Philosophy of Freedom
in Close to Politics ·
@driftingjackal5
Because money should serve as the yardstick for the value of social output, which is ultimately just a measure of the quality of work produced by the individuals making up that society.
@IC
You pay taxes to access those specific services—the goods of civilization—that actually keep you alive within that society. We’re talking healthcare, water, energy; things that ought to be public goods, much like our roads. But let’s not call them exclusively public goods. If I build my own road on my own land, that's my road. If I fund my own medical clinic with my own cash and hire the staff, then that's a private venture, not a government one, and so on.
What would happen if a doctor had to lose his dignity cleaning toilets? It might do some good for certain people—including politicians—to come down from the clouds they live in. I won't even mention the average resident of a big city like Chicago or New York, who can be quite the pampered, lazy type.
The category of an "uneducated manual laborer" doesn't exist. In fact, there is no such thing as a "manual laborer" by definition. Everyone finds fulfillment in creating something for someone else, whether it's a tangible good or a service. Nobody engages in physical labor without a result—like trying to manually bail out the ocean... that's just pure masochism with zero progress.
Right now, all those people you label as "uneducated manual laborers" are actually just unlucky souls who couldn't find a better path because the system completely failed them.
Not everyone is built for school under the current model, which is essentially a mindless, rote-learning grind. People learn through example and practice. There shouldn't be any standardization in education; instead, we need an individual approach. You have to tap into a person's ambition—what they actually *want* to be—and then educate them toward that goal.
The current educational system has chewed up and spat out far too many people. Professors don't actually care about you because their salary isn't tied to your success in life; it's tied to how many hours they clock in. Those who don't earn a diploma often have no other choice, simply because nobody taught them they had one, and their parents—often stuck in a subservient mindset—didn't teach them either.
So, calling someone a "manual laborer" as a vocation is, to me, immoral.
The people that the "distinguished" urbanites and elites look down upon because they are dirty, uneducated, unshaven, or perhaps sweaty from physical toil, are actually the most honest and big-hearted people at their core. They have more heart than the doctors, lawyers, economists, and the rest of the "respectable" class.
It is much easier to do business with someone "lower class"—meaning someone unpretentious and straightforward—because they follow a simple pattern: I help you, you help me. It's nothing like dealing with the elite, who are always looking for ways to exploit someone or squeeze the most out of the least investment. That's your typical high-society type (I'm actually doing business with one right now, and it's certainly not the first or last time).
No, I am not going to force anyone to do anything. Can you actually read?
I asked why people donate blood, yet nobody forces them to do it.
I asked why people volunteer to shovel snow, yet nobody forces them to do it.
Can you answer those questions, or are you just messing with me?
Because money should serve as the yardstick for the value of social output, which is ultimately just a measure of the quality of work produced by the individuals making up that society.
@IC
You pay taxes to access those specific services—the goods of civilization—that actually keep you alive within that society. We’re talking healthcare, water, energy; things that ought to be public goods, much like our roads. But let’s not call them exclusively public goods. If I build my own road on my own land, that's my road. If I fund my own medical clinic with my own cash and hire the staff, then that's a private venture, not a government one, and so on.
What would happen if a doctor had to lose his dignity cleaning toilets? It might do some good for certain people—including politicians—to come down from the clouds they live in. I won't even mention the average resident of a big city like Chicago or New York, who can be quite the pampered, lazy type.
The category of an "uneducated manual laborer" doesn't exist. In fact, there is no such thing as a "manual laborer" by definition. Everyone finds fulfillment in creating something for someone else, whether it's a tangible good or a service. Nobody engages in physical labor without a result—like trying to manually bail out the ocean... that's just pure masochism with zero progress.
Right now, all those people you label as "uneducated manual laborers" are actually just unlucky souls who couldn't find a better path because the system completely failed them.
Not everyone is built for school under the current model, which is essentially a mindless, rote-learning grind. People learn through example and practice. There shouldn't be any standardization in education; instead, we need an individual approach. You have to tap into a person's ambition—what they actually *want* to be—and then educate them toward that goal.
The current educational system has chewed up and spat out far too many people. Professors don't actually care about you because their salary isn't tied to your success in life; it's tied to how many hours they clock in. Those who don't earn a diploma often have no other choice, simply because nobody taught them they had one, and their parents—often stuck in a subservient mindset—didn't teach them either.
So, calling someone a "manual laborer" as a vocation is, to me, immoral.
The people that the "distinguished" urbanites and elites look down upon because they are dirty, uneducated, unshaven, or perhaps sweaty from physical toil, are actually the most honest and big-hearted people at their core. They have more heart than the doctors, lawyers, economists, and the rest of the "respectable" class.
It is much easier to do business with someone "lower class"—meaning someone unpretentious and straightforward—because they follow a simple pattern: I help you, you help me. It's nothing like dealing with the elite, who are always looking for ways to exploit someone or squeeze the most out of the least investment. That's your typical high-society type (I'm actually doing business with one right now, and it's certainly not the first or last time).
Joshua Moore13 said:Are you kidding me?
You expect people to pull 50-100 hours of "community service" for free *after* they've already put in an eight-hour workday? And you're calling that "freedom of labor"?
No, I am not going to force anyone to do anything. Can you actually read?
I asked why people donate blood, yet nobody forces them to do it.
I asked why people volunteer to shovel snow, yet nobody forces them to do it.
Can you answer those questions, or are you just messing with me?
