Posts by stormyviper11

Jason Campbell70 said:So, then mister six tenths was back in California 2005 or maybe 2006, right? Coming out onto the main straight during the warm-up lap, he totally lost the rear end of the car and basically embarrassed himself in front of his own home crowd...

Man, plenty of guys have spun out during the warm-up lap. Off the top of my head, I can think of Prost and Coulthard, but there were definitely others... But seeing someone wreck it while heading out to the grid like di Grassi is actually pretty rare...

I’m left staring at two massive question marks after watching last night's qualifying and the race today:
1. why on earth was I staying up until 4 AM just to catch qualifying?
2. and why did I drag myself out of bed at 8 AM to watch the actual race?

😬
Look, Kobayashi was entertaining enough, but if I could have just slept through the whole thing comfortably, I probably would have...

Arthur Doyle70 said:😁 I didn't account for Newey's fragile design 😉 though I gotta admit he's improved in that department lately...

Fair point, but you can't really call Webber's car "fragile" when it's busy shoving rivals off the track before cruising to the finish line... 😁

Anyway, I'm heading to a buddy's birthday party later. Back in the day, that would have been my excuse to skip qualifying and the race entirely, but now my wife's tagging along, so there's no way I'm staying up late or dealing with a hangover tomorrow morning. 😳 Getting old...

Arthur Doyle70 said:What a politically correct answer... 😁 I’m pulling for both sides 🤣 😉

If there's a head-to-head showdown between them, who are you actually rooting for? You want them both to win? 😉

Nah, you're missing the point. The whole way this model works is that whoever racks up the most points over the next four races wins—basically, whichever side's chosen drivers perform better. And since you swap out drivers race by race, it changes things up constantly. So, honestly? I'm just rooting for these two to go 1-2 at the finish line, regardless of who takes the top spot, and then I'll just focus on whoever I've picked for the upcoming races to see if they can pull off a first or second place... 🙂

I'm pulling for Alonso and Vettel, mostly because I put my money on them for that Pitpass giveaway where the grand prize is one of those 1/8 scale Amalgamov models... 😁

Alguersuari just clocked in twelve seconds faster than the guy in second place. And that was in the rain!!! 🙏 🙏 🙏 This is how legends are born, man. The kid is an absolute beast, pulling off the exact same kind of magic Gilles did at Watkins Glen back in '79. I wouldn't be surprised if Damson builds a whole fan site dedicated to Jaime, or if Nigel Roebuck drops some legendary, high-octane column about it in the next issue of motorsport... 😬 🤣

Bird racing takes an insane amount of precision and skill, no doubt about it, but I’ll be honest... I respect those pilots just a hair less than oval track drivers because you just don't get that raw, door-to-door combat with other racers.

silvercobra68 said:aaaaaaaaaaa

You don't get it at all. Absolutely nothing.

what kind of car he'll be driving next season —I'm not even talking about the car, I'm talking about the personnel, for crying out loud.

Look, I am talking about the car. Back in 1995, Ferrari had one win and ten podiums. They were convincingly the third-best team, trailing quite a bit behind the top two, but every single one of their drivers scored more points individually than the fourth-place team did in total. So, jumping from being part of the top tier to becoming the third-string team is basically the exact same thing as Button's move from Brawn to McLaren this year... which isn't exactly being viewed as some insane move for a champion at his peak just looking for a new challenge...

And how people see Ferrari today before the arrival of the savior is like they were sitting at the bottom of the grid barely making it out of qualifying... ☕ Fundamentally speaking, things had already started falling into place after that rough start to the decade, and they just needed to keep that upward momentum going. If they had someone else as their lead driver, they probably would have pulled off a win every now and then, almost certainly, but the real question is whether they could actually turn that into a consistent thing.

Don't forget that back then, Ferrari was a much bigger professional beast to tackle. They had to break that whole curse of not winning titles and actually prove it could be done.
And I honestly don't doubt for a second that Ross Brawn knew exactly what he was getting into regarding the legacy and the sheer scale of the challenge, unlike that little amateur from Kerpen who, shortly after, stood on the podium and publicly wondered if that was even Ferrari's first double victory...
He was only lured into Maranello by the paycheck, and his entourage probably had their own agendas too...

