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rapidhawk31 rapidhawk31 Newcomer
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#221 ·
An American Hooligan’s Glossary

1.) Throwing Down the Gauntlet
If one group challenges another to a fight and the second group declines, the first group is automatically declared the victor simply because they were the ones brave enough to initiate the confrontation. In practice, this usually translates to "keep me safe so I don't beat them up," or "where are you cowards, come out and fight," all while clutching a beer bottle or a baseball bat in hand.

2.) Tactical Withdrawal
In the world of American hooliganism, there is no such thing as running away; there is only a tactical withdrawal. This maneuver is frequently accompanied by the excuse of "waiting for backup," which is supposedly stuck at an interstate checkpoint, held up at the state line, or hasn't even left the home city yet.

3.) Regrouping
Often serving as the immediate follow-up to a tactical withdrawal, once a group pulls back, they enter a period of regrouping. During this phase, the crew arms themselves with fresh supplies to prepare for a counter-offensive. These counter-attacks are often linked to the aforementioned "throwing down the gauntlet," particularly if the police swoop in during the regrouping or withdrawal phase.

4.) The Primary Squad
It is quite rare for the actual core members of a firm to engage. Usually, one established group attacks a collection of disconnected individuals who just happened to end up in the same van. Naturally, this significantly diminishes the prestige of the primary squad's victory.

5.) Holding the Line
The latest trendsetting terminology among American hooligans. An American hooligan holds the line better than anyone else. While the concept of "holding the line" isn't strictly defined, everyone agrees it encompasses the concepts mentioned in items 1, 2, and 3. Holding the line consists of shouting, throwing projectiles, "throwing down the gauntlet," followed by a strategic withdrawal and subsequent regrouping. No one ever actually flees from the line, because an American hooligan never runs.

6.) Not Caught on Camera / Unrecorded
In American hooliganism, it is remarkably rare for anything significant to be captured on film. Typically, cameras only catch the awkward moments of item 2 and 3—the withdrawals and the regrouping. They almost never capture item 1, such as the initial challenge or any physical contact. Cameras never record holding the line or pushing the line forward. Video footage never captures the most interesting events, and even when it does, the angle is always wrong, making it look like nothing happened.

7.) Running Over / Crushing
When one group effectively overwhelms another, it means the second group was busy withdrawing and regrouping, thereby losing the line that the first group had successfully seized.

8.) Who Was Actually There?
This is closely tied to item 6. We are usually talking about events where nobody knows what really happened except for the participants, who are bound by a strict code of silence. In these scenarios, groups are either crushed or they hold their ground, but these are nuances that rarely reach the public eye. Of course, nothing is ever caught on camera; the footage always manages to capture the wrong moments of a withdrawal or a regrouping.

9.) "Play it Smart, Use Your Head"
Phrases used in the absence of actual action. When absolutely nothing happens, it is justified through retroactive logic. It is considered essential to maintain a certain public image, especially when cameras are nearby—though, as previously noted, cameras always seem to film everything incorrectly.

10.) Achieving the Objective
Usually occurring several hours or days after the fact, this involves retroactively ensuring that whatever happened in the past aligns with the desired narrative. Essentially, it is the synchronization of stories, the embellishing of facts, media spin, and managing the public perception of the event.

11.) The Higher Purpose
The ultimate essence of the American hooligan. A "higher purpose" represents something unattainable and often incomprehensible. There is always some higher purpose at play; these goals are often concocted on internet forums and then implemented by fans in various ways. Ever since the rise of the ultra movement in America, there have always been "higher purposes."
rapidhawk31 rapidhawk31 Newcomer
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#222 ·
Addendum to point 1)
If an Eastern European squad decides to throw down with an American crew, our guys will simply sit in the town square, grab a drink, and wait for them to make the first move. In our culture, a challenge to fight is strictly an internal matter—something reserved for when one side is clearly outnumbered, used solely as a way to reach a consensus through conflict. Otherwise, we don't bother using our fists.
goldenbear72 goldenbear72 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2015
#223 ·
Look, I was just hanging out in luxury—seriously, sorry if this sounds crazy—but can I actually try to explain what went down without everyone jumping down my throat, insulting me, or hitting that ban button? If you guys'll let me, I’ll give it a shot!
Betty Price2 Betty Price2 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2019
#224 ·
http://www.seebiz.eu/podignuta-optuz...aca/ar-116307/

