Alternative vibes again :)

Hey 🙂
It’s been a minute since we’ve seen any activity here 🙂

I just wanted to flag that your relative (or so I gathered from a previous thread) Monty has gone back to his old ways—posting absolutely disgusting, vile nonsense in the threads regarding alternative cancer treatment:

Honestly, you need a stomach of steel to read this kind of garbage. If any of us regular users were forced to sit through this stuff daily, we’d all head straight over to the NSFW subforums just to find some peace.

So, I’m asking you to please delete the post—do it for the author's sake, too, so he can stop embarrassing himself and pretend to be a civilized human being for a little while longer—or just lock the thread if this is the direction things are headed.

Thanks!

Hey Nicole Johnson20, what’s your take on how Exotericon is treating me? Honestly, did I do anything to deserve this kind of attitude? Oh, right—he’s "yours."

By the way, I’d like to request that the moderator take a look at this thread. Setting aside the fact that Exotericon is calling me an idiot, the way they’re insulting people undergoing chemotherapy by labeling them "human waste"—all while jumping into my conversation with another member where I was simply respecting those who choose to avoid chemo while sharing stories about family members who were cured by it—is honestly disgusting.

Is the official stance of this forum to support views that mainstream medicine considers nothing short of killing people?

Roger Cooper91 said:Hey Nicole Johnson20, what’s your take on how Exotericon is treating me—do you think I actually deserve this kind of attitude? Oh, right, he's "yours."

You didn't deserve it; honestly, you're easily the most decent person to talk to on this board. 👍

But placidtinker39—well, let's just say 🙂, he finally found someone willing to give him a taste of his own medicine.

And who knows, maybe you've got some luck 🙂—I seem to recall a time when you got hit with two penalties back-to-back through no fault of your own.

Exotericon isn't one of us—Exotericon is just you, Monty. You finally realized we aren't falling for the same trap twice, so since you won't represent the opposition for us, you decided to play both sides. Now you’re basically spending the last few pages of this thread arguing with yourself.

My advice? Stop embarrassing yourself. We all see right through you.

I think it’s high time we laid all the cards on the table... folks, let’s stop kidding ourselves!

Exotericon is actually Ethan Brooks59.

This clone profile was created just a week ago (November 27, 2018). He dropped a few posts in the politics section at the start just to look inconspicuous, and then suddenly he pivoted hard toward raw food, flooding everything with anecdotes about cures and constant insults. 🤔

The modus operandi is transparent and quite familiar and the ultimate goal of this pathetic little comedy is obvious—it’s the exact same thing we saw over in the cancer treatment thread. The strategy is to bury the topic under a mountain of insults because that’s what moderators and admins are most sensitive to. Then, once enough vitriol has piled up—since there isn't a moderator around to step in and clean things up in the meantime—the posts will be reported to Nice and the entire thread will be shut down due to prolonged arguing and harassment, which is his end game.

The exact same thing happened in the cancer treatment thread: a sickeningly persistent and brazen barrage of nasty insults intended to keep the thread active until it could be shuttered. Now, we are seeing an identical pattern with the exact same objective. The only difference is that back then he was using his main profile, whereas here he set up a clone specifically for this occasion, planting a "telltale egg" that's easy to crack since he immediately started posting about miraculous cures.

There is something else that further confirms my suspicions: Ethan Brooks59 hasn't said a single word against Exotericon, even though this guy is spewing insults and talking about the very things that Ethan Brooks59 always fiercely attacks and finds deeply upsetting—natural healing methods and their actual results.
However, curiously enough, nothing Exotericon brought up was labeled as quackery, something Ethan Brooks59 has done repeatedly for months and years. On the contrary, during Exotericon's outbursts, Ethan Brooks59 was constantly attacking me and focusing entirely on me in his usual style—accusing me of non-existent insults, calling me a quack, labeling me some kind of guru, and attacking every single one of my posts (he has me on ignore, but three other members notified me, so I read them). Yet, absolutely nothing from Exotericon bothered him at all.
It's just so transparent...🤦

There is one more detail that many people likely missed:
Right in his very first post on the thread, Exotericon practically outed himself as a clone:

Exotericon said:And don't pay any attention to this Zecopas fellow, I've known him for a couple of years from another thread where he showed a serious lack of intelligence.

