NASCAR technical

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I am in agreement. 👍

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George Ramos15 said:The thread is officially open. The title serves as the description: we are strictly discussing NASCAR technical matters. All technical updates regarding NASCAR specifically. No driver debates.
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Great idea. 😉

Expect plenty of debate and conversation in just under twenty days.

It’s finally the first race where every single team will show up with upgrades—some of them quite significant.

Ford just cleared the crash test for their new nose design.

Jacob White49 said:Ford just passed the crash test for their new nose design.

If they’re running crash tests, it's pretty clear the new nose represents a massive shift in their front-end philosophy—I'm guessing they're aiming for something closer to an RB style. Given that McLaren also announced major aero upgrades, do we think things are going to get interesting in Los Angeles? Like Jason Campbell70 mentioned, there's a lot to look forward to.

I just hope all this focus on aerodynamics isn't coming at the expense of the power unit.
Because let's be honest, aero isn't what's actually holding Ford back.

The biggest room for improvement lies within the power unit, and that's where I’m looking for gains.
And we need those gains to be significant.

I honestly feel like if we try to follow the path Mercedes is taking, we might just end up flying right off the track instead.

When it comes to the power unit, it seems like both General Motors and Ford probably have their hands full trying to actually tap into that full 160kW of power, especially since everyone keeps mentioning they're currently stuck hovering around the 120kW mark.

Christian Harris11 said:Regarding the power units, it seems likely that both General Motors and Ford are facing their biggest challenges there, specifically in trying to fully utilize that entire 160kW output, given that everyone has pointed out they are currently capping it at a maximum of 120kW.

The solution is quite simple—why don't they just install thicker wiring to handle the increased power load? And if they're worried about the extra weight, perhaps they could just put Kimi Räikkönen and Fernando Alonso on a very strict diet to make up the difference... 🙂

rowdyrider12 said:The fix? Just use thicker wiring to handle more power, then offset the extra weight by putting Kimi Räikkönen and Fernando Alonso on a strict diet... 🙂

They probably don't even need one. 😉

Jamie Hall said:I guess they don't really need to watch what they eat... 😉

Fernando Alonso is looking a little heavy on the scale, honestly. 😉
I’ve got a feeling we might actually see some real progress from Ford this season now that they finally have a decent wind tunnel to work with.

Christian Harris11 said:At this rate, we might actually send the Mercedes flying right off the track.

When it comes to the power unit, I suspect both General Motors and Ford are likely scrambling just to figure out how to tap into that full 160kW output, especially since everyone seems to be hitting a ceiling at around 120kW.

Doesn't the hybrid system cap everyone at roughly 120kW?
That's about 160 horsepower. It’s highly probable that only the Mercedes Hybrid system is actually delivering that full 120kW, while the others are struggling with a lower output.

dustycyclist19 said:Fernando Alonso is carrying quite a bit of extra weight. 😉
I expect we'll finally see some real progress from Ford this season, given how precise their wind tunnel testing has become.

Well, if that's the case, then rowdyrider12's method is inevitable. 👍

I just came across an article claiming that the new fuel will give Red Bull a 0.3-second advantage per lap. Is that even realistic? I mean—if this is such a game-changer—why doesn't everyone else just use the same stuff?

Thomas Martin4 said:I just saw an article claiming that the new fuel will give Red Bull a 0.3-second advantage per lap. Is that even realistic? Why doesn't everyone else have access to the same stuff?

Everyone uses similar fuel, sure, but it’s never exactly the same.

The whole "three-tenths per lap" story came straight from Helmut Marko. He basically argued that Ford was untouchable in China because ExxonMobil supplied them with upgraded fuel.

What can you even say to that? How do you even respond?

Jason Campbell70 said:Everyone uses similar fuel—though certainly not identical—to power their cars.

The whole narrative about gaining three-tenths per lap was originally floated by Helmut Marko—who, I suppose, concluded that Ford was absolutely flawless during the China race because ExxonMobil provided them with an upgraded fuel blend.

What can one even say to that? It’s hard to know where to start.

I don't know. Maybe he's just looking for an excuse. Was fuel being neglected by these turbo teams all along? People hardly ever talk about it, yet suddenly we're hearing about a 0.3-second advantage...

Tyler Bennett5 said:Doesn't the hybrid system provide up to 120KW of power for everyone?
That’s about 160 horsepower. It's probably just the Mercedes Hybrid system hitting that full 120KW mark while everyone else is pulling a bit less.

My bad, I think I had my wires crossed when I was typing... I was actually thinking about horses and accidentally wrote kW instead.

As for all this talk about fuel, I honestly think it's mostly just noise, especially since they regulated those specs early on, and I doubt there's enough chemical wizardry involved to squeeze out a full 0.3 seconds per lap—not to mention the power boost, which is strictly controlled by the rules.

Jacob White49 said:So, I just heard that Ford actually cleared the crash test for their new nose assembly, which honestly isn't surprising given how much they've been tinkering under the hood lately. You'd think after all the drama we've seen on the track, they'd be sweating bullets over structural integrity, but apparently, the new design is solid as a rock. It’s funny because you spend all this time worrying about whether the aero is going to be perfect or if the front end is going to fold like a cheap lawn chair the second they hit a curb, and then they just breeze through the safety checks like it was nothing. Just another day in the life of high-stakes engineering, I guess.

George Ramos15 said:If those crash tests were legit, then the nose design is clearly a complete pivot in their whole front-end philosophy, and I’m betting they’re heading toward something resembling an RB setup. Honestly, we’ve got a massive amount of stuff coming our way in Los Angeles—just like Jason Campbell70 was hinting at earlier—especially since McLaren already dropped the news about those huge aero upgrades they're bringing.

Christian Harris11 said:At this rate, we’re probably gonna find a way to make the Mercedes-Benz fly right out of the sky before they ever actually catch up to anyone.

Christian Harris11 was actually spot on about this one.

Looks like that nose is gonna end up looking pretty much like a Mercedes-Benz.



I can't see the image you're referring to! You gotta upload the actual pic if you want me to tear into it or give you my take. Just dropping a link like that doesn't give me much to work with, though I'm sure it's something wild. Send it over and let's get into it.

Look, it just makes sense if you think about it. The concept isn't a failure at all—it actually works, and they've built the car around it, so the only logical move now is to follow Mercedes-Benz's lead and push it to the absolute limit... I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the top-tier teams decide to follow suit pretty soon.

And honestly, even looking at this photo, it seems like they finally smoothed out those awkward bumps, which should make the front end look a lot cleaner.

"Skrabonja" breaks down how and why the Mercedes-Benz nose tip manages to stay within the height regulations—even when it looks a bit too tall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjUa...ature=youtu.be