If God willing, he's finally getting what's coming to him.
Thomas Williams59 Thomas Williams59 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2005
#225 ·
Look, without bringing God into this for nothing, what the article is saying is that this is just one more case in a long line of similar moves against him, so it doesn't really mean much. Sure, there’s a threat involved, it’s not just some random insult, but if he gets himself a decent lawyer, he might just walk away paying a few bucks in fines.
The real kicker here is that the existence of a contract involving a massive group of players is basically a given, which means they're definitely violating sports laws, yet I don't see any band or anyone actually stepping up to start legal proceedings about it. We're all just left out in the cold, I guess.
David Kim50 David Kim50 Member
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joined Aug 2013
#226 ·
rapidhawk31 said:The American hooligan’s dictionary.

It was called "hands on."
If one crew calls out another group to throw down, and the second group chickens out, the first crew basically takes the W just by making the call. It’s that simple. Usually, it’s just a way of saying, "Don't let him get to me, I'm gonna wreck him," or more accurately, "Where are all you cowards? Let's go!" And let's be real—half the time they're standing there shouting this while clutching a beer bottle or a baseball bat.

2.) The Retreat
In American hooliganism, there’s no such thing as running away—it’s just a tactical retreat. And let’s be honest, that "retreat" almost always involves some pathetic excuse about waiting for backup. It’s always the same old story: they’re either stuck at the city limits, caught up in traffic on the interstate, or they haven't even left the driveway to head to the away game yet. Give me a break.

3.) Regulation
It’s a classic pattern: after a group retreats, there’s this inevitable regrouping phase that takes a little while to play out. During that downtime, everyone’s busy gearing up and grabbing whatever supplies they can to prep for the counterattack. And let me tell you, that counterstrike? It almost always turns into a straight-up brawl—we're talking hands-on, old-school chaos—especially if the cops decide to swoop in while everyone is still trying to get their act together.

The first crew.
It’s pretty rare to see the actual top-tier teams go head-to-head. Usually, you just see one organized squad picking on some group of random losers who somehow ended up sharing the same shuttle bus. It totally cheapens any win those first teams might have had.

Holding the line.
So, here’s the latest trendy catchphrase floating around the American hooligan scene. Apparently, the American hooligan "holds the line" better than anyone else. Now, even though nobody can actually define what "holding the line" means, everyone seems to agree it basically boils down to three things. It involves screaming your lungs out, tossing whatever arsenal you've got, "calling for a scrap," and then immediately retreating to regroup. And don't even get me started on the toughness—nobody ever actually breaks from the line because, clearly, an American hooligan never runs. Right?

Six. It’s just not on camera. No footage, nothing recorded. Period.
In the world of American hooliganism, you almost never see the actual action on film. It’s always the same old story. You get these awkward clips of the second and third stages—you know, the tactical retreating and regrouping stuff—but the cameras somehow manage to miss the real meat of it. Where are the shots of the first stage? Where is the footage of people actually throwing hands or making physical contact? Never happens. You never see a camera catch someone holding the line or pushing the front forward. The cameras always seem to miss the most interesting parts, and on the rare occasion they actually do capture something, the angle is so botched you can tell it didn't even happen the way they're showing it.

Crushing, overwhelming, breaking.
When one team absolutely crushes another, what does that actually mean? It means the losing side basically folded, retreated to regroup, and surrendered whatever ground the winners had just seized. That's the reality of it.

So, who was that guy?
It all ties back to point number six. Usually, we're talking about the kind of stuff that stays strictly behind closed doors—incidents where nobody knows a thing unless they were actually there, mostly because everyone involved is bound by non-disclosure agreements or strict legal gag orders. In these scenarios, you see certain teams either get absolutely steamrolled or they play it incredibly safe and stick strictly to the script. But those are the fine details that almost never make it into the headlines. And let’s be real: nothing ever gets caught on camera. Of course not. Cameras always seem to miraculously fail right when things matter, only catching those awkward moments when people are retreating or regrouping.