So, he supposedly knows Zecopas from a different thread a couple of years ago.
How is that possible if he only registered a week ago? 😁
It's clearly a clone.
Interestingly, though, Zecopas didn't seem to notice at all and didn't call him out for being a clone. Neither did Ethan Brooks59. How naive. 😁

Finally, this post in the raw food thread really puts the final nail in the coffin, because you can see Ethan Brooks59's writing style so clearly, along with his very recognizable behavioral patterns (the arrogance, the rudeness, the aggression, the constant insults...) that it's practically glaring:

Quote : Exotericon said:How on earth am I "lowering myself" to his level? That’s physically impossible. This guy is attacking natural methods that have been proven to help—which means he’s potentially leading people toward death—and yet he’s acting like a complete moron. For the sake of God and basic morality, calling him an idiot isn't "stooping"; it's just common sense and justice. And you, coming after me (or anyone else here) for rightfully labeling him an idiot by saying we're "lowering ourselves"... honestly, your post reeks of hypocrisy.

Well, that’s just how things stand, for the record.

I trust the administration will handle this in a high-quality, fair manner by holding those responsible for this situation accountable, so that we can all get back to having a normal discussion on the topic.

Best regards to everyone.

Come on, stop messing around 😲
What kind of conspiracy theories and soap opera drama is this?
There’s absolutely no way—why, Monty?
Do you think they're going to shut this thread down or what?

Ugh, this is honestly getting to be too much.

Look, it seems to me that Exotericon has spent a massive amount of time studying those bones, while Monty seems way more focused on rocks, geology, and stuff like that—so why would he be diving into deep studies about those bones?

And did placidtinker39 even realize it's all the same person? 🙂
I’d actually love to see him talk to placidtinker39 the way placidtinker39 usually talks to everyone else—just someone provoking him for once, even if it turned out to be a clone.

And why did Bonecrusher suddenly vanish from the entire PDF? 🤔 Could that be connected to something else?
Though, he has such a distinct writing style, I don't buy that he's anyone's clone (at least not from that PDF).

Edit: Also, from what I can gather, it looks like Exotericon lives in England. At one point, I got the feeling he was trying to imitate Ethan Barrett22. That could also be a sign of acting.
Judging by the writing style, it looks like he's from a place like Miami or something similar (just like Monty). 😲

Honestly, Exotericon might just be Rorion's clone at this point.
He spouts nothing but nonsense, yet the second you call him out on it, he loses his mind...

Ethan Barrett22 said:I’m putting my faith in the administration to handle this properly and fairly. They need to hold the specific people responsible for this mess accountable so we can actually get back to having a normal discussion on the topic.

Which is exactly how they "expertly" handled the moderator shortage over on the alternative boards, right?

I knew it! I just had this feeling that the whole "entourage" would show up, led by their very own "guru," Ethan Barrett22, ready to launch into one of those massive, sweeping lectures.

Alright, let's roll up our sleeves and finally get this show on the road! It’s time to stop talking about it and actually make things happen.

Let's take this one step at a time:

In the thread about raw food:
Quote : Exotericon

chillout23 said:On top of all that—and hey, people can say whatever they want, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes—it's definitely true! Just so you guys know, there are certain people in this group who actually have access to private messages! So, just keep that in mind!

Quote : Exotericon

Ethan Barrett22 said:I know. Don't you worry about a thing! A lot of you guys on here probably already heard the news I shared earlier!Oh, come on, we all know exactly who we're talking about!
And let's be real, the moderators and admins aren't even part of this!

I’d love to get Nicole Johnson20, Anderlon, and maybe a few other admins on the line here to weigh in on this claim. I think we really need some official clarification!

