Drew Booth60 said:I honestly don't know how Russia is going to dodge this defeat—it feels like their options are getting pretty slim.
1. Going for full mobilization and officially declaring war is a massive gamble. It carries the risk of devastating military and economic losses, and if things don't go exactly according to plan, it could trigger an uprising right there in Russia. Even if they "win," it would be a total Pyrrhic victory—you’d end up with a nation completely gutted, ruled by a population that can't stand you. Using Chechnya as an example here is a bit of a stretch, though, since that territory and its people are smaller than Canada.
2. Dropping tactical nukes is an even worse move. They’d turn the entire world against them instantly, and let’s face it, nobody back home would be celebrating that choice either—it would basically be the end for Putin. Realistically, nuclear weapons are only used when you're being invaded on your own soil and your very survival is at stake. In that scenario, you might actually have the support of your people and some understanding from the global community. But this war in Ukraine isn't that situation—even if the USA were to jump in directly, which they won't. The only real sticking point is Crimea, since Russia views it as theirs. The question is whether they'll view an attempt to take it as an attack on Russia itself, rather than just part of the broader context of the war in Ukraine.
3. Partial mobilization combined with leaning much harder on air superiority. Basically, creating a stalemate and then hunkering down through the winter to offer negotiations—hoping that Western pressure, specifically from Europe, will force Ukraine into some kind of compromise. If that doesn't work to stop the Ukrainian military, then we're looking at a classic Russian defeat.
I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that Russia has any ace up its sleeve to flip the script, other than one of these three paths. The only outliers would be if Iranian drones start performing at least on par with Turkish tech, or if North Korea sends troops and China steps in with military aid. I wish the Americans would study how modern warfare actually works—they'd see that the USA would never launch an invasion against a country like Ukraine without at least half a million soldiers and a massive coalition of allies. You wouldn't try to take Kyiv with just 30,000 troops and just hope Ukraine surrenders. Plus, the American military machine is miles ahead of the Russian one, and this war has made that crystal clear. If they had realized that the largest military alliance in the world was going to back a country comparable to Ukraine with such heavy weaponry, who knows? Would the USA have even risked an attack, or would they have likely just sent even more troops?
To be blunt, I think the only way they win this is through direct military help from China, North Korea, and Iran. Everything else—including mobilization—seems like a long shot.
The coming weeks will tell me if my assessment was totally off base.
Russia is facing a binary choice: they either call up a massive mobilization or they pull out of Ukraine entirely. You simply cannot sustain a war against a nation of 40 million people that is being backed by NATO and bolstered by expeditionary forces. Sure, the Russians have plenty of manpower sitting in reserve, but the real question is whether they actually have the stomach to commit to a total war.
Drew Booth60 said:I honestly don't know how Russia is going to dodge this defeat—it feels like their options are getting pretty slim.
1. Going for full mobilization and officially declaring war is a massive gamble. It carries the risk of devastating military and economic losses, and if things don't go exactly according to plan, it could trigger an uprising right there in Russia. Even if they "win," it would be a total Pyrrhic victory—you’d end up with a nation completely gutted, ruled by a population that can't stand you. Using Chechnya as an example here is a bit of a stretch, though, since that territory and its people are smaller than Canada.
2. Dropping tactical nukes is an even worse move. They’d turn the entire world against them instantly, and let’s face it, nobody back home would be celebrating that choice either—it would basically be the end for Putin. Realistically, nuclear weapons are only used when you're being invaded on your own soil and your very survival is at stake. In that scenario, you might actually have the support of your people and some understanding from the global community. But this war in Ukraine isn't that situation—even if the USA were to jump in directly, which they won't. The only real sticking point is Crimea, since Russia views it as theirs. The question is whether they'll view an attempt to take it as an attack on Russia itself, rather than just part of the broader context of the war in Ukraine.
3. Partial mobilization combined with leaning much harder on air superiority. Basically, creating a stalemate and then hunkering down through the winter to offer negotiations—hoping that Western pressure, specifically from Europe, will force Ukraine into some kind of compromise. If that doesn't work to stop the Ukrainian military, then we're looking at a classic Russian defeat.