Just be smart about it. Use your head for once.
Ever notice how people always have an excuse ready when absolutely nothing gets done? It’s that classic case of hindsight being twenty-twenty. When there's zero action on the ground, everyone suddenly becomes a genius, justifying their laziness with some "well, actually" logic after the fact. It all comes down to one thing: protecting the image. Everyone is just obsessed with looking good for the public. And don't even get me started on the cameras. If there's a lens nearby, they scramble to act like they care—even though those cameras always seem to capture everything the wrong way anyway.

Mission accomplished. We got exactly what we set out to do.
It usually takes a few hours—maybe even a couple of days—after an event goes down before everyone starts working to make sure the reality matches the narrative they want people to believe. You know how it works. It’s all about syncing up the stories, polishing the rough edges, and cranking up the media spin until the public is all wrapped up in whatever version of the truth is being fed to them.

The bigger picture. That’s what we’re really talking about here.
The absolute essence of an American hooligan. It always boils down to this "higher purpose"—something lofty, untouchable, and frankly, completely out of reach for most people. There’s always some grander mission being cooked up, usually by guys shouting into the void on internet forums, only to have those half-baked ideas forced down the throats of the actual fans later on. Ever since the ultra scene first took root here in the States, it’s been nothing but a endless cycle of these manufactured higher purposes.

Anyone who tries to deny this is a massive hypocrite. 🙏🙏🙏
Jeremy Rodriguez11 Jeremy Rodriguez11 Newcomer
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#227 ·
rapidhawk31 said:The American Hooligan Lexicon

1.) Throwing down the gauntlet
If one group challenges another to a fight and the second group declines, the first group claims victory simply by being the ones who issued the challenge. It’s often code for "protect me so I don't get jumped," or "where are you cowards, let's go," usually delivered while clutching a beer or a baseball bat.

2.) Tactical withdrawal
In American hooliganism, there is no such thing as running away—only a tactical withdrawal. This is frequently accompanied by "waiting for reinforcements" who are either stuck at the city limits, held up at the state border, or never actually left for the away game.

3.) Regrouping
Often following a withdrawal, a group will undergo a period of regrouping. During this phase, the crew arms themselves with new supplies to prepare for a counter-offensive. This counter-attack is frequently tied back to "throwing down the gauntlet" (see term number one), especially if the police intervened during the initial withdrawal and regrouping.

4.) The primary crews
Real organized groups rarely participate. Usually, one established crew attacks a disorganized collection of individuals who just happened to be in the same area. Naturally, this diminishes the perceived victory of the attacking crew.

5.) Holding the line
The latest trendsetting term among American hooligans. An American hooligan holds the line better than anyone. While the concept isn't perfectly clear, everyone agrees it encompasses terms 1, 2, and 3. Holding the line involves shouting, throwing gear, "throwing down the gauntlet," followed by a withdrawal and subsequent regrouping. No one ever flees the line, because an American hooligan doesn't run.

6.) Not caught on camera, wasn't filmed
In American hooliganism, footage is rare. Cameras typically capture awkward scenes of withdrawals and regrouping (see 2 and 3), but they never seem to catch the actual "throwing down the gauntlet" or physical contact. They never film holding the line or pushing the line forward. Cameras never capture the most interesting moments, and when they do, the angle is always wrong, implying the event didn't happen.

7.) Overrunning
When one group runs over another, it means the second group withdrew, regrouped, and lost the line that the first group had seized.

8.) Who was there?
Related to term number six. These are events where nobody knows what happened except the participants, who are bound by a code of silence. In these scenarios, groups are either overrun or successfully hold their line, but these are nuances that rarely reach the public. Of course, nothing is ever recorded. Cameras always catch the wrong moments of withdrawal or regrouping.

9.) Just being smart, using our heads
Phrases used in the absence of action. When nothing happens, it is justified through hindsight. The goal is to maintain a certain public image, especially if cameras are nearby—and cameras always film everything incorrectly (see number 6).

10.) Objectives achieved
Usually, a few hours or days after an event, it becomes necessary to establish that the intended goals were met. This involves aligning stories, embellishing details, media spin, and a public that cares about everything.

