. And the penalty makes sense because it’s clearly about principle (fingers crossed they actually stick to that standard), as well as how Fernando Alonso handled it.

Joshua Newman2 said:I just watched the replay of Alonso overtaking Kubica... neither he nor his guys at Ferrari have any sense left. We see stuff like this all the time where the driver who makes the move through the chicane immediately gives the spot back before the next turn. I don't get what they were drinking. 🤷Ferrari is starting to look as amateurish as Red Bull.

Then why don't you find me even one example of those "countless" situations?
If there really are as many as you claim, finding ten of them shouldn't be much of a struggle for you.

hollowgull5 said:😂😂😂🤣
You're full of it. 👎
If Kobayashi holding up a driver (basically being unable to overtake him) meant Lewis Hamilton ended up back in the same spot he was last race, and you only started complaining because the penalty didn't actually affect Hamilton, then

You're being rude, as usual.
And confusing. What are you even trying to get at? Explain yourself; not everyone follows your line of thinking.

redheron12 said:It’s all about perception.

... But honestly, let's be real—he was facing the exact same track conditions as Lewis. That's precisely why we ended up dropping the title at the end.

That part is debatable. We aren't seeing eye to eye there.

In my opinion, things started going south right after Lewis had that killer start to the season.
When you say "conditions," I assume you're just talking about the car itself. But what about the garage?

stormybadger8 said:No way, it's a fact, not just some promise.☕

Man, he’s something else. A championship win in football will probably go straight to his head.
But regarding those starts? He's got a point. Ferrari has thrown away a massive amount of points on starts this season.