silvercobra68 said:Let me disagree with you again, especially regarding Webber. You're saying Mark Webber has no brains? What do you mean by that? This season, he is perfectly demonstrating that he has both the brains and the speed, along with courage—not just bravado as you claim. Plus, he has the strongest mental game on the grid. Which driver could masterfully drive Silverstone after his team basically spat in his face? None. Mika Häkkinen was a composed driver with a strong head, but when things didn't go his way, he actually knew how to sit down and cry (like Monza '99). Webber doesn't sit there and cry; Webber breaks legs, gets back up, faces an entire team against him, and still wins races while fighting for a title. In terms of that kind of grit, only Piquet in '86 and '87 really compare—one win, one loss—just like Webber might if he takes it this year. Besides, he's the best of the five when it comes to damage control. Remember Alonso at Spa, when he should have been minimizing damage but instead spun out on his own (I'm not talking about the collision with Barrichello)? Or Silverstone—when he should have minimized damage, he inappropriately overtook Robert Kubica. If he wins the title, it will be because of Spa and Silverstone, not Turkey, Canada, or whatever else. In Canada, he lost two positions, but I'd rather lose two positions than have Lewis Hamilton run him over and both of them DNF. If he clinches it, it'll be thanks to Canada. As for Schumacher, whom you're citing as the best in this group, he's proving this year that the legend might be a myth. There aren't tires specially made for the German this year, no millions upon millions of kilometers of testing; in other words, the polished German is finally in the same pot as everyone else. There is no more preferential treatment. Under those conditions, even Barrichello might have won five titles—maybe six if he'd been the number one driver and someone like Fisichella was second. Get it? It's not about the completeness of the driver; it's about him driving in incomparably better conditions than the rest of the grid. So how can Alonso be worse than him? Tell me, how is Alonso worse than MS? Unless the criterion is just chronology. Alonso is the youngest world champion; he was winning back in 2003 when he was very green, and he wasn't any greener in 2005 when he masterfully drove his way to a title. Can Alonso's first title be compared to MS's first? Yes. Both drove for teams that had the second fastest car on the grid, both were clear number ones, and both faced opponents in cars that were technically faster but plagued by issues. And look how it ended. Alonso's title was as clean as it gets; MS's was as murky as it gets. I'm not talking about the controversial driving standards or nonsense; I'm talking about on-track behavior. Like at Silverstone, why on earth overtake during a pace lap? We haven't seen the full extent of Alonso's Ferrari stint yet, but in 2010, the Ferrari is the second fastest car, just like it was in 1996. So even 2010 is comparable. MS won three times in '96, but Alonso has already won four, and MS wasn't even in the title fight. Honestly, stormyviper11, you've still got plenty of time until 2020, right? Besides, even in wins, he's better: MS started his Ferrari stint with 19 wins, while Alonso is at 21. Two more wins! It's small, but it counts. Look, my friend, it's not all black and it's not all white. Light comes from different angles; sometimes gray looks black, and sometimes gray looks white. Sometimes, in heavy fog, you can't even tell what colors we're talking about—unless, of course, you're Nebelmeister. I'm waiting for the story about Nebelmeister who froze the sun. When is it coming? Give me something; I know a little about Nebelmeister, so I'd love for him to write something for a change, since Monteverdi isn't showing up.

I can't believe I actually have to get up and defend Schumacher here... Look, at least one of his titles with Ferrari—that 2003 run—was pure driver skill, not just because he was sitting in a rocket ship. And back in 2006, when he was going toe-to-toe with an equally elite driver like Alonso in essentially identical machinery, he only lost the title in the final race; it wasn't some total meltdown. So, there is no way in hell I'm buying into these arguments that try to downplay everything he accomplished over his career. I don't exactly love the guy, and honestly, I'm not losing any sleep seeing little Rosberg slap him around this year, because maybe it'll finally bring the myth surrounding him back down to earth. And that "earth" is still massive, whether you want to admit it or not. Will Alonso or Lewis Hamilton eventually overtake him in the history books? It’s possible; they both have the talent, the class, and the raw potential to pull it off. But right now, looking at the big picture, they aren't ahead of him—even if they might be better drivers today, or perhaps even since the start of their careers. I can't predict the future, and when judging where current drivers stand historically, I'm looking at what they've actually done, not what they might do someday...

With Webber, it’s a slightly different story. Yeah, acting like he’s all muscle and no brains is unfair, especially since he’s been driving pretty composed this year. Calculated? Not really, because in at least two crashes where he was partially to blame, he just got damn lucky that his car wasn't totaled so he could still scavenge points. Did he make mistakes? Of course. Bad starts, losing positions, those crashes I mentioned... He made them, it's just that they didn't hit him quite as hard as they did everyone else. At the end of the day, Webber is a late bloomer who spent his early years in Formula 1 failing to show any real extra class, only to suddenly find it now. He’s among the best this year, but looking at the whole picture—which was the whole point of my comparison to the last four champions—he's still nowhere near them.