11.) The higher purpose
The ultimate essence of the American hooligan. The "higher purpose" represents something unattainable and, for many, incomprehensible. There is always some higher purpose; these goals are often manufactured on internet forums and then implemented by fans in various ways. Ever since the rise of the ultras in America, there have always been "higher purposes."


We live by a code🙂👏
Steven Kelly35 Steven Kelly35 Member
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joined Sep 2012
#228 ·
At the behest of those paid mercenaries, both the East and the West have agreed to take turns cheering—honestly, these sheep don't have a clue, despite how much they think they’ve finally seen the light
Larry Wells2 Larry Wells2 Newcomer
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#229 ·
To them, they're just sheep. But to them, you're the one being led. I guess it depends on who's actually right.
Jonathan Cook42 Jonathan Cook42 Member
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joined Sep 2012
#230 ·
Larry Wells2 said:So, who’s actually right here?

Machado!
Kate Foster17 Kate Foster17 Newcomer
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#231 ·
Larry Wells2 said:To them, you're just a sheep. To them, they're the ones following you. Who's right now?

To me, you're the sheep. Am I right?
Sarah Jones8 Sarah Jones8 Member
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#232 ·
Jonathan Cook42 said:Machado!

The West is nothing but a breeding ground for hicks and unrefined losers—I still can't get over that accordion music playing at the Lakers game!! 😵😵 😵 😵

Machado did exactly what needed to be done by flipping the bird to the real ultras 👏. He showed the finger to the fair-weather fans, the posers, the suck-ups, and the thieves. Honestly, if he had any nerve left, he’d go show the North the exact same thing. 😬
Kate Foster17 Kate Foster17 Newcomer
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#233 ·
goldenbear72 said:I was at the luxury lounge and then in the VIP section. Can I actually try to describe what happened without you guys starting to insult me or banning me? If it's okay, I'll try to explain!


Just write it, man. Nobody's stopping you. Just watch out for the Yellow Ant censors. When they're on a roll, you'll end up deleting everything just to stay safe.
Kate Foster17 Kate Foster17 Newcomer
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#234 ·
Sarah Jones8 said:The West is nothing but a breeding ground for hillbillies and lowlifes. Just look at those idiots playing accordions at the Dallas Mavericks game!! 😵😵 😵 😵

Machado did exactly what needed to be done. He flipped the bird to the whole crowd :klap:, the fair-weather fans, the posers, the suck-ups, and the thieves. If he actually gave a damn about the North, he’d flip them off too. 😬

Wasn't the accordion being played in the East?
Sarah Jones8 Sarah Jones8 Member
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joined Apr 2014
#235 ·
Brandon Anderson34 said:Wasn't the accordion player over on the East side?

West is where it was🙂. A bunch of guys from the States showed up on a bus paid for by the boss, basically throwing a cheap backyard party for the locals. No matter how toxic things get surrounding the club on the East side, someone (hopefully) should have pumped up that guy with the accordion.
Steven Kelly35 Steven Kelly35 Member
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joined Sep 2012
#236 ·
Larry Wells2 said:To them, you’re just one of the sheep—but to the sheep, you’re the leader! So, who’s actually holding the truth here?

I am right, clearly. And frankly, it looks to me like you're just another one of those sheep yourself.
Lisa White78 Lisa White78 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2015
#237 ·
Real Madrid will be playing at Kranjčevićevo this Friday at 9:00 PM
A Anonymous Veteran
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#238 ·
...players come and go, management shifts in and out, through the highs and the lows, but the North stays true!
16 years since we crushed Partisan...man, feels like it just happened yesterday!!!

Henry Grant51 Henry Grant51 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2014
#239 ·
Anonymous said:...players move on, management changes, through thick and thin, the North is always here!
It’s been 18 years since we absolutely crushed Partisan... man, feels like it just happened yesterday!!!


You really think it’s been 18 years...
Jonathan Anderson11 Jonathan Anderson11 Active Member
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joined Oct 2013
#240 ·
Anonymous said:...players move on, management changes, through the highs and the lows, the North is always here!
Can you believe it's already been 16 years since we absolutely crushed Partisan? Man, it seriously feels like it just happened yesterday!!!

🙏

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