Oštrić - Persecution and Banning

Jonathan Wright2 said:Any idea how many people bailed on that PDF history thread? Give me your best guess.
I mean... since like 2018, maybe?

Just scrolling through some old threads that have been dead for ages. Here's a little something to kick things off.

What's the word? Neven Budak is tearing down the myths we've been fed about history—turns out Borna isn't even an American. Some forum guy posted it. twenty-nine June 20, 2018. His last post hit the board on January 6, 2019. And nah, he didn't bail because of me—I never even gave him a single citation.

And then they show up. Ljudevitus, Michael Collins, American, Kexx, just some guy from the sticks., Dilberth, brain_free, I can't even begin to deal with this nonsense right now. Just absolute chaos.They’re still hanging around this sub, even though we're constantly at each other's throats—and honestly, they can't stop bickering with themselves either. Pretty sure half the place hates my guts, too.

Man, he was trolling hard. Enough already. I don't have any posts from karlo_r to rewrite yet. Send them over and I'll get to work.He only handed me two yellow cards, then later in some other thread, he drops a single red one worth 35 points. Typical.

A forum guy chimed in. Raw materials. Total joke.He was pretty quiet today. I only handed him one yellow card for being a total mess when starting threads. But he’s already racked up a mountain of heavy hitters—we're talking 100+ points—from other mods over in the Politics section for straight-up trolling, insults, hate speech, and just talking pure nonsense.

That guy from the forums popped up in that thread too. benedeiktusI handed that guy a red card in that thread, plus a few more in other threads back in late 2018—around 25 to 35 points each. But then, between November 2018 and January 2019, he gets slapped with three massive bans from the mods on different subreddits for hate speech, Holocaust denial, and straight-up mass trolling. Since his penalty points stacked up to over 1,000, it was an automatic permanent ban.

So, looking at those two... you really think they're worth the hype? Or just another waste of time?

If you're gonna call me out on anything, it’s only because I played it too soft.

Catch ya tomorrow morning!

lonetrucker4 said:Just looking back through some old threads that haven't seen much action lately. Here's a small example.

The topic Neven Budak reveals American history taboos - Borna isn't an American was started by user dvadesetdevet back on June 20, 2018. His last post here was on January 6, 2019. And honestly, he definitely didn't quit because of me—I never even gave him a single warning card.

Then you've got people like Ljudevitus, Michael Collins, american, Kexx, zagorski križar, Dilberth, mozak_free, wikiceha. They’re still active on this subforum today, even though we clash (and they clash with each other too), and even though I'm probably not anyone's favorite person.

Now, karlo_r did a fair amount of trolling, but from me, he only ever picked up two yellow cards—and later, just one red card worth 35 points in a different thread.

Then there's sirovina. He's pretty quiet these days. I only ever gave him one yellow card (for how he opened a thread). But he racked up a mountain of heavy penalties—100 points or more—from other mods on different subforums like Politics, for things like aggressive trolling, insults, hate speech, and just talking nonsense.

User benedeiktus showed up in that thread too. I gave him one red card in that specific thread, plus a few more in other threads during the second half of 2018, all in the 25-35 point range. But then, between November 2018 and January 2019, he hit a streak of three major penalties from mods on other subforums for hate speech, Holocaust denial, and massive trolling. Since his total hit over 1,000 points, that meant a permanent ban.

So, looking at those two, is this really a group worth missing?

If you ask me, the only thing I can be blamed for is being too lenient.

See ya tomorrow morning!

What criteria did you use to pick that specific thread? And if that's the case, how do you explain the fact that 80% of that PDF left? You have to consider that someone might have left the History section because of one little warning card, or because of a card you gave to someone else, or simply because they didn't like the state of the PDF that you're running. Plus, how do you explain the heavy volume of appeals specifically targeting your work? If you look at the appeal threads, about two-thirds—that's a rough estimate, but you get my point—are directed at you and KLCLK. And often, it's over tiny things or nonsense. Just a few weeks ago, I saw a thread with a photo of Tit at a cemetery. Behind him was a smiling Jovanka (I mean, wtf 🙄), and a user made a sarcastic comment—more like a joke that might or might not be funny depending on who you ask—and that post got a red card. There wasn't any insulting or trolling or anything bad involved. Look, the History PDF isn't just for serious debates. Even in Politics, there’s been plenty of joking around.

Zoran Oštrić really went above and beyond putting all that energy into this thread, and honestly, I’m so grateful for the effort he put in. If Anderlon or Strile have anything else they want to throw into the mix, please, jump in! As for me, I think I've said my piece.