As for Nebelmeister, I'll have to force myself to write something about him...

Paul Collins13 said:Joža's calling the shots, so I'm just here typing. Don't go getting mad at me if I mess something up by accident, okay?

say Joža:

You really let me down there. Honestly, you've fallen pretty low in my eyes—maybe even basement level low. But whatever, I won't make this personal anymore, because deep down, I still respect you... assuming you actually read anything.

Look, if you think about it, today's drivers don't mess around with death nearly as much. They don't have grease under their fingernails from tinkering with engines anymore, and they aren't accidentally shifting into neutral mid-race, but I guess they're still more advanced than the guys from back in the day. Today's drivers are total idiots, and honestly, idiots are at their best when it comes to being idiots—well, only when it’s specifically about their own idiocy. But hey, that's what we're talking about here, right?

There’s a big difference between being a great driver and just being a solid human being. Take A. J. Foyt, for example. He won his race on Sunday, then spent Monday dropping his grandson off at kindergarten. By Monday afternoon, he was already teaching the kid how to use a screwdriver and a wrench. On Tuesday, he was back in the garage working on his NASCAR build, and by Wednesday, he was out on the tractor fixing the hydraulics. Then on Thursday, he was giving George Snider some pointers on how to actually understand racing mechanics, and by Friday, he was already headed out to Milwaukee. That was just A. J. Foyt for you.

Sebastian Vettel wins the race on Sunday, then spends all Monday glued to the simulator to make up for lost testing time. Tuesday? Back in the simulator. Wednesday, Thursday—you get the idea, he’s basically living in that sim. Then he finally heads home, everything's all set and taken care of, gets some fresh clothes, catches some sleep, and just repeats the whole cycle back at Red Bull Racing. Just life as it goes, I guess.

I guess Sebastian Vettel is technically a better driver than A. J. Foyt. I mean, obviously, since his entire life has been centered around driving race cars. But honestly? Sebastian Vettel is just a total jerk. Foyt was a real man, you know? That’s just how it is. You can see that whole "idiot" vibe with modern drivers best when you look at Michael Schumacher. Even the Regenmeister 1.02 seemed like a lost soul after leaving Formula 1, like he was totally adrift and had no idea what to do with himself. Well, I guess it makes sense since he didn't really know how to do anything besides lap a track. It doesn't matter how much money you have if you don't even know how to exist on your own. You feel me?

So, we kind of end up at this conclusion where Button—who’s basically got that smooth, cerebral style—is actually better than Prost. It feels like just a simple evolution of talent. I mean, how can you even claim he lacks raw speed? If that's the case, what was Prost actually missing? That's just how these drivers work. Button is like Prost 1.02, whereas some guy driving a Toro Rosso will probably be Prost 1.03. I guess every new generation just produces better drivers.

Alonso was already crushing it in F3000 back in '99 when he was only 19—that's basically the F1 feeder series. It makes sense, though. These drivers today start in karting and just get sucked into this endless loop of perfecting their craft. It lasts until the end of their careers, or at least until they hit their mid-career slump in F1 when the motivation and discipline start to slip. Maybe like Kimi Raikkonen.

How can you even call Kimi undisciplined? I mean, getting into Formula 1 at 21 with Peter Sauber's team while Max Mosley is breathing down your neck trying to snatch your super license... could any driver really afford to be undisciplined under those conditions? Not a chance. Kimi used to be a super disciplined driver. Maybe until about 2006—then fame just went to his head and things started sliding. But that doesn't take away from his 2007 title, which honestly feels like he’s just collecting on the one he missed out on in 2003. That's my take.

It’s not a drop in driving skill, it’s more like a drop in character. I guess today's drivers are all just corporate puppets—totally hollow inside—but maybe that's what we're talking about here. You said Mark Webber lacks guts, but stormyviper11, did you know Webber is actually the only driver who truly looks out for others? He just organized a fundraiser for that poor guy who had the accident at Brands Hatch. Webber cares about his peers, kind of like how Stewart used to, though back then Stewart was probably more focused on looking after widows than the drivers themselves. Webber is basically Stewart 1.03.