If it turns out that anyone—and let’s be real, it’s pretty obvious which of us this "accusation" is actually aimed at (looking at you, Zecopas, myself, Roger Cooper91, or placidtinker39)—actually had the right or the opportunity to step up and issue a sanction immediately, then fine by me! I say go for it. But, on the flip side, if it’s found that... Chillout and Ethan Barrett22 (That second guy—who, let’s be honest, basically admitted he’s the one orchestrating and leading this whole angry crusade—did they actually have any real insight? Or better yet, did they just straight-up lie? Because that's exactly what they did.) Under the American legal code, we’ve got specific sections dealing with criminal offenses like Defamation, Libel, and Slander. It’s all laid out clearly to protect people from being unfairly maligned or harassed through false statements. Look, the description of all three posts is crystal clear. That’s why I’m calling for them to be sanctioned—honestly, we’ve had more than enough of these idiots polluting the forum with their mindless accusations. It’s getting ridiculous! They’re out here acting like every single one of us posting on Alternative is just some mindless clone fighting against their fake "counter-culture" crowd. It's exhausting!

Alright, let's dive into this. Regarding that post from Nicole Johnson20:
Quote : Exotericon

Nicole Johnson20 said:I just wanted to jump in here and let you all know that... Your cousin! (At least that’s what I remember reading in some old thread somewhere!) Monty is back at it again with the vulgarity! Honestly, if you spend more than five minutes scrolling through threads about alternative cancer treatment, you’re going to run straight into some of the absolute biggest piles of nonsense out there! It’s wild. You go in looking for actual support or maybe a different perspective, and instead, you just get hit with waves of total garbage. It's almost impressive how much misinformation can exist all in one place!:

Honestly, you really need a strong stomach to read stuff like this! If any of us participants were actually reading these kinds of things out loud, we’d all be heading straight over to the NSFW subforum just to find some peace and quiet.

Just like I told you right then and there, that was my direct response to those two absolutely terrible posts from your "friend" stormyrider28!
(Hey everyone! Just checking in. I think there might have been a little hiccup in the transmission! It looks like your message just says "i"—did you mean to send something else? I'm sitting here with my coffee, ready and waiting to dive into whatever you've got for me, so don't be shy! Just let me know what's on your mind, and we can get this conversation rolling. Can't wait to hear from you! Hey there! Just checking in.) .

Honestly, I’m just sitting here wondering why this kid feels the need to mock someone close to me who has passed away. Look, I am saying this under full responsibility—and I’m totally prepared to face the consequences if I have to—but this little brat is pure trash. This forum isn't, and absolutely should not be, a playground for people to act out or tear others down. And because we’re clearly lacking any real moderation around here, it’s basically turned into one. Out of 170 posts, about 130 of them are nothing but straight-up trolling and insults. Now, look, it’s not like you *can’t* ignore that stuff if you want to, but you clearly don't want to. The fact that you find the trolling "unreadable" or "impossible to watch," yet you thought making jokes about the deceased was somehow hilarious and fun, says everything about your character. That's exactly why you started this thread in the first place, isn't it? But hey, let's get some things cleared up once and for all.

Oh, please! It’s just as "logical" to accuse the forum moderator of being my relative and claiming I only get special perks because of family ties. Honestly, maybe that’s just your favorite way to spin things when you want to push an alternative theory about how moderation works around here!

Quote : Exotericon

Nicole Johnson20 said:Honestly, I’m asking you guys to please just delete the post—and honestly, doing so would be doing the original author a huge favor in the first place! Look, let’s just try to keep some dignity here and stop pretending we're all being civilized, shall we? See you next time!...or just lock the thread if people are going to keep posting stuff like that there.

Look, we’ve already had plenty of long-winded discussions about civility, basic politeness, and how we handle debates within these specific threads. It really comes down to this: if the topic is "raw food," then the conversation should actually be about using raw food in general. We shouldn't be narrowing everything down exclusively to cancer treatment—especially when people start making definitive medical claims that could actually get them in legal trouble! That's exactly why the previous thread ended up the way it did. Closed..

Quote : Exotericon

Ethan Barrett22 said:I honestly think it’s time to lay all the cards on the table. Seriously, people—let's stop kidding ourselves!

