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Participants Henry Campbell5Raymond Walker5analogbear40goldenskipper72Jerry Martinez50Alexander Williams512slyorca62Jason Richardson5Jose Edwards16casualwolf12stormywolf39Sean Doyle97Dennis Martin6wiredmason61Edward Reed2Rebecca Mendoza3frozenraven39
Jerry Martinez50 Jerry Martinez50 Active Member
74 messages
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#21 ·
Man, Florida Georgia Line is basically just genetically engineered country designed specifically for today's kids. I'm not saying I actually like them—they're fine, and I can listen to them if I have to—but they're just part of the crowd. Since eighty percent of the charts these days are nothing but R&B and pop-R&B nonsense, which I've never been a fan of, they'll do.
Well, that’s just how fashion works. When the frontman of that American rock band Tornado (this is a track I actually really enjoy) was asked about the current state of music, he argued that it's a systematic, deliberate attempt to manufacture brainwashed generations. Whether he's right or wrong is a much broader sociological issue.

And you can always fall back on something else, like Alter Bridge or some other classic legend.

And hey, I'm just kidding about the Beatles. Look, I listen to Merle Haggard ☕
Jerry Martinez50 Jerry Martinez50 Active Member
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#22 ·
slyorca62 said:I'm totally with you on what you wrote in your opening post, but let me ask this: who else gets to decide what's high quality if we don't?
When it comes to today's music, I have to dig pretty deep myself just to find something that actually clicks. Even then, I usually stumble upon something decent eventually! But I never bother looking at the US or UK top charts. Honestly, even back in the 80s and 90s, those mainstream lists weren't serving up much of substance for me. I always looked elsewhere to find the real gems..

I agree with everyone here, especially with the bolded part.
Henry Campbell5 Henry Campbell5 Active MemberOP
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joined Jun 2008
#23 ·
Jerry Martinez50 said:When the frontman for that American rock band Tornado (this track is actually one of my favorites) was asked about the state of the music industry, he claimed it’s just a calculated system designed to brainwash entire generations. Whether he's right or not... that's a much deeper sociological issue.

djud, you clearly have a thing for Florida Georgia Line. please, stop posting links.

😬
Jerry Martinez50 Jerry Martinez50 Active Member
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#24 ·
Henry Campbell5, here’s the high-quality stuff you’ve been hunting for!

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casualwolf12 casualwolf12 Member
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joined Jan 2008
#25 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:Wait, are you male? 😁 Just a little joke, but are you absolutely certain all of these were actually on the charts? I’m not exactly looking for a curated playlist of suggestions here; rather, I am interested in a more substantive sociological, cultural, and phenomenological discussion. 😬

I sat down last night to draft a discussion thread regarding the whole "situationship" phenomenon, but I quickly realized that the topic is so staggeringly vast that any attempt at a single post would be riddled with gaping holes. Honestly, looking at the sheer complexity of it all, I simply lost the will to continue.

To put it bluntly: here is my working hypothesis.
There was a time when the major labels acted as the ultimate gatekeepers of the music industry, serving as the indispensable bridge between the artist and the audience. Back then, there existed a highly centralized system of quality control that dictated exactly what made it onto the airwaves. Because listeners didn't have an infinite buffet of digital choices at their fingertips, they consumed whatever the radio stations provided. Consequently, the labels had very little incentive to push low-quality garbage; if you wanted to reach the masses, your product actually had to be good.
As technology and media continue their relentless evolution, we are witnessing the rise of alternative distribution channels that bypass the old guard entirely. This shift has fundamentally altered the landscape of the music industry. It used to be that major labels acted as the ultimate gatekeepers, deciding who lived and who died in the mainstream. Not anymore. Today, they find themselves in a position where they are forced to listen—whether they like it or not—to the shifting whims of public taste just to maintain a foothold in the market. The reality is rather cynical, isn't it? Because the power dynamic has shifted, labels now possess a direct financial incentive to promote mediocre, low-quality music, provided it captures the current zeitgeist. When profit margins are tied to viral trends rather than artistic merit, what hope does true quality have?

Well, here we go. The floor is yours—feel free to dive in and discuss.
Henry Campbell5 Henry Campbell5 Active MemberOP
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#26 ·
casualwolf12 said:I tried drafting an SFW discussion on this last night, but the topic is such a massive rabbit hole that I just lost steam... too many holes in the argument.

Rough hypothesis:
- Back in the day, major labels were the ultimate gatekeepers of the music world—the bridge between artists and fans. There was a centralized control over what actually hit the airwaves. Since people didn't have much choice, audiences leaned into whatever was playing, so labels had zero incentive to push garbage.
- With technology and media evolving, direct distribution channels have blown up, shifting the whole industry. Labels aren't the gatekeepers anymore; they’re forced to react to the public's (lack of) taste just to stay relevant. Now, labels actually have a financial motive to push low-quality tracks.