What kind of "drop in quality" are you even talking about? What about Niki Lauda—a driver you admitted didn't have raw talent and had to make up for it with sheer grit? And yet you say Jenson Button lacks pace. Well, what was Lauda missing in '84 if not pace? Titles aren't won on pure speed alone, I thought you knew that, stormyviper11. If Button wins his title in 2010, it’ll definitely be way stronger than Lauda’s '84 run. Lauda had a dominant car and maybe one rival. Button is sitting in the third fastest car with four people to beat. Oh boy, stormyviper11.

Who else were you pointing fingers at? Oh yeah, Lewis Hamilton? Hamilton, much like his predecessor Senna, is just a headless gambler, a Regenmeister 1.01. But then again, Hamilton is still a better driver, Senna 1.02—that win at Spa was incredible.
Besides, if this is a decline in quality, which drivers *should* have won titles so the list of champions doesn't look like a downward slide? Maybe DC from 2000-2004? Or Montoya? Or Kimi—who’s already been labeled a decline in quality.
What about Fisichella or Kimi in 2005? Michael Schumacher in 2006? Alonso in 2007? Hamilton is also labeled a decline in quality too. Then there's Massa in 2008—give me a break, "Federvugla" world champion? And Vettel in 2009?

If that's the case, then the whole field is questionable. And not just today's guys, the entire history of the sport becomes suspect. Everything from now back to the original Regenmeister Rudolf Caracciola or the Nebelmeister Rosemeyer. Or is Caracciola the Nebelmeister and Rosemeyer the Regenmeister? Someone local tell me, since they'd know.

It’s not even debatable that the sheer idiocy of starting karting at age three or four makes today's drivers better than any previous generation. That’s just natural evolution in any pro sport. Anyone with half a brain knows that guys like Pelé, Maradona, or Dražen Petrović wouldn't even be able to touch a ball today, let alone play with it. But no sane person would claim that legends of the past sit far below today's elite on an all-time list, because greatness involves other factors. Eras of dominance, total titles, wins, how much they squeezed out of a mediocre car...

By those metrics, Michael Schumacher is one of the greatest Formula 1 drivers ever, whether I personally like him or not. Based on that criteria—strictly speaking—these six are pretty much ranked in the order mentioned. Jenson Button has had three great seasons, and this is his fourth, though he’s had some slumps and dips. He wasn't like Alonso, extracting every ounce of performance from a subpar car—Rubens was arguably more consistent during those rough Honda years. Does he lack pace? Compared to Lewis Hamilton, yeah, both in qualifying and in the race.

Was Kimi a top-tier professional? For the most part, yeah. I don't think you can survive in modern Formula 1 without it, but I still think his personality cost him more wins and maybe even titles. Compared to other elite drivers over the last decade, Kimi fell behind when it came to professional approach and self-motivation. And yeah, he was definitely less disciplined. No doubt about it, he was a faster driver than Michael Schumacher in 2003. So was Montoya. They probably both had better cars too—but the title went to Schumacher because championships, like you said, are won through other qualities, not just raw speed.

And if the whole field after Rosemeyer is 😍 questionable, I guess I can see your point. Balls, guts, speed, presence—Rosemeyer had everything it took to become the Greatest if he'd just added some brains and experience. But hey, a crosswind between Frankfurt and Darmstadt at 249 miles/h can be a real bitch...😢

ruggedfox28 said:Yeah, unfortunately, it’s the titles that stick in people's minds... which means in maybe 15 or 20 years, nobody’s even going to remember Nick Heidfeld. Even though he’s basically the same type of driver as Jenson Button... super clean, takes what's given, doesn't mess up, but never really breaks out of that average zone...

Your explanation makes sense, but it feels a little contradictory... look at it this way: it's like saying you watch 90 minutes of football just to appreciate the "beauty of a pass." Sure, that works, but it doesn't really get to the heart of why anyone watches sports in the first place. People watch football for the goals, just like people watch F1 for the overtakes—if we're being literal here...

I’m not interested in some sterile, tactical circling around the track, just letting fate take its course and waiting for whatever happens to happen... I’d much rather see a driver actually taking charge of their own destiny, whatever that looks like, instead of just cruising along and settling for what's handed to them (aka waiting for other drivers to screw up)...

