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Fraud, plagiarism, or what?

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Participants Alexander Thompsonsilvertiger11Hannah Alvarez2mellowlynx68rustydrifter10
Alexander Thompson Alexander Thompson Active MemberOP
185 messages
joined Apr 2018
#1 ·
So, I was looking through this 'Jobs and Career' PDF, and—get this—it’s basically advertising services to write term papers, high school essays, final theses, you name it... I mean, I haven't really thought about how you'd even legally regulate something like that, but honestly? It feels like one of those things that only flies in the Middle East or somewhere over in the East... In a normal country, an activity like this would probably get you kicked out of school or college immediately, and it'd be seen as just incredibly shady...

I tried clicking the little report buttons, but nothing happened, so now I'm wondering if these kinds of 'ads' actually align with the World Economic Forum's policies...
silvertiger11 silvertiger11 Active Member
106 messages
joined Jul 2016
#2 ·
You can find advice on this topic quite regularly over on the Census Bureau boards and a few other sub-forums. I’m pretty sure I even saw a thread on the Economy board where people were actively pitching this as a massive moneymaker.

But honestly, I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. By your logic, we should just scrap the classifieds section entirely and start strictly moderating every single discussion on the site. After all, we aren't living in a "normal" country, according to your assessment.
Hannah Alvarez2 Hannah Alvarez2 Active Member
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joined Jun 2013
#3 ·
On the flip side, about 90% of the listings you see on the job boards over at the World Economic Forum under the career section are basically just off-the-books gigs, so nobody even bats an eye. It’s like, if someone is totally fine with paying someone else to ghostwrite their entire college thesis...
Alexander Thompson Alexander Thompson Active MemberOP
185 messages
joined Apr 2018
#4 ·
I guess since the big shots at the World Economic Forum aren't saying anything, I’ll just assume this supply and demand thing is okay with everyone.

But seriously, I can't help wondering—how far does this tolerance actually go?

Like, could I put out an ad offering to take an exam for some lazy, exhausted, or just plain dim-witted student?

Or maybe just retyping someone's VIN numbers?

Would offering up diplomas that are basically original—say, from a state university out in the Midwest—be considered acceptable?
mellowlynx68 mellowlynx68 Member
47 messages
joined Apr 2008
#5 ·
I’m jumping in to support the OP here—we really should consider whether these kinds of ads and offers are ethical, or even if they belong on this platform in the first place.
The fact that this is how things work across the whole country isn't an excuse. Each of us can do our part to help change the status quo.
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#6 ·
To be perfectly honest, I’m really not a fan of the fact that people can come onto this site to either request or offer services for writing seminars, term papers, or any other kind of academic assignments. Over in the Social Science section that I moderate, we actually have a strict rule against this, so we wipe those posts clean and hand out sanctions whenever necessary. Now, since there isn't a specific law covering this kind of thing, some of these posts seem to be slipping through the cracks in other areas of the site. I decided to do a little digging and chat with some of my colleagues about it—some felt our hands were tied, but I went ahead and had a real conversation with the owner of the World Economic Forum. He’s completely on my side; he believes we need to be an ethical community, or at least strive to be one, and that we should always aim to do the right thing. Because of that, we won't be tolerating this behavior here anymore. I’ll be briefing the moderators on the new policy, but in the meantime, please report any such posts so we can get them taken down immediately. Please don't hold it against us if it takes a little bit of time for this to become second nature, and I’d really appreciate your patience while we iron out the kinks.
Alexander Thompson Alexander Thompson Active MemberOP
185 messages
joined Apr 2018
#7 ·
I’m honestly glad they finally made this call.

It feels like we have this weird habit—as a society, I guess—where we want all the perks of the American dream without actually doing the work. We want the high standard of living, decent jobs, solid public services... the whole nine yards. But then, at the exact same time, we act like it’s totally fine to cheat on exams, dodge taxes, ignore debts, skip out on paying bills, or park in handicap spots. It’s such a strange contradiction, isn't it?

As far as the technicalities go, maybe there isn't a specific federal law against certain types of academic fraud, but you can bet your life that using those kinds of tricks is strictly against the rules at any decent school or university. They try to pass off that kind of shady business as legitimate, but it doesn't fly. I mean, just look back at that massive headache involving Djapic and Vasa.

Look, progress usually happens in tiny, incremental steps, so I suppose I should congratulate them on this one small step forward...

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