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12 Angry Men

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Christian Gray52 Christian Gray52 NewcomerOP
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joined Dec 2022
#1 ·
I finally sat down and watched this movie last night. Usually, whenever I finish a masterpiece like this one, my first instinct is to jump straight onto the forums to see what everyone else thinks—to hunt for critiques, deep dives, and raw impressions. But I was shocked to find there wasn't even an open thread dedicated to this phenomenal piece of cinema! So, to fix that glaring oversight, I’m starting one right here 🙂

I have always had a massive soft spot for movies that lean heavily into claustrophobic settings, whether they are limited by a single room or just tight pacing—think along the lines of SAT, Rubik's Cube, Satan, Man from Earth, or Buried. And let me tell you, 12 Angry Men sits firmly at the absolute pinnacle of that genre..

To give a quick rundown for anyone who hasn't seen it: the entire plot unfolds within the confines of a single jury room. Twelve jurors are tasked with delivering a verdict based on a trial they witnessed earlier (though the trial itself isn't shown on screen). They have to decide if a young boy is guilty of murdering his father. At the start, every shred of evidence points toward his guilt, and eleven of the jurors are ready to close the case immediately. However, one lone holdout begins to question everything. He starts presenting reasonable doubts, methodically picking apart the assumptions of the others, slowly attempting to sway the rest of the group toward the boy's innocence..
The tension is incredible; it’s one of those films you just devour in a single sitting because you can't look away...

Now, while I was digging around online looking for trivia, I noticed something incredibly annoying. I kept seeing different translations for the title—some places called it "12 Angry Men," while others used "12 Furious People," and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there are even more variations floating around out there. It makes you wonder which one actually hits the mark?

I also noticed there is a 1997 remake out there. Has anyone here actually sat through it? I'm curious if it holds any water when you compare it to the original masterpiece.??
Amanda Robinson4 Amanda Robinson4 Active Member
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#2 ·
I haven't seen the remake, and honestly, I don't even want to... Lumet's classic is just flawless, almost like a thriller where you're constantly guessing how things will play out.

The story itself is just incredible! I mean, the sheer willpower of Henry Fonda's character is fascinating... he refuses to back down, insisting on his perspective even when the accused guy—who basically has zero chance in court—seems totally guilty.

And since they were working with such tight spaces and limited time, the dialogue and character development really had to hit hard, which was easy for Lumet to pull off... he just gets it.

Now, my translation software keeps giving me "12 Angry Men," so I guess that’s the official title we know.

Thinking about when this was actually filmed... it’s pretty wild that there aren't any movies today that can truly top it.
analogpilot16 analogpilot16 Member
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#3 ·
In my opinion, this is a top-tier film. It’s tense, the script is brilliantly paced, the characters are deep—honestly, it’s just excellent. I doubt they'll ever make anything quite like it again. All the fancy film technology they have nowadays doesn't mean a thing without that kind of soul.
Christian Gray52 Christian Gray52 NewcomerOP
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#4 ·
Exactly! It’s rare to find a film that manages to be so incredibly claustrophobic—both in its setting and its tight timeframe—while still delivering characters with such profound depth and nuance. Usually, when you see this kind of restricted scope, the character development ends up being shallow and rushed, which is a massive pitfall for the genre... but not here. Not even close. I have to give credit where it's due: the screenplay is absolutely masterclass, and the cast delivers a powerhouse performance across the board, truly squeezing every ounce of emotion out of their roles.
Jose Edwards16 Jose Edwards16 Member
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joined Dec 2011
#5 ·
I watched it a long time ago, but if I recall correctly, it was actually pretty incredible.
The tension... the sweating... just pure nerves...
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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joined Mar 2009
#6 ·
A total masterpiece! It’s easily one of the best "single-location" movies out there, right up there with Rop and Hitch's Rear Window..
Dana Walker2 Dana Walker2 Newcomer
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#7 ·
This film serves as definitive proof that you don't need a massive studio budget or a dizzying array of CGI to create a masterpiece; it’s just pure, unadulterated cinematic perfection.
shadowridge99 shadowridge99 Member
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joined Apr 2015
#8 ·
This is easily one of my top 10 movies of all time.👍

