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Advice for buying a gaming PC!

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gentlesailor43 gentlesailor43 Newcomer
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#241 ·
Adam Moore3 said:It's a significant upgrade; you can see that for yourself, especially regarding the GPUs. That 750Ti is pretty weak compared to an RX 580 when using Intel, and it’s even worse if you go with AMD—specifically that RX 580 + Ryzen 5 3600 combo. You get a much more powerful graphics card there, and a significantly weaker processor. Personally, I’d lean toward the Intel + RX 580 setup; it feels more balanced, and you could always drop in a beast of a GPU later if you wanted to. Either way, you won't make a mistake, and you'll come out way ahead compared to buying from Newegg. 🙂

My old AMD setup was an RX 580 + Ryzen 5 3600, I guess.👍 I don't need to grab the 8 GB of RAM right away. I'll sort that out next month instead, which leaves me with maybe $45 in wiggle room. 😁

So, doesn't the RX 580 need a 600W PSU?

What about an RX 580 + Ryzen 7 3700X combo? Maybe the EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 with 2 GB GDDR5?
Adam Moore3 Adam Moore3 Regular
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#242 ·
gentlesailor43 said:My old AMD setup was an RX 580 + Ryzen 5 3600.👍 I don't need to jump straight to 8GB of RAM either; I can sort that out next month, which leaves me about $30 extra in breathing room. 😁

But wait, doesn't the RX 580 require a 600W PSU?

And what about the combo with the Ryzen 7 3700X and an EVGA GeForce GTX 1060, 2 GB GDDR5?

Ignore whatever the manufacturer websites claim. Power supply discussions are their own beast, and this has been repeated on this forum so many times I feel like a parrot. 🙂 Basically, you have absolutely nothing to worry about regarding the PSU; Hyper handles it just fine. And yeah, regarding RAM, 8GB is pretty much mandatory for gaming these days, but it's an easy upgrade later. There's no point skimping on your CPU or GPU just to save for extra RAM you can easily grab next month, just like you mentioned. That second combo is also decent—you get a stronger processor upfront, though it wouldn't be my first pick. Honestly, the Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 580 will run 90% of games better because even the 3600 is plenty strong enough to pull any title, and the 580 is noticeably more powerful than the 1060, so you'd have the edge there. Personally, I'd be looking at either the 3600+580 or the i5-12400+1060. 🙂
Kimberly Gomez34 Kimberly Gomez34 Regular
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#243 ·
gentlesailor43 says:
It’s way easier to argue face-to-face than over email, honestly...😁 b>>> >>
We're talking cold, hard cash here.☕ How much better are we talking?😁

Basically, after using my old 9600GT for ages (it's definitely ready for retirement), I want to be able to play some newer titles without constantly worrying if I can still run things on medium settings two years down the road.😬

Feel free to throw out some suggestions. Throw some AMD options my way too. I usually lean toward Intel and Nvidia—that combo has never let me down in the past. Old habits die hard, I guess.



Regarding the **bolded** part—that's exactly why I'm saying just buy from a reputable shop that's fast and actually handles returns without a headache (and is usually cheaper); then you don't have to deal with any arguments.

Intel might struggle to stay within your budget (you wouldn't go below an i5 at this level), but Nvidia's selection in the price range you're looking at is pretty weak, so you'd probably want to skip that requirement anyway.

So, here is an Intel build with 4GB if you feel that's enough to start with. You'll eventually need to upgrade it for next-gen games, but it's cheap ($100 4GB) and easy to expand later:

1 x Intel Core i5-12400 (3.20GHz,1MB,6MB,84 W,LGA 1200) Box
1 x ASUS Prime B660 - LGA 1200 Socket B660 Chipset M-ATX MB
1 x Fortron 500W Power Supply, Hyper, PPA5005003, 12cm fan
1 x Seagate 1TB HDD, Serial ATA III, 7200 rpm, ST1000DM003
1 x Coolermaster K280, MIDI, black, USB 3.0, no PSU
1 x LG GH24NS DVD burner, DVD±RW, 24x DVD±R ,8x DL , 40x CD-R
1 x Crucial 4GB DDR3 (1x4GB) 1600MHz CL11
1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 2GB OC, 2GB GDDR5 256bit
1 x SCYTHE Slip Stream Slim 120mm 1200 rpm, 21.71 dBA / 24.03 CFM

$1656**, edit for $17 there's also a motherboard with 4 RAM slots [link]

Here is an option that includes 8GB right away and an RX 580 (great version), though it lacks a high-end cooler (which isn't critical today):