Exotericon is Ethan Brooks59.

So, check this out—this clone profile was only set up about a week ago (back on November 27, 2018). At first, they were playing it cool, dropping a few posts in the politics section just to blend in and avoid looking suspicious. But then, out of nowhere, they totally pivoted! Suddenly, they’re flooding everything with posts about raw food and miracle cancer treatments, all while being incredibly rude and insulting everyone in sight. It's pretty wild how fast they switched gears! 🤔

And then, to top it all off, everything else mentioned above just goes downhill from there—getting even worse and, frankly, even stupider!

And now, I’m actually going to reach out to the forum admins about this one! Time to put the squeeze on Ethan Barrett22! It looks like he’s finally facing some consequences for his actions. Honestly, I really hope this guy finally decides to move on from the forum for good. It’s getting pretty intense—he clearly needs some serious help and professional support. His obsession has totally crossed the line from being just "eccentric" into territory that just isn't healthy or normal anymore.
It’s all so incredibly obvious now, isn't it? Honestly, the one thing I just can't wrap my head around is how someone like that can go around peddling this whole persona of being "calm" and sophisticated, only to pull the mask off and show everyone who they really are. And then, of course, you have this entire pack of followers trailing behind him like he’s some kind of messiah, reacting to every single move he makes. It makes me wonder if we should take a closer look at who is actually copying whom, right? Since everyone seems to be watching so closely anyway!
It’s just his classic move—this totally hypocritical, two-faced persona he puts on whenever you try to pin him down with an actual question. As soon as things get specific, the mask slips, and he immediately pivots into nothing but insults and personal attacks! ☕

To keep things short and sweet: this is the format we’re going with! ad hominem, Honestly, acting without any sense of logic or decency is just wrong. To go out and accuse "certain people" of being able to read everyone's private messages—just because they’re venting their own frustrations by spamming followers with DMs—is completely unacceptable behavior in a civilized society. It really needs to stop. If this kind of thing is allowed to slide, then there's no point in playing by the rules anymore. We might as well just switch to a "free-for-all" style, much like how Bonecrusher was allowed to act, or how it seems some others get a free pass all the time...

Look, I’m not interested in getting into who this Exotericon person actually is. We have moderators and admins here for a reason, and I’m certainly not giving him any platform to drag this out.

But honestly, after everything that just went down, the absolute bare minimum I expect from some of the "followers" in this group is an apology. I mean, seriously, what is even happening with this whole Alternative scene? You all displayed such a staggering level of "calmness," "civility," and "class"—if you can even call it that—while following those raw food fanatics. It was basically just a pack of losers trying to act trendy, peddling ideas that clearly have zero substance behind them. There aren't even any true raw food enthusiasts here—you know, the kind who actually defend their views with real arguments. But hey, I guess that’s just "doing it your way," as your guru would say.

Ethan Brooks59 said:Like I already told you right then and there, my response was just a reaction to those two disgusting posts from your "buddy" gnu
(this one and that one here).

Where this little brat is out here making jokes about someone close to me who passed away. This forum isn't—and shouldn't be (though it basically became one because the moderation is non-existent)—a playground for people to act out and be disrespectful. Out of 170 posts, 130 of them are nothing but trolling and insults... look, you can read them if you want, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO.

So, I'm the brat and the little pubescent trash? Fine. Let the admins see how you're still being disrespectful, just like when you were talking about cancer treatment. You start insulting people the second you log on, yet you claim most of my posts are insults? Then where are the links to these "massive" insults you're talking about? Where are they? And you have the nerve to lecture me about ad hominem attacks? We can all see from your posts that you absolutely loathe Ethan Barrett22 from the bottom of your soul. You've been attacking him for months across every single thread for zero reason, and honestly, you're just wearing us all out while the guy completely ignores you and doesn't even bother to respond... he never insults anyone, he stays as polite as humanly possible, and he writes great posts. In fact, I've actually taken his side several times specifically because I see you picking on him for no damn reason. And honestly, I'm pretty sure Quote : Exotericon is your favorite target just because of the insults, since I've only ever seen insults like that on this forum coming from you... but hey, I'm not going to stoop to your level and fire back with insults because you don't even deserve that... I actually feel bad for you. But seriously, I'm asking the admins to punish this kind of behavior because this is truly embarrassing for this forum.

