Chicago Blackhawks fans

Robin Anderson8 said:But look, we can actually put enough pressure on them to force a change to that specific law because it’s just fundamentally broken. It’s not even sane. They only seem to enforce it against us whenever it suits their agenda, while everyone else is out there acting like total hooligans, swinging at each other in the streets, and nobody even bats an eye...

Robin Anderson8 said:But maybe we could push to get that legislative item changed, because it isn't exactly normal... especially since it seems to be applied only to us whenever it suits them, while everyone else just acts out without any consequences at all..

Joshua Moore31;52417690 said:Like I said, this happens every other month, so here we go again. The lawyer mentioned several times that we can't tear down these blacklists, and today Borovec finally gave us the official word on it. Between them and the FBI, the club could basically hand-pick whoever they want, which just means our hands are tied. Torcida ran into them for the first time, so everyone’s still processing it, but that’s just how the game is played. Luckily, for now, they only use those lists at Dodger Stadium.

Torcida went up against it for the first time and held their own pretty damn well (so far)...
They've kicked up a massive storm all across the US. Meanwhile, back in the day, when the BBB guys reacted to those same kinds of lists, all they did was stir up trouble around the very group "running" things—two neighborhoods in the city, a couple of local news sites, and eventually, they just faded away.
And right there, you see it from the jump: Torcida is something MUCH BIGGER and more powerful...

ruggedcanyon2 said:And honestly, all us fans are just getting screwed over by this constant hesitation and playing it safe while we face the reality that we might not even be allowed into any stadium for a year, two years, or however long it takes... it doesn't really matter...That sense of pride is going to end up ruining everything for us....

EDIT: I guess if it isn't technically illegal, could it still be considered unconstitutional if it violates our freedom of movement?

Jack Sullivan90;52418120 said:

Joshua Moore31 said:I’m telling you, this happens every other month, so here we go again. The lawyer said multiple times that we can't tear down these blacklists, and today Borovec gave his official confirmation. With the FBI involved, the club can basically compile them however they want, which means our hands are completely tied. It was the first time Torcida really went up against them, so everyone's impressions are still fresh, but that's just how it is. Fortunately, for now, they only use them at Dodger Stadium.

Torcida faced off against them for the first time and pushed through quite well (so far)...
It stirred up a massive storm across the entire US, whereas when the BBB reacted to those same lists in the past, it just caused a ruckus regarding the group itself—you know, the guys who "run" things, occupying two blocks in the city and one and a half news outlets, before eventually fading away.
And right there, you see from the very beginning that Torcida is something MUCH BIGGER and more snaznije...

Why the hell are we even whining about this?

Joshua Moore31 said:I’m telling you, this happens every other month, and it’ll happen again. The lawyer said multiple times we can't break these blacklists, and today Borovec finally gave his official word on it. Working alongside the FBI, the club basically gets to handpick them—meaning our hands are tied. It’s the first time Torcida has really run into them, so everyone is still processing it, but that’s just how the game is played. Luckily, for now, they only operate at Dodger Stadium.

Jack Sullivan90 said:The Torcida stepped up to this kind of thing for the first time and they handled it pretty damn well, for the most part...
They basically stirred up a massive storm across the entire US, whereas back in the day, when the BBB reacted to those same lists, all they did was kick up dust around that specific group that "runs" things—you know, the crew that dominates two quarters of the local scene and a couple of news sites before eventually fizzling out.
And honestly, you can tell right from the jump that Torcida is something much BIGGER and more POWERFUL...

Jack Sullivan90 said:I suppose she did react, though maybe not as strongly as they did regarding the vouchers (she practically drove the whole narrative while the other groups just nodded along and waited for the next move from Torcida itself) since his lists don't even really affect them directly. I guess only a small portion of them actually understood what blacklists meant, whereas most people didn't even know they existed until recently.

Joshua Moore31 said:Released just an hour after those vouchers were approved.

"We expect all American supporter groups to reject this practice. It’s not just prone to manipulation by the police or any USSF leadership and club officials... it's a massive tool for anyone looking to clear fans out of our stadiums altogether."

Mark Carter10 said:III. PROTECTION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS
1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
2. PERSONAL AND POLITICAL LIBERTIES AND RIGHTS
Article 22.
Human freedom and personality are inviolable.
No one shall have their freedom taken away or restricted, except where provided by law, as determined by a court.

>>> excerpt from the US Constitution

4. The question remains for the Supreme Court to answer: is Article 34.a of the ZosnŠN proportionate to the legitimate goal it seeks to achieve?

Starting from the established legitimacy of state intervention in individual rights—when it is undeniably proven that a certain individual was explicitly threatening constitutional values such as respect for the freedoms and rights of others, the legal order, public morality, or public health—the Supreme Court determines that the public interest and the right of other people to attend sporting events without interference or danger outweigh individual interests. Therefore, according to the Supreme Court's assessment, the contested preventive measure is proportionate to its legitimate goal.

Sarah Stewart6 said:What’s with all this noise over something that’s been sitting right in front of us for two and a half years? When people actually started asking valid questions—like why we aren't seeing vouchers or why there isn't any personalization—everyone just rolled their eyes or brushed it off. They’d claim we were being watched anyway, or that "the higher-ups already have everything under control without needing vouchers."

Joshua Moore31 said:It wouldn't just die out. You guys would be the first ones jumping at the chance to grab vouchers, just like you do when there's a sale on groceries.

Jack Sullivan90 said:I see. Are you talking about our veterans and those die-hard fans from the big city?

Jonathan Edwards said:There’s honestly no point in trying to explain anything when more than half the crowd is blindly buying tickets through the Democratic Party, while certain people in the group are busy pushing their little agenda about using vouchers instead.