1 x Fortron 500W Power Supply, Hyper, PPA5005003, 12cm fan
1 x Seagate 1TB HDD, Serial ATA III, 7200 rpm, ST1000DM003
1 x Coolermaster K280, MIDI, black, USB 3.0, no PSU
1 x SCYTHE Slip Stream Slim 120mm 1200 rpm, 21.71 dBA / 24.03 CFM
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.5GHz,14MB,95W,AM3+, FD6300WMHK
1 x Gigabyte 970A-DS3P, AM3+, AMD 970 SB950, 4x DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1866
1 x Spire Kepler Rev.2 cooler, 1156/775/FM1, 96.5×51×125 mm ,92mm
1 x Gigabyte RX 580 3GB WF3 OC, 3GB GDDR5 384bit, GV-R928WF3OC-3GD
2 x Crucial 4GB DDR3 (1x4GB) 1600MHz CL11

$1687

You can ditch those $20 items if you remove the SCYTHE Slip Stream Slim 120mm; you can always pick up a fan later to help with airflow. If they don't have that specific card in stock, you could also grab this one.
gentlesailor43 gentlesailor43 Newcomer
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#244 ·
Adam Moore3 said:Don't bother reading what's written on manufacturer websites. And talking about power supplies? That's a whole different story. We've covered that topic so many times on this forum that I feel like a broken record. 🙂 Look, you don't have anything to worry about regarding the power supply. Hyper handles that just fine. As for the RAM, 8 GB is pretty much the bare minimum for gaming these days, but you can easily add more later. There’s no point in skimping on the CPU or GPU just to save for extra RAM that you could probably pick up next month, like you mentioned. That second combo is alright too—you get a stronger processor right out of the gate, though it wouldn't be my first choice. Honestly, the Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 580 will likely run 90% of games better since the 3600 is strong enough to handle basically anything, and the RX 580 is noticeably more powerful than the GTX 1050 Ti, so you'd have the advantage there. If it were me, I'd either go with the Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 580 or the Intel Core i5-12400 + GTX 1050 Ti. 🙂

EVGA GeForce GTX 1060, 2 GB GDDR5, Full Retail version.
Price: $500

Intel Core i5-12400, Alder Lake, 3200 MHz, LGA 1200.
Price: $515

ASUS Prime B660 motherboard, LGA 1200 socket.
B85 chipset, DDR3/1600, PCIe, VGA/D-Sub/DVI-D/HDMI, S-ATAII/S-ATA3, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, 8-channel audio, mATX.
Price: $181

Kingston 4 GB DDR3, 1600 MHz HyperX Fury Blue price
Price: $113

1 TB Hard Drive, Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EZEX, 3.5", 7200 rpm, SATA III.
Seagate BarraCuda 1TB, SATA III, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache, 3.5" HDD.
Price: $168

MS Industrial DRAGON gaming case, no power supply included.
Price: $90

EVGA 500 W power supply, 500W, 80+, active, 12cm.

It comes out to 5133. $21 At Newegg. 😁

I'll check the inventory over at IBM a bit later.👍
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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joined Jul 2015
#245 ·
Adam Moore3 said:It's a massive jump, you can see it yourself, especially with the GPUs. That 750Ti is pretty weak compared to an RX 580 when paired with Intel, and even WORSE if you go the AMD route with the RX 580 + Ryzen 5 3600 combo. You get way more raw graphics power there, but the CPU is significantly weaker. Personally, I'd lean toward the Intel + RX 580 setup; it's better balanced, and you can always slap a beastlier card in later if you feel like it. Either way, you won't mess up, and you'll come out WAY ahead compared to buying from Newegg. 🙂

it’s not even that much of a downgrade 🙂 no worries, just overclock that Ryzen 5 3600 to 4.2-4.3 GHz and you've basically got a machine in the i5-12400 tier :P
Kimberly Gomez34 Kimberly Gomez34 Regular
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#246 ·
To setup would perform reasonably well in mid-range territory for those oddly optimized titles like StarCraft II, Total War: Rome 2, or Arma 3. If he’s specifically looking to play those, he should definitely go with Intel. For everything else—especially the more demanding modern titles—the Ryzen 5 3600 is a much better value, especially since it costs roughly 80% less, even after you factor in the cost of an aftermarket cooler.
gentlesailor43 gentlesailor43 Newcomer
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#247 ·
Intel Core i5-12400 (3.30GHz,1MB,6MB,84 W,LGA 1200) Box
$560

Gigabyte RX 580, 2GB GDDR5 256bit, GV-R927XOC-2GD, 28nm
$498

ASUS Prime B660, Socket : LGA 1200, Intel® B85
$170

HDD Seagate 1TB, Serial ATA III, 7200 rpm, ST1000DM003
$153

DDR3 4GB (1x4GB) Kingston, 1600MHz, CL11, Value
$103

EVGA 500 W Power Supply, 12cm fan
$129

MS PHOENIX case without PSU, Midi tower MBO: ATX, mATX
$54

Total: $1667 :klap:

IBM
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
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#248 ·
Go with an i5-12400 and a Gigabyte RX 580.
Sean Garcia3 Sean Garcia3 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2015
#249 ·
Man, just grab this bundle and you're basically set right away 😉