Quote : Exotericon

Ethan Brooks59 said:Look, let me just break this down simply. This whole style of ad hominem, just mindless rambling after accusing "certain people" of snooping through private forum DMs—all because they're acting out of pure frustration, which leads to them spamming private messages to everyone following them... honestly, in any civilized society, that kind of behavior is just totally unacceptable.

So, come on, how exactly do you know who's sending what kind of private messages to whom??? You kinda overstepped there, didn't you?

I don't have a clue—to me, this Exotericon guy seems fine, and I really don't think he's Monty.
As for Monty, he’s alright too, provided he doesn't start getting vulgar.
To be honest, I think you all are fine. 🙂
The only one who's a bit of a bore is placidtinker39.

Seriously, what are you guys even on about? Anyone who’s actually been following the discussions on this subforum for more than five minutes knows you all send private messages just to swap recipes or "clarify" things—you’ve literally said as much in public.

By the way, I don't care if they call us whatever names they want. They constantly spread these unpunished, public rumors that we’re all clones, or they mock people's private lives—like questioning if I even have a family, or making jokes about a deceased neighbor of another user. Look, I know people lie and you have to be careful, but for these quasi-alternative types, if you aren't standing on their side, they immediately go after your personal integrity in public. It doesn't matter because that subforum has been a total circus for ages, but I'm still appealing to the moderators to step up and clean out the "raw food" thread. In there, they call medical professionals literal murderers, calling them the "medical mafia" or claiming they "tried to kill him with chemo." Then you've got some self-proclaimed guru stirring the pot from the sidelines, using ridiculous caricatures to drive the point home. They are literally weaponizing fear against modern medicine, and we already have enough terrified forum users and readers being exposed to this garbage.

stormyrider28 said:because you're the only one on this entire forum who throws insults around for absolutely no reason, seriously...

Oh, really? Poor little unburned Rorion, boo-hoo.

stormyrider28 said:So, why don't you tell us how on earth you know who's sending what kind of private messages to whom??? That was a bit of a slip-up, wasn't it?

Well, maybe try reading a little bit of what your "guru" actually writes in this thread before you blow your own cover.

Ibrahim-Pr said:I know. Don't worry, plenty of forum members already know about what I reported, we know exactly who we're dealing with.
And I'm not even talking about the mods or admins.

He's actually BRAGGING about it! Or maybe he just can't help but back himself up, even when he's turning against the very person he’s supposedly defending.
And check out this confirmation from this morning:
Quote : Exotericon's post

The kind of post our "Mr. Integrity" Ethan Barrett22 is passing around: "I just logged back into the forum after a few days and saw all the new posts—same old trolls pushing the exact same agenda.
I just wanted to say something to you and warn you to be careful - your posts are great and such a breath of fresh air in this thread, but watch how you talk to and address the trolls. I feel the same way you do, but be careful; even though officially nobody has been moderating this alternative scene for about 9 months now, I know from experience that occasionally those people who sit above the regular moderators swoop in to hand out warnings and bans specifically to people like us.
Best regards!"

So, what's next, stormyrider28? An apology? A "sorry, not sorry" shrug? The guy just showed up, has a handful of posts, and we don't even know his stance or what he believes in yet, but our buddy Ethan immediately jumps in with "warnings" and claims he "feels the same way" (which is only possible if they're the same person!) and suggests that bans are being handed out exclusively to "you guys" (who exactly are "you guys"? Is Ethan trying to say the moderation is unfair or just biased?)

It looks like you had a little "slip of the tongue," so what happens now? Ha! What are we supposed to say to stormyrider28's arguments now?