...but hey, that's why there's room for everyone, right? We all cheer for different kinds of drivers... 😉

PS - as Del Boy would say: He who dares wins 😉

Look, for me, soccer perfection—or as close as it gets—was that 1994 US National Team run where they made it to the finals while only letting opponents get shots on goal maybe seven or eight times total over six matches... and most of those were desperate long-range shots. Watching a perfect defense was way more satisfying to me than those high-scoring blowouts. It's that same appreciation for tactics and flawless execution that makes me enjoy marathons, biathlons, and other long-winded sports that most people find boring. It's a matter of taste... and honestly, it usually comes with age. When I was younger, I didn't give a damn about those judges scoring ski jumps, but nowadays, whenever I'm watching at Planica, the style matters just as much to me as the distance...

Anyway, back to the point: Alonso had major issues with the car sliding around during the lap when the safety car heads to the pits for the second time this season. In Monaco, I was convinced it was just him being careless, but after seeing it happen again, I'm starting to think it might actually be the car. Does anyone know if there's been anything mentioned about Ferrari having trouble maintaining tire temperatures in those specific situations?

Sometimes there’s something cool about watching pure aggression and hotheads clashing on track. But hey, everyone has their thing—for me, it’s all about that pursuit of perfection. I love seeing drivers squeeze every single drop of potential out of their car and themselves throughout a race weekend by just being hyper-optimized. Honestly, the most gripping season I ever watched was probably 2006. It was just two absolute masters going head-to-head from start to finish, basically playing a high-stakes game of who could make fewer mistakes to stay one step ahead of perfection. Plus, there was that extra satisfaction of seeing Fernando Alonso, who’s younger and way more likable in my book, eventually edge out Michael Schumacher. Jenson Button was a solid example last year too—taking wins when they were actually on the table, then pivoting to damage control once the window closed. If I had to pick, Schumacher's 2003 title is the one I respect the most for those exact reasons. Now, don't get me wrong, Kimi is undeniably a much more "exciting" driver to watch, but all that unnecessary pushing, setting track records on the final lap, and acting reluctant to back off even when things are breaking down... it’s a bit much. I thought that stuff was cool about Ayrton Senna when I was a kid, but honestly, it feels like a show put on for hyped-up teenagers. Just a bunch of restless kids burning rubber at the lights—Lewis Hamilton is kind of headed down that same path lately. These days, I find myself more drawn to mature drivers who actually know how to manage a race; I have a lot of respect for that level of skill. It goes back to Fangio's whole doctrine: you should win by the smallest margin possible that still gets you the trophy. And that’s exactly why (well, not *only* because of that) I consider Fangio to be the greatest and most complete Grand Prix driver to ever live...

redheron12 said:There are maybe twenty Formula 1 World Champions in total, yet you managed to insult a quarter of them in a single sentence—which, frankly, caught me off guard.

But it's specifically these personality flaws you listed...

Give Button some speed and guts, and he'd be just as erratic as Lewis Hamilton.
Give Webber some common sense, and he'd be as boring as Button.
If Alonso showed a bit more respect, he'd just be another reckless guy like Webber.
If Hamilton calmed down, he'd be as cutthroat as Schumacher.
If Schumacher had a sense of fair play, he wouldn't be so obsessed with the job and would be as detached as Kimi Raikkonen.
If Kimi Raikkonen had any work ethic, he'd be as arrogant as Alonso.

So, no matter how you slice it, nothing works out. 👍

Look, I'm repeating myself here, but that was just an internal comparison between those six guys. I don't know if "trashing" them is really the right word.

If you look at the bigger picture, Schumacher Schumacher and Alonso are easily top 10 drivers of all time. Hamilton could definitely get there. Kimi Räikkönen and Button are the type of drivers who snagged a title and you can't really fault them—they aren't the absolute best ever, but they aren't the worst to ever win one either. Then there's Webber, the underdog who finally got a shot at the title and will probably stay right there (kind of like Jacques Laffite, Michele Alboreto, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, Eddie Irvine, or Felipe Massa). They're all solid drivers that I respect in my own way.

My point was basically that if you made an all-time list based on a mix of pure talent and actual results, the ranking would follow the order of their championship wins (or in Webber's case, when they actually had a shot at it). For instance, I personally think Button is a better, more complete driver than Kimi Räikkönen, but because of the gap in wins and seasons spent at the top, Kimi is objectively ahead of him.

