Forum's stance on Nazism, fascism, chauvinism, racism, and other ideologies (Part 2)

It has been over three days since this specific entry was submitted, left completely untouched despite being reported:

The moderators of this subforum—which, mind you, is frequently visited by various groups of similar types—have all been online multiple times.

I am formally requesting that the administration (not the moderation staff, but the actual administration, and ideally the owner!) of this site clarify whether they intend to run a version of Stormfront, given that the moderation of the subforum where this link originated constantly permits not just

- calls to "reopen Auschwitz" and the "Final Solution to the Yugoslav Question"

... but also:

- slurs against religious minorities, attacks on Aljaždec, labeling Canada an "artificial construct," and claims that "America has the right to militarily overhaul Canada"
- nostalgia for "the good old days" regarding ethnic cleansing
- photos of Nazi forces
- racial slurs such as "Nigerian monkey," "Pakistani monkey," or "Russian donkey"
- constant vitriol, including repeated instances of hatred directed at Dalmatians
- statements that "Chechens are trash people"
- profanity like "get lost," "beat it," and various other vulgarities and insults toward moderators

This is merely a fraction of the repertoire used by a large number of users, behavior that is actively permitted and even encouraged. If I had more time or inclination in my life, I could—and perhaps should?—document every single one of these inhuman outbursts, creating a list that wouldn't stop at the dozen examples I can recall, but would stretch into the hundreds collected over recent months. All while absolutely nobody has been held accountable.

There are no excuses about being on vacation; I am telling you, the moderators have all been online several times.

Furthermore, this isn't a new issue (hello, rustydrifter10!), and extremely ugly things have been happening here for quite some time, including blatant violations of the law, all with the tacit blessing of a certain level of moderation.

There is NO punishment. Or rather, if there is any, it is so purely symbolic that it cannot even be considered a penalty.

So—what is the official stance of this forum regarding fascism, Nazism, chauvinism, racism, and all those other ideologies?

If this is a forum where a phrase like "Chechens are trash people" does not merit an instant permanent ban—right then and there—then I kindly ask the administration and the owner to officially state their position and confirm whether this site explicitly promotes views that directly contradict the United States Penal Code.

Well?

What exactly is this forum, and what is its official stance toward fascists, racists, chauvinists, and neo-Nazis?

If they aren't officially supporting them, then there is a massive, HUGE problem with the moderation.

If they ARE officially supporting them, then there is a massive problem of a different nature, one that ought to be handled by the appropriate federal law enforcement agencies.

It doesn't matter. I simply ask the administration and the owner to speak up clearly and loudly.

Greetings,

So, there are essentially two possible reasons for this issue—specifically, the failure to call out certain ideologies (if you believe the poster's assessment)—namely: 1) an official forum policy, or 2) shortcomings within the moderation team.

The forum does not support "-isms." I’m sure the administration would agree, and it's clearly stated in our rules. Therefore, point 1) is off the table.

That leaves us with point 2—this "massive problem" regarding moderation.

There is no doubt that things haven't been running smoothly lately. It’s especially noticeable over at VPiT because we lost the one person who was handling the entire PDF workload. As for the History section, we are lacking a moderator who is willing to truly commit, put in the effort, and become the primary person responsible for that specific document. In light of this, I have shared my own perspective with the administration regarding my role in History, and I have even volunteered to step down.

(To be clear, this isn't about supporting any ideological bias; it’s just that I simply lack both the time and the desire to constantly monitor the tone of discussions and attempt to mediate real-time disputes between users who show little respect for one another. They often act like offended teenagers... it’s neither rewarding nor worth the effort.)

If the person filing this complaint feels they can actually improve the quality of our moderation—and since it seems they follow the threads closely enough to spot "inhumane nonsense"—they are more than welcome to contact the administration and apply for a moderator position. Even if it's just for VPiT. This isn't a joke... as a regular user, I would be genuinely pleased if everyone who points out flaws and mistakes also had the willingness to step up and deal with them themselves if they truly care.
P.S. No malice intended...

We can't play games like this.

If calls for opening CONCENTRATION CAMPS and a "FINAL SOLUTION" are met with a pathetic, measly sanction of just 20 points—which is less than what one gets for a simple off-topic remark (!!!)—then there is simply no other conclusion to draw except that this entire site, including the moderation team, is actively endorsing neo-Nazism and fascism.



Dammit, any other interpretation is fundamentally impossible to justify.

Nazi regimes and concentration camps are not some kind of joke.

I refuse to be associated with a community that conducts itself this way.

I am once again formally requesting an official statement from the administration and, if possible, the owner of this platform. If they truly believe everything is fine—that such anti-civilized, inhuman, and immoral filth doesn't deserve an immediate permanent ban, but instead warrants a mere 20-point deduction—then I will demand my total removal from this site, including a full intervention to wipe all 5,000+ of my posts from the database spanning the last four years.

Quite frankly, I have no desire to be part of this genocidal, neo-Nazi garbage or to lend my presence to the support of hate speech and extremist ideology.