I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that Russia has any ace up its sleeve to flip the script, other than one of these three paths. The only outliers would be if Iranian drones start performing at least on par with Turkish tech, or if North Korea sends troops and China steps in with military aid. I wish the Americans would study how modern warfare actually works—they'd see that the USA would never launch an invasion against a country like Ukraine without at least half a million soldiers and a massive coalition of allies. You wouldn't try to take Kyiv with just 30,000 troops and just hope Ukraine surrenders. Plus, the American military machine is miles ahead of the Russian one, and this war has made that crystal clear. If they had realized that the largest military alliance in the world was going to back a country comparable to Ukraine with such heavy weaponry, who knows? Would the USA have even risked an attack, or would they have likely just sent even more troops?
To be blunt, I think the only way they win this is through direct military help from China, North Korea, and Iran. Everything else—including mobilization—seems like a long shot.
The coming weeks will tell me if my assessment was totally off base.
The real question here is whether Russia actually considers Crimea their territory, or if this whole thing is just one massive bluff.
Drew Booth60 said:I honestly don't know how Russia is going to dodge this defeat—it feels like their options are getting pretty slim.
1. Going for full mobilization and officially declaring war is a massive gamble. It carries the risk of devastating military and economic losses, and if things don't go exactly according to plan, it could trigger an uprising right there in Russia. Even if they "win," it would be a total Pyrrhic victory—you’d end up with a nation completely gutted, ruled by a population that can't stand you. Using Chechnya as an example here is a bit of a stretch, though, since that territory and its people are smaller than Canada.
2. Dropping tactical nukes is an even worse move. They’d turn the entire world against them instantly, and let’s face it, nobody back home would be celebrating that choice either—it would basically be the end for Putin. Realistically, nuclear weapons are only used when you're being invaded on your own soil and your very survival is at stake. In that scenario, you might actually have the support of your people and some understanding from the global community. But this war in Ukraine isn't that situation—even if the USA were to jump in directly, which they won't. The only real sticking point is Crimea, since Russia views it as theirs. The question is whether they'll view an attempt to take it as an attack on Russia itself, rather than just part of the broader context of the war in Ukraine.
3. Partial mobilization combined with leaning much harder on air superiority. Basically, creating a stalemate and then hunkering down through the winter to offer negotiations—hoping that Western pressure, specifically from Europe, will force Ukraine into some kind of compromise. If that doesn't work to stop the Ukrainian military, then we're looking at a classic Russian defeat.
I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that Russia has any ace up its sleeve to flip the script, other than one of these three paths. The only outliers would be if Iranian drones start performing at least on par with Turkish tech, or if North Korea sends troops and China steps in with military aid. I wish the Americans would study how modern warfare actually works—they'd see that the USA would never launch an invasion against a country like Ukraine without at least half a million soldiers and a massive coalition of allies. You wouldn't try to take Kyiv with just 30,000 troops and just hope Ukraine surrenders. Plus, the American military machine is miles ahead of the Russian one, and this war has made that crystal clear. If they had realized that the largest military alliance in the world was going to back a country comparable to Ukraine with such heavy weaponry, who knows? Would the USA have even risked an attack, or would they have likely just sent even more troops?
To be blunt, I think the only way they win this is through direct military help from China, North Korea, and Iran. Everything else—including mobilization—seems like a long shot.
The coming weeks will tell me if my assessment was totally off base.
That’s just heavy sci-fi. Honestly, the idea that any of these countries would actually screw up that badly seems totally unbelievable to me.
Nathan Thomas12 said:Targeting civilian infrastructure is a straight-up violation of the Geneva Conventions. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if those ATACMS strikes leave everything within 300 kilometers of the border without power or water. For context, Moscow is about 450 kilometers from the border.
Right, and how far is Hiroshima from Geneva? I'd say at least ten times further than, say, Dresden. This war is nowhere near that stage yet, and besides, I'm not even sure if a power plant counts as a legitimate civilian target.
It also blows my mind that Ukraine—which emerged from the USSR as a massive, vital republic—doesn't have a single missile system capable of reaching Moscow.