And as for that idea that my opinions shift every few races? I don't buy it. A bad season for his old man might shake up his reputation a bit, but it shouldn't erase what he's done. Alonso's string of mistakes early this season might mean he isn't the best driver of 2010, but there's zero doubt he's been the best of this entire decade. Or, if I can brag a little: 😁 - last year someone wrote that nobody could tell how good Button was until he got into a real car, and I dug up a post of mine from 4-5 years ago where I argued that anyone in a great car would be fighting for titles... People change and grow, sure, but it's rare for someone to truly explode onto the scene without any warning, like Webber did this year. To me, he's a surprise, just like Massa was in 2008, whereas Button wasn't a surprise last year.

As for those predictions about how things might change, I'm totally with you. Honestly, my biggest fear is that the scenario for Hamilton plays out, and we end up seeing a whole new level of ruthlessness on the track in the next decade. That kid might actually end up being even more cold-blooded than Senna or Schumacher Schumacher.

feraltrucker5 said:So, what you're telling me is the last time we saw a truly complete champion before this whole horde of underachievers took over was Mika Hakkinen? 😬

You're totally taking things out of context here... 😬
No, I'm just comparing these six specifically. ☕

Fernando Alonso is absolutely on fire right now. He’s finally got his team dialed in and his head straight, and honestly, anything short of him taking the title would be a massive shock. No matter how much people try to twist the math, he’s been the most consistent driver out there over the last five or six seasons. It's just crazy how a mix of weird luck and that classic "Schumacher-style" attitude toward team management caused him to blow his chance at chasing down those legendary records... First, he ran into a wall with McLaren where it was impossible to win, then he shook up the paddock's trust so much that he ended up stuck in a mid-field team for two years. But now that they've moved past the tuning phase? Man, it's not even a stretch to think we could see a streak of titles and pure dominance until the next big rule change hits.

I wouldn't feel too bad if Mark Webber snatched the title, though. It would basically just be the next logical step in this downward spiral of world champion quality: Michael Schumacher - Fernando Alonso - Kimi Raikkonen - Lewis Hamilton - Jenson Button - Mark Webber. They should all just get together and head off to see the Wizard of Oz.
Michael Schumacher could ask for some basic decency and actual fair play.
Fernando Alonso could ask for some respect for his own crew and the rest of the world, for crying out loud.
Kimi Raikkonen could ask for some work ethic and a reason to actually care.
Lewis Hamilton could ask for some air conditioning to cool his head down.
Jenson Button could ask for a heart and maybe a little bit of pace.
Mark Webber could ask for a DNA transplant to move some grit from his ego into the rest of his body.

Vettel isn't quite there yet, and Lewis Hamilton is still maturing, even if Lewis managed to stumble into that one title. I still think age and experience are going to carry the day here. I expect both of them to crack under pressure eventually, and I'm just waiting for Webber to finally screw up because of some stupid mess he started or got caught up in. So, it really comes down to Alonso and Button—the only two guys I actually trust to do their jobs professionally without making massive mistakes. And let's be real, Alonso is faster, has the better car, and more points...

Jason Campbell70 said:Kamui Kobayashi drove like Takuma Sato during his prime today. 😁

Up until today, Kamui Kobayashi looked like someone who had all of Sato's heart and aggression, just with an actual brain attached... 😁 Nah, today that definitely looked like something out of a Sato race...

So, am I seeing things, or did they actually have Sir Jack Brabham hanging around the Ferrari garage yesterday and today? I mean, sure, he's at the race, and we're heading toward the Australian Grand Prix soon, but what's his deal with Ferrari? It doesn't really add up... 😕 Was that someone who actually looked like him? Or just some lookalike...

Am I tripping, or did Vettel just breeze right past Webber at the end of the race without saying a single word or even making a gesture? 🤣

mistybear87 said:roughly 🙂

wasn't that a quick Nick? Kazuki kissed the wall a few laps ago 🙂

Grandpa had three different runs with Sauber, and that first one with Kamui Kobayashi felt like the Japanese man was just being way too aggressive... Though I didn't get a great look at it, they didn't exactly seem shaken by showing off those crashes...

mistybear87 said:I actually think it might have been more dangerous to pull into the pit lane with a burning car than to just clip the barrier like he did here. 😉

Obviously. It’s just that our commentators totally missed the point entirely.

Anyway, just my two cents, but thank God Danny Sullivan was working with the stewards today. He actually understands how street circuits work, so they didn't ruin the race with a bunch of pointless penalties. Though, I’m not so sure Kamikazashi wouldn't have been flagged for shoving Grandpa into the barrier if he hadn't ended up wrecking himself a bit... seemed way too aggressive to me, but hey, they haven't replayed the footage yet...