So, there it is. Discuss...

Where is this all heading? Is there any way out? I really can't stand cavemen...
stormywolf39 stormywolf39 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#27 ·
Earbuds are your outlet—use Last.fm or something similar.
casualwolf12 casualwolf12 Member
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joined Jan 2008
#28 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:And where exactly is this all heading? Is there even an escape hatch? I have a profound distaste for Neanderthals.

Broadly speaking, I suspect we aren't due for any significant shifts; mediocrity and a lack of refinement will likely continue to dominate the top charts for the foreseeable future.

However, one must consider that as an individual, you have access to various resources—such as those mentioned by stormywolf39—plus specialized websites and niche blogs that cater specifically to your own musical preferences.
Consequently, these direct channels of music distribution act as a double-edged sword...
Henry Campbell5 Henry Campbell5 Active MemberOP
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#29 ·
casualwolf12 said:globally speaking, I don't see much changing. bad quality and zero taste will probably keep ruling the charts for a long time...

It won't change, it'll just keep getting worse at the exact same speed. The question is, where does it stop?

but hey, as an individual, you still have access to the services > mentioned, plus those niche sites and blogs that cater specifically to your taste.
so, direct music distribution channels are a double-edged sword...

Honestly, the way these services pigeonhole you and assume what you like is driving me crazy. They just feed you more of what you already listen to, so you miss out on everything else you might actually enjoy.

The whole point of my rant is that I simply don't have the time to hunt for good music anymore. Twenty or thirty years ago, you could just skim a Billboard chart and find something decent. Now? You have to sign up for a service, create a username and password, or link your Facebook account, then check a bunch of boxes because—why?—because they need your data? 🤷

Look, I'm a guy with a job, a family, and other things going on. I want good music right now without having to dig for it. I don't want to stumble upon some obscure indie band only to realize there are hundreds more like them, leaving me lost in a rabbit hole trying to find the best one. I have enough proven stuff and genres I've just started scratching the surface of. Like, say, the entire 80s synth-pop scene. 😬

Whatever. I'll just wait about twenty years for today's music; maybe by then, some actual quality will have filtered through the noise.
Sean Doyle97 Sean Doyle97 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#30 ·
Honestly, I’ve never given a damn about those charts. If you can't figure out what sounds good without looking at a ranking, you're doing it wrong—especially now that everything is basically at your fingertips. And yeah, he earned his spot 😁. Besides, I totally agree that music is getting stale lately, and I'm not just talking about the mainstream garbage.
Henry Campbell5 Henry Campbell5 Active MemberOP
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joined Jun 2008
#31 ·
So I checked out Earbits, and honestly, those kinds of services are a total joke. You have to pick a lane—like, if you're into electronic music, do you want some algorithm to churn out a muddy mess of fifty different genres, or do you actually want to hear what you like? It’s a disaster. I’d much rather curate my own playlist than let some robot dictate my mood.

Either I'll just tune into NPR where actual human beings pick the tracks. And believe it or not, it isn't limited to just one genre, and they don't even know my specific tastes, yet I can listen to them all day long, even when they're running news in French.
Raymond Walker5 Raymond Walker5 Active Member
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#32 ·
Oh, Henry Campbell5... honestly, you might just need a little facelift since you're feeling so old lately! 😁
I was just trying to give you some examples of decent songs, but then you went and claimed they were all "girl music." 😁
Look, nobody knows your specific taste better than you do. Why don't you give us an example of something you actually loved back in the day, maybe from thirty years ago? If you do that, someone here might actually be able to find you something similar from today's lineup. 😉
Henry Campbell5 Henry Campbell5 Active MemberOP
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#33 ·
Raymond Walker5 said:Honestly, Henry Campbell5... you probably just need a facelift since you're feeling so old...😁

Anyway, I think I've got a lump in my throat. Or maybe it's just anxiety...
Raymond Walker5 Raymond Walker5 Active Member
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#34 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:Actually, I feel a bit choked up right now. Or maybe it’s just a lump in my throat?

Looks like your Adam's apple is finally making its debut! 🤣
Dennis Martin6 Dennis Martin6 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#35 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:The whole point of my rant in the title is that I just don't have the damn time to go hunting for good music anymore. Back in the day—like 20, 30, or 40 years ago—you could just skim the Billboard charts and stumble onto something actually decent. But now? It's impossible.

It’s not even about whether the artists are good or bad—it's about how we actually found out about them back then versus now. Guys like Dylan, the Beatles, or The Doors are considered legends today not necessarily because they were some unheard-of geniuses, but simply because *everyone* listened to them. Everyone heard them because there wasn't anything else to listen to. If you live in an era where the news hits your TV at a specific time and everyone is reading the same few newspapers, of course the media is going to create these massive rock legends.

