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US Embassy Austria (Indianapolis Motor Speedway) Race: July 8th–10th, 2022

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Participants ruggedscout76Jack Kelly5graniteharbor502Sam Clark75cosmicmoose2Timothy Castillo6rustytinker81Roger Martinez11Ashley Ramirez4ruggedhawk20Elizabeth Mendozanortherncobra31Raymond Anderson4fadedwalker18Susan Davis7Patrick Taylor9wiredseal7Jacob Castillo70Lisa Thomas3darkmarlin16Amy Castillo4Kate Brooks3Thomas Rogersruggedcyclist56 …
Lisa Thomas3 Lisa Thomas3 Member
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joined Dec 2018
#141 ·
cosmicmoose2 said:Ferrari had the upper hand at the start of the season. Their last race where they actually held a significant advantage was Australia. Though, before that, there was Saudi Arabia, where straight-line speed is the deciding factor—and back then, Red Bull was miles ahead of Ferrari in terms of top speed.

Since then, every single race (not qualifying, but actual races) has gone to Red Bull, so you're dead wrong if you claim Ferrari has been stronger all season. It’s actually the exact opposite. Max is an incredible driver, no doubt about that. But the car accounts for at least 60% of the success.
When you throw strategy and pit stop speed into the mix (as some others have mentioned), plus the fact that Ferrari has dealt with more reliability issues, that explains the massive gap in the points standings.

It feels to me like some Red Bull fans, like yourself, aren't satisfied just having their driver win; they only value a victory if it fits this "David vs. Goliath" narrative. That's why every single season you push this story that Max is winning in an inferior car.

Max didn't even have an inferior car last year (maybe towards the end when Mercedes really pushed their engines to the limit), and he definitely doesn't have an inferior car this year.

This year, his path to the title is the easiest it's ever been. Between the car itself and the state of Ferrari, it's a cakewalk. If he somehow loses the championship, that's on him.

Now you're doing the same thing as stormybadger8, claiming Red Bull is the best without providing any actual arguments.😵 I've analyzed this race by race, and I've clearly laid out how Ferrari had the better Race Pace in most instances, give or take an exception or two. Tell me specifically what's wrong or what you disagree with. And that's just regarding the races; in qualifying, Ferrari's dominance is even more pronounced. Overall, it is hands down the best car on the grid.

And you've completely missed the mark—I'm not a Red Bull fan at all. Quite the opposite, I've always rooted for Ferrari. The fact that you've projected this onto me shows that you view everything through a biased lens, assuming everyone else is just writing fanboy nonsense.
As a Ferrari supporter, it honestly gets under my skin when people try to discredit the work of the people who built this car. They did a damn good job. Alongside Mercedes-AMG and Red Bull Racing, they built the objectively best car on the grid. Hats off to them. Yet now, people are tearing them down, which is obviously the worst part of the whole Ferrari situation. If those people had stayed with the team at that level, Ferrari would be cruising to the championship. But they didn't. So now people bash this fantastic car... why? Just because they're fanboys of a certain driver and need to justify him? Or are they just Max haters? I don't know, but either way, it's ridiculous.
cosmicmoose2 cosmicmoose2 Active Member
66 messages
joined May 2016
#142 ·
I’ve got a hunch you’re a Ferrari fan now. Used to be all about Max...
Which is totally fine by me, honestly. No need to hide it.
And look, if someone says Ferrari has the second-best car when it comes to Race Pace, that isn't an insult to the machine or the geniuses who built it. It's just facts.
That car was definitely the beast on the grid early on, but Red Bull has been cranking out upgrades left and right... and you can really see the difference in those last six or seven races.
Lisa Thomas3 Lisa Thomas3 Member
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joined Dec 2018
#143 ·
cosmicmoose2 said:I doubt you're actually a Ferrari fan. You were rooting for Max before.
Which is totally fine, so I don't see why you're hiding it.
And if someone claims Ferrari has the second-best car in terms of Race Pace, it’s hard to interpret that as an insult to the car or the people who designed and built it.
That car really was the strongest at the start, but Red Bull has done way more upgrades, and you can definitely see that in the last six or seven races.

Once again, you're just repeating the same mantra without offering a single coherent argument or example.😵
Where exactly have we seen Red Bull being better over the last 6-7 races? Maybe in Azerbaijan and Spain where Charles Leclerc takes pole only to retire while leading? Or in Canada where Carlos Sainz is hounding Max? Or in Monaco where Ferrari completely dominates until tragic decisions ruin the race?
Get real. We're talking about pace, and it's crystal clear that Ferrari had the faster car in all those races.
And yeah, saying they have the second-best car is absolutely insulting because it isn't true, and it shifts the blame for poor performances away from the strategists and drivers—who are the actual culprits—and onto the engineers, who are honestly the strongest part of the team.

And now you're trying to tell ME who I root for?!🤣
One minute it's Red Bull, now it's Max. Fine, you clearly know more than I do.
I'm not reading any more of this nonsense when there's zero substance behind it...😵
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#144 ·
Brian Garcia24 said:Blah blah blah, that's a description of your post, not mine. Ferrari clearly has the superior Race Pace; I've analyzed their performance race after race, and it shows up almost every single time. Those are actual arguments, not just your "it's obvious" nonsense.😵

What kind of glasses are you wearing to see that Race Pace? 🙂
According to LT, the Race Pace is indisputably on Red Bull's side. Maybe not if you're looking through rose-colored fan goggles. 🤷
Susan Davis7 Susan Davis7 Member
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joined Sep 2020
#145 ·
swiftmaker12 said:Apparently the drivers had some meeting around 7 PM with the race director

So Alonso and Vettel were venting about the double standards from the officials

And then they got reported to the FIA for supposedly hurting the organization's reputation with their comments and attitude.

