dustyowl29 said:But what does "victory" even look like? Is it just ousting Zelensky and installing some pro-Russian puppet regime that nobody outside of Moscow will ever recognize?
There is no such thing as victory here. If they had managed to topple the Ukrainian government at the very start, things would be looking a lot different right now. As it stands, they might grab the Donbas, but they’ll likely stall out somewhere halfway through—unless they decide to go nuclear on Ukraine, though I doubt they'd go that far...
If they settle for a chunk of territory and call it a win, it won't stay quiet for long. With Western backing, the Ukrainians are eventually going to try to take back what was lost—maybe even all of it. It'll be like those intense counter-offensives we see in history books.
I wouldn't bet on that. First, they grab a chunk of Eastern Ukraine and set up some pathetic little republic. Then comes the "peace talks," then a ceasefire, then a rigged referendum in those garbage republics (just like what happened in Crimea), and voilà—suddenly it's Russia.
Meanwhile, they'll launch another five or six Sarmat missiles toward Alaska, and anyone daring enough to touch Russia gets hit with a Sarmat. Think about it. You can attack the Luhansk Republic or the Donetsk Republic—those little joke states. But once it becomes officially Russia? I'm not so sure.
It might be a Russian victory, but it's a Pyrrhic one. They haven't pushed NATO away from their borders, nor have they gained any significant land, yet they've completely severed ties with the West. And what exactly is the benefit? What kind of connection do Russians even have with Indians, Chinese, or Mongols?