Honestly, the mere fact that this kind of thing is happening—now confirmed by his own "gems"—puts this whole group in the same category as a pack of wolves rather than people here with honest intentions. They're just promoting specific ideas in an organized way. It feels like a cult or something equally shady and bad... 😒👎👎

stormyrider28 said:So, why don't you tell us how you magically know who's sending what in private messages? A little slip-up there, wasn't it?

If I’m following this correctly, apparently sending DMs is some kind of cardinal sin in a civilized society now? 😁 I’m just wondering—how on earth does he know what we're saying to each other in private? 🤔>

You guys mentioned it yourselves; it’s hardly some big secret..

Go ahead, send your private messages—who’s stopping you? Even though I really don't want to get involved, I’m advising Monty not to reply to that leaked private message. It’s blindingly obvious he was right when he called your whole way of operating a "pack mentality." If you're panicking just because you got recognized, that's on you.

But moving past that, I am still calling on the moderators to issue a permanent ban to Exotericon, who keeps harping on about this medical mafia wanting to kill people, and Ethan Barrett22, who was egging him on. This stuff is DANGEROUS and LEGALLY ACTIONABLE. We need to bring this thread back to an acceptable standard. As for the insults being thrown around by both sides, I'll leave it to you to decide the penalties.

I'm quoting Nice, who shut down the other thread on this subforum because of this exact mess:

The topic is temporarily closed. Some posts involving bickering have been deleted, but no one has been formally sanctioned yet. If I find the time for a more thorough review soon, that might change.

Let me be crystal clear about how we move forward: the compass has been lost here, and the discussion has veered off into territory it should never have entered. You can discuss alternative methods, but you cannot encourage people to ignore modern medicine and professional doctors' advice, nor can you promote methods that have been scientifically proven to be harmful and dangerous.

This topic will likely reopen in a few days. Either this one, or a new one where we start from scratch, but either way, there will be a new set of rules.

Charlatanism and quackery are actually illegal here in the States, so I guess these dangerous maniacs who push people to ditch real medicine shouldn't even be posting on an alternative platform... they clearly don't understand what the word "alternative" even means.

Roger Cooper91 said:Hey, feel free to keep messaging each other if you want—nobody’s stopping you! And even though I’m really not feeling this whole vibe, I’d honestly suggest to Ethan Brooks59 that he shouldn't bother replying to that leaked private message. It’s pretty obvious he was spot on when he called out your whole "pack mentality" approach. If you guys are getting all worked up just because someone saw through the act, well, that sounds like a "you" problem to me.

I’m posting this specific message here (just a quick correction: it wasn't "leaked," she posted it intentionally, likely with some pretty nasty intentions) for one single reason: this is where it belongs. It doesn't fit in the raw food discussion thread. I think most people would agree with that.
Once she posted it in that other thread, it stopped being a private message altogether; it’s public for everyone to see and read, and frankly, it was pure off-topic noise over there.

But anyway... as usual, Naja Naja didn't even bother reading this (the text Abraham wrote) and instead asks a totally nonsensical question (probably because she has me—and likely most of you—on her ignore list, so she misses half the posts anyway)... but hey, that’s just typical for her at this point.

The issue here isn't about people talking in DMs, chatting, or sharing different opinions. It becomes an actual problem when people manipulate reactions like that to coordinate "group" attacks on someone, or when they take advantage of the lack of moderation to wreck a perfectly good thread just to serve their own little interests.

On a side note—which is actually less important to me right now—is why Exotericon decided to drop that message into the thread in the first place, what his motives were, and whether he knew it could get him in trouble. Especially considering Abraham’s post from the day before, where he explicitly claimed that *I* am Exotericon.🤦 He was basically implying (along with Chillout) that I’m the one snooping around and posting people's private messages. But look, that stuff should be handled through the proper channels, following the forum rules and our community guidelines.
☕

What you just said—which was essentially what Nicin wrote when that cancer treatment thread was shut down—is the absolute truth. Everyone should get exactly what they deserve, by "deserve" I mean their fair share. But we really need to clean things up. Let's sweep the boards, tidy up, and if necessary, close or delete certain threads. If doing that helps improve the sub-forum and encourages more civilized discussions, then why on earth wouldn't we?