Sebastian Vettel just walked out of the meeting early...

And then they slapped him with a $25,000 fine

Unbelievable man

I actually heard something totally different—the drivers who were getting sketchy, forbidden info from the pits during the second formation lap were called in, and he just stood up and left, which is why he got that $25k penalty.
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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joined May 2024
#146 ·
Brian Perez79 said:I’ve got totally different intel—apparently they called the drivers who were getting some clearly forbidden info from the pit wall during the second formation lap, and since he stood up and walked off, that's why there was a $25k fine.

Here’s a link to an Italian site where the FIA decision is posted in English—take a look:

https://www.formulapassion.it/motors...ri-625482.html
Jacob Castillo70 Jacob Castillo70 Active Member
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joined May 2021
#147 ·
Lewis and Toto are absolutely fuming over the crowd's reaction when Lujo hit the wall during Friday's session...

Have people already forgotten what went down at Silverstone last year? Even then, Lujo was being celebrated while Max was sidelined in the hospital—exactly the kind of behavior Lewis is now calling out as completely inappropriate from those Dutch fans.
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
62 messages
joined May 2024
#148 ·
I mean, I'm enjoying this, but it was honestly predictable—this online hatred toward certain drivers is finally spilling over from imaginary forums onto the actual racetracks.
Lewis is whining about how the hate directed at him is insane, especially after that mishap during Q3 yesterday.

Well, you reap what you sow, I guess.
And honestly, it’s hard to tell who the bigger fanatics are—the Brits or the Dutch.
It’s all just the same arrogant, entitled nonsense.
Susan Davis7 Susan Davis7 Member
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joined Sep 2020
#149 ·
swiftmaker12 said:Here's a link from an Italian site where you can find the FIA decision in English—take a look:

https://www.formulapassion.it/motors...ri-625482.html

There’s all kinds of conflicting info floating around the web right now
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
62 messages
joined May 2024
#150 ·
If we actually had some decent officials, Lujo should probably be serving five years in Alcatraz for what happened with the Silverstone fans last year...
that kind of shady maneuvering hasn't been seen since 2012 in Canada when Schumacher slammed Barrichello into the wall...
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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joined May 2024
#151 ·
Brian Perez79 said:There's a lot of conflicting info floating around online lately

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darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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joined Nov 2015
#152 ·
Man, Lewis Hamilton is just not hitting the mark lately.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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joined Oct 2020
#153 ·
Oh, come on, give me a break. He actually went and condemned the behavior of the Silverstone fans in the exact same statement.

Man, what a time to be alive, having to defend a stylist myself.
Jacob Castillo70 Jacob Castillo70 Active Member
144 messages
joined May 2021
#154 ·
Richard Walker38 said:Give me a break; he condemned the behavior of the Silverstone fans in that very same statement.

It’s truly something else, isn't it? Having to step up and defend someone who can barely hold their own ground.

It was nothing more than an empty statement made a full year later. After that, there was total silence—neither he nor Mercedes said a single word about it.

Karma really is a relentless force...
Susan Davis7 Susan Davis7 Member
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joined Sep 2020
#155 ·
Richard Walker38 said:Give me a break—he went on about how the Silverstone fans were acting in that exact same statement.

Man, what a time to be alive when I actually have to play defense for the guy--seriously.

I don't recall him making a big deal out of the crowd back at Silverstone 2021.
cosmicmoose2 cosmicmoose2 Active Member
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joined May 2016
#156 ·
Jacob Castillo70 said:Just an empty statement a year later. And after that? Absolute silence from him and Mercedes... nothing.

Karma really is a bitch...

Honestly, both the Americans and the Dutch need to be called out here. Cheering during a crash on track is just straight-up disgusting, no matter which driver you're rooting for.
Jacob Castillo70 Jacob Castillo70 Active Member
144 messages
joined May 2021
#157 ·
cosmicmoose2 said:Both the British and Dutch crowds deserve condemnation. Chanting while an accident is unfolding on track is absolutely disgraceful, regardless of which driver is involved.

I couldn't agree more; there is simply no debate there.

In this specific instance, it seems Mercedes-AMG didn't see much issue with the British fans cheering and celebrating Max Verstappen's crash, largely because that behavior got swallowed up by the endless arguments over who was actually at fault.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
376 messages
joined Oct 2017
#158 ·
cosmicmoose2 said:I honestly think both the British and Dutch fans deserve some criticism here, because chanting during an accident on the track is just plain disrespectful, regardless of which driver is involved.

Well, I say let them celebrate! Why shouldn't they? I mean, if someone actually lost their life, then sure, celebrating would be totally out of line, but when a driver basically drives themselves into a wall through sheer stupidity, it’s only natural that people are going to cheer, poke fun, and stir the pot a little bit.

Everything in this sport seems to be getting so sterilized lately; it feels like the drivers have turned into these corporate puppets following a pre-written script. Honestly, fuck that. If that's the case, we might as well just put an AI computer in the car to drive it ourselves. At least the fans should be allowed to act like real human beings, with all the messy pros and cons that come along with being human.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not exactly a fan of Max Verstappen, so I find myself hoping he crashes every single race, and I'll happily cheer for every mistake he makes—so if that bothers you, feel free to take it up with me.
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#159 ·
Seriously, why do some people insist on wearing those ridiculous berets?

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Jacob Castillo70 Jacob Castillo70 Active Member
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joined May 2021
#160 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Why on earth do some people wear braces?

Sent from my iPhone 12 using Reddit

Is America still dealing with some kind of quasi-restrictions? 🤔

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