Nowadays, with 24/7 news cycles and instant access to everything whenever you want, finding those "hidden gems" is basically impossible.

Plus, today's charts are totally overrun by pop stars, whereas through the 80s, rock still held the crown. Maybe you just straight-up hate pop? 😁
casualwolf12 casualwolf12 Member
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joined Jan 2008
#36 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:Things aren't going to improve simply by maintaining this current rate of decline. It’s a mathematical impossibility, isn't it? The real question we should be asking ourselves, however, is where exactly does the floor exist? Where is the limit?

We have essentially reached the threshold. At this stage, the audience effectively dictates which musical trends the majors decide to push, and that’s really all there is to it. I suspect we will see some minor fluctuations here and there, but I don't anticipate any significant downturns. 🤷

Henry Campbell5 said:Honestly, it irritates me just as much as it does you—this relentless need for these services to shove us into neat little boxes. They sit there, crunching data, making all these assumptions about our tastes based on what we’ve already clicked on. It’s predictable, isn't it? By constantly feeding you exactly what you’ve already heard, they effectively blindfold you to everything else. How are you supposed to discover a new genre or stumble upon a hidden gem when the algorithm is too busy reinforcing your existing bubble to let anything unexpected through the door?

The core issue behind my lamentation in the title is quite simple: I simply do not have the bandwidth to hunt down decent music anymore. Decades ago—say, twenty, thirty, or even forty years back—you could just skim through the Billboard charts, stumble upon something that resonated with your sensibilities, and call it a day. But today? It’s an entirely different ordeal. You sign up for some streaming service, navigate the tedious process of inventing usernames and passwords, or endure the indignity of logging in via Facebook. Then comes the ritual of tagging every genre and artist you might enjoy. And for what purpose? Is it truly necessary to satisfy their algorithms just to hear a song? Why must we jump through all these hoops? 🤷

I mean, let’s be realistic here. A person has a job, a family, and a dozen other interests competing for their attention. Some people want everything handed to them on a silver platter immediately; they don't want to do the heavy lifting or dig through the crates themselves. Why would anyone want to stumble upon one obscure track only to realize there are hundreds more just like it, leaving you lost in a rabbit hole of endless searching? I have quite enough tried-and-true music and genres to keep me busy, especially since I’ve only just begun scratching the surface. For instance, I’ve been diving deep into the entire Italo Disco scene lately. 😬

Well, it looks like I’ll be waiting about twenty years before I can find anything worth listening to in today's music scene. Perhaps, if we are lucky, a small fraction of actual quality might filter through the noise in that timeframe. One can only hope.

Let’s be honest: the streaming services currently attempting to curate our lives through music recommendations aren't exactly hitting the mark just yet. They feel somewhat unrefined, don't they? But one has to wonder—in what year will these algorithms finally be polished enough to actually serve the listener effectively? Of course, we must maintain some level of realism here. We can certainly accept that they will never reach a state of absolute, 100% perfection; perfection is a moving target, after all. However, if we reach a point where every second suggestion actually resonates with my taste, wouldn't we consider that a significant victory? Even a modest increase in accuracy would make the experience far more worthwhile.

Regarding the dilemma you've presented, I would suggest that you must exert a certain amount of initial effort to locate a blog or a website hosted by someone whose aesthetic sensibilities align with your own; once that foundation is established, you can use their curation as a compass for discovering new music. Alternatively, one might turn to online forums. For instance, sites like Reddit offer expansive, ongoing discussion threads dedicated to a vast array of genres and subgenres. There, enthusiasts highlight significant releases and engage in nuanced discourse, which should provide you with a reasonably clear idea of what to expect from your future listening sessions.

I find myself wondering if this pattern holds true across all genres, though I cannot say for certain. In the discussion threads I’ve been following lately, however, the discourse was driven by a rather well-informed crowd. It required a bit of effort to sift through the noise, but if one is willing to dig through the threads, it is quite easy to pull out a few specific releases that garnered genuine praise from the community.
wiredmason61 wiredmason61 Active Member
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#37 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:Look, it’s really not as dramatic as the headline makes it out to be... 😁 I’m curious—and I honestly don't have the energy to just go clicking through stuff blindly (tried that plenty of times over the last few years)—is today's mainstream music actually garbage, or am I just getting old? Back in the day, the Billboard charts were stacked with legends like Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, the Beatles, the Doors, Miles Davis, David Bowie... who is even on the charts now that could even hold a candle to them? Barely. All I see is this generic, cookie-cutter pop. It's ridiculous. Now that everything is available instantly, you actually have to