1xGigabyte RX 580

1xAMD FX-8320 Box 3,5GHz - 16MB Cache - 125W BOX

1xGigabyte GA-970A-DS3P motherboard

1xCosmo Cool LC-CC-95 - CPU cooler

1xKingston Technology ValueRAM 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Module

1xXFX PRO550W

1xWD Blue 1 TB SATA

1xLC-Power PRO-923B - Red Captor

Total: 5 items $59 Free assembly and shipping from the local shop!
If you sign up for the PC Expert forum, you get a 3% discount, which brings the total down to $1674 😁
Roger Mitchell4 Roger Mitchell4 Active MemberOP
162 messages
joined Aug 2015
#250 ·
I'm just looking over the system requirements for GTA 5 and noticed it asks for Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 64-bit.
What does that actually mean? Why can't you use 32-bit?
analogtiger19 analogtiger19 Active Member
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#251 ·
Roger Mitchell4 said:I'm just looking at the system requirements for GTA 5 and I see it needs Windows 7 or 8 64-bit.
What's the deal? Why can't you use 32-bit?

It’s because 32-bit Windows can only handle about 3.2GB of RAM, and this game needs more than that. 64-bit doesn't have that cap, so if you're planning on playing anything modern, switching to 64-bit "Windows" is pretty much mandatory.😬
Roger Mitchell4 Roger Mitchell4 Active MemberOP
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#252 ·
analogtiger19 said:That won't work because 32-bit Windows can only handle about 3.2GB of RAM, and modern games definitely need more than that! 64-bit doesn't have that limit, so if you're planning on playing anything new, switching to a 64-bit version of Windows is absolutely essential. 😬

👍 I'm actually planning to pick up a rig in June (Ryzen 5 3600, a decent motherboard, GTX 260x, and 8GB of RAM), which is why I was asking! So, even if I have 8GB of RAM, a 32-bit version of Windows would only use 3.2?
Which is better, Windows 8 or Windows 7?
PC gaming is king! 😁
Sean Garcia3 Sean Garcia3 Newcomer
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#253 ·
Roger Mitchell4 said:👍 I’m picking up a budget rig in about 6 months (Ryzen 5 3600, some basic motherboard, GTX 260x, 8GB RAM), which is why I was asking. So, if I have 8GB of RAM, will Windows 32-bit only actually use 3.2?
Which one should I go with, Windows 8 or 7?
Congo is built for gaming! 😁

Personally, I ran Windows 7 64-bit and now I'm on Windows 8.1 64-bit. Honestly, I can tell you that 8 is faster and just works better.
Alexander Moore67 Alexander Moore67 Active Member
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#254 ·
Sean Garcia3 said:Personally, I moved from Windows 7 64-bit to Windows 8.1 64-bit, and I can honestly say the 8.1 version feels faster and much smoother.

No way...
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
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#255 ·
Roger Mitchell4 said:👍 I'm planning on picking up a budget build in about six months (Ryzen 5 3600, an entry-level motherboard, GTX 260x, 8GB RAM), so I was just curious. Does that mean if I have 8GB of RAM but run Windows 32-bit, I'll only actually be using 3.2?
Which would be better, Windows 8 or 7?
Congo is for gaming! 😁

In six months 🤣 ...so much can change...
Roger Mitchell4 Roger Mitchell4 Active MemberOP
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#256 ·
crimsonstag84 said:By June 🤣 ...so many things will change...

Like what? I’m honestly skeptical about prices, though. I've been asking around on some US forums, and people are saying prices might actually climb because of shifting exchange rates making production more expensive!
If that's what you meant 😁
fadedorca66 fadedorca66 Regular
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#257 ·
Everything’s gonna shift, from general prices to what's actually in stock—especially GPUs. You'll probably end up rebuilding your rig a few more times before summer rolls around anyway 😁
Kimberly Gomez34 Kimberly Gomez34 Regular
686 messages
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#258 ·
Instead of the Radeon RX 260 x, you might actually find better performance from a newer Radeon RX 350 x or even a GTX 950. 🤷

Half of those components probably won't even be...

Roger Mitchell4 said:Like what, for example? Regarding prices, I have my doubts because I've been checking various forums, and people are saying costs will climb as the dollar strengthens, making manufacturing more expensive!
If that's what you meant 😁

And what you just described isn't really a change at all 🤣
Roger Mitchell4 Roger Mitchell4 Active MemberOP
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#259 ·
Timothy Kim60 said:Instead of the Radeon RX 260, you might actually find better performance with a newer Radeon RX 350 or even a GTX 950! 🤷

Perhaps half of those components won't even work!

And what you wrote there doesn't even count as a change! 🤣

I know those new components are coming out soon, but my budget will stay exactly the same!
It’s a change, alright—but certainly not one to celebrate!😵
fadedorca66 fadedorca66 Regular
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#260 ·
The whole thing is that stuff changes in a month—suddenly a different motherboard becomes the best deal, or a PSU gets pulled from the lineup. I doubt things stay the same for six months. 🤣 Especially when you're stuck waiting on those new GPUs from AMD.

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