I didn't even realize there was a remake out there.
Jessica Morris6 Jessica Morris6 Active Member
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joined Nov 2022
#9 ·
Movies tend to recycle ideas all the time, and it’s not just limited to this specific remake. There's actually an episode of Malcolm in the Middle where they bring the mother in—I think it was Louis🤔—to serve on a jury.
Personally, I thought the film was solid; the direction was sharp and the acting was top-notch, but the core premise felt incredibly stupid to me. It tries to hammer home this moral that you should never judge someone based on prejudice... yet the entire plot relies on everyone assuming he's guilty, only for the jury to eventually acquit him simply because there's a chance he might be innocent. It feels a bit forced, if you ask me...
Christian Gray52 Christian Gray52 NewcomerOP
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Dana Walker2 said:This movie is living proof that you don't need a massive budget or a bunch of flashy CGI to create a masterpiece; it’s just pure cinematic perfection.

In my opinion, this is one of the most glaring failures of the modern film industry—specifically Hollywood—where that primal essence of what makes a truly great movie has completely evaporated. It feels as though many contemporary films, not all of them, are missing those rock-solid foundations, that necessary layer of depth and thoughtful nuance, along with all those subtle touches that actually elevate a story. Nowadays, when they're putting a production together, there's this obsessive focus on visual spectacles and bombastic details designed just to shock or stun the viewer, often resulting in overblown, jarring contrasts in both the script and the acting...
But I suppose that's exactly what the audience is demanding these days, which is probably why we're stuck with it.
Samuel Murphy8 Samuel Murphy8 Member
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#11 ·
I’d trade every bit of this new-age tech for just one more shot at an old classic.
Christian Gray52 Christian Gray52 NewcomerOP
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#12 ·
Mark Cruz15 said:Movies recycle tropes all the time, and this one isn't an exception. There’s actually an episode of Malcolm where they bring in a mother figure—I think it was 🤔Louis
—to sit on a jury. The film itself holds up; the direction is sharp and the acting is solid, but honestly, the premise feels incredibly stupid to me. It tries to preach this big moral about never judging someone based on prejudice, yet the entire plot hinges on the fact that everyone assumes he's guilty, only for the jury to eventually declare him innocent simply because there might be a sliver of doubt.

It feels forced.

While you might find it forced, I’d argue that’s exactly where the tension and the beauty of the movie lie...

SPOILER:
Because at the start, everything screams that the kid is guilty—the evidence, the witnesses, the whole nine yards—and the jury just wants to breeze through the procedure so they can get home early, especially since the case seems like such an open-and-shut slam dunk. They wanted to wrap it up like a routine paperwork job. But then, at least one person has enough conscience, enough basic humanity, or maybe even just the guts to pause and consider the theoretical possibility that the boy MIGHT be innocent. That’s when the domino effect kicks in, slowly exposing all the massive flaws in the investigation and the evidence, until almost every juror plays a part in turning the tide in favor of the kid. You have everything from a defense attorney who couldn't care less about his client to witnesses giving false testimony or claiming certainty when they were clearly guessing... and so on. Under American law, you're innocent until proven guilty, and that's precisely why they let him go...
Amanda Robinson4 Amanda Robinson4 Active Member
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#13 ·
Mark Cruz15 said:The movie is solid—great direction, strong acting—but honestly, the premise feels a bit silly. It’s basically trying to tell us we shouldn't judge people based on prejudices...

But hey, looking at when this was made and who they were targeting, you can't really expect it to be some deep philosophical masterpiece. And why should it be? It’s accessible, it hits all the right marks, and that makes it a great watch for just about anyone! Sure, today that message might feel a little "after-school special," kind of like how certain cinematic tricks that were revolutionary back then just feel like tired clichés now. But look, we have a complete movie here with a tight plot and a sequence of events that actually works together perfectly...
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
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joined Oct 2003
#14 ·
Trying to grasp the motivations behind Henry Fonda's character in "Humanity" feels so... superficial.
Christian Gray52 Christian Gray52 NewcomerOP
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#15 ·
Roger Allen3 said:claiming Henry Fonda’s character is motivated by pure "humanity" feels... incredibly shallow.

Look, I personally didn't see any profound psychological driver behind his defense of the kid, other than the simple fact that he wanted to give the boy a fighting chance—that one slim shot at being heard which his own lawyer failed to provide and which the jury currently isn't offering. To me, that's where the humanity lies. If you really want to dig deeper, you could argue that alongside that core motivation, he had a slight, mischievous desire to just "make things complicated" for the rest of the jurors.

I don't know, maybe I missed some nuance here, so feel free to walk me through your reasoning if you think I'm off base..

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