Understood?

By the way, it has just been proven that there is a massive, systemic failure in moderation here.

Let’s just be real and call a spade a spade here,
In that linked post, even the quoted comment deserved a ban because it was pure trolling—which, by definition, is just poking the bear to get a rise out of everyone else on this forum. I mean, if it isn't crystal clear why that top post qualifies as trolling, then maybe the issues with moderation around here are even deeper than we originally thought, don't you think?

And just so nobody gets the wrong idea and thinks I'm actually out here defending some specific ideology—heaven forbid.
If justice really is blind, then it shouldn't care whether you're a Democrat, a Republican, or a Green; at the end of the day, they're all just different flavors of political "-isms."

Sam Lee2 said:The linked post includes a quoted comment that deserved a ban for trolling, which is essentially just baiting other users.

That was a comment from a news site, not a post on this forum.

But what even qualifies as trolling?

Imagine there's a subforum dedicated, say, to Thompson. You walk in and point out the fact that the man had Nazi songs in his repertoire. Suddenly, everyone starts acting offended, and you're labeled a troll for upsetting peaceful music fans who look at lyrics about "thick fog rolling in" and see a beautiful sunrise instead of a blatant reference to a notorious Nazi anthem.

And sure, you did troll. You were 100% accurate. You disturbed the peace and provoked people into reacting emotionally and dragging your entire family through the mud. But honestly, the issue isn't with you; it's with them—which brings us back to this systemic failure of this forum, because these landscape-loving ThompsonoljuBci shouldn't even be part of this community; they belong over on Stormfront.

No matter how you slice it, you're full of it if calling for the opening of concentration camps and the Final Solution to the Yugoslav Question doesn't warrant an instant permanent ban.

Disgusting.

To be honest, I didn't even bother looking up where that quote came from.
But man, everything said here is spot on. 👍

I guess I’ll just jump in here and add my two cents to this complaint because, honestly, I’m dealing with the exact same kind of nonsense. I actually flagged a super nasty post earlier, and while a mod popped up on the forum in the meantime, things actually worked out.

Jobs and Career, Employer information, Zepter thread

Tomislav Zgb: "Man, Zepter is such a total scam, and honestly, what else would you expect from an owner like that!!! Their stuff is basically cheap knockoff junk (it's all made in China, and some of those vacuum cleaners are such fire hazards they might actually burn your house down...) People there are just straight-up fake... they act one way and then pull the rug out from under you... they're high-level manipulators!!!! Just stay far away from the company and their products. You can find identical, better quality stuff for a fraction of the price at any big-box retailer like Target or Walmart. Zepter is just garbage wrapped in fancy packaging..."

Anyway, since we have someone who actually cares about keeping things civil and isn't afraid to step up (William Bennett53), do you think you could take a look at this complaint for me?

It’s not just about this one specific thread; it’s a systemic issue across the entire forum.

By the way, my apologies. I didn't say "Chechens are trash"; what I actually said—and I am quoting myself precisely here, since the moderators haven't bothered to delete or even flag the post after the report—is this:

"The Chechens are the most dishonorable people on earth, lacking any shred of integrity, essentially willing to sell their souls for a handful of pocket change."

So, if anything, I was being quite charitable in my recollection of what was originally written.

Jesse Sanchez4 said:That was actually a comment from a news site, not a post on this forum.

Honestly, what even counts as trolling?

Let’s say you have a sub-forum dedicated to, I don't know, Thompson. You walk in there and point out the fact that the man had Nazi songs in his repertoire. Suddenly, everyone loses their minds, and you're labeled a troll for upsetting peaceful music fans who see lyrics like "thick fog will descend again" as a beautiful description of a sunrise instead of a blatant reference to a famous Nazi anthem.

And yeah, you did troll. 100% true. You upset the forum users and triggered them so hard they started insulting your entire family tree. But honestly, the issue isn't you—it's them. And that brings us right back to the massive problem with this forum: those "scenery-loving" ThompsonoljuBci shouldn't even be here. Humanly speaking, they belong over on Stormfront.

No matter how you slice it, if calling for the opening of concentration camps and the Final Solution to the Yugoslav Question doesn't merit an instant permanent ban, then we're in trouble.

Gross.

What even is trolling?? People with avatars showing symbols like stars, hammers, sickles, or Putin's face—that's all trolling because it's designed to provoke patriotic and right-leaning forum members. Finally, VE clearly condemned communist ideology in its declaration. So, when I have to read posts from certain female users like Alexis where someone is acting like some partisan, she's trolling because she's getting a rise out of the rest of us. It's the exact same thing when a user like broz posts with an avatar from the old Yugoslavia.☕

Just for the record, Alexis's avatar is actually a photo of Ms. Ankica. It was taken back in 1944, featuring a close friend of Ankica, who was the wife of the First American President, Dr. Franjo Tuđman.

I’ve gone ahead and swapped out the header and tidied up that section of the thread a bit. From here on out, I’m handing the moderation reins over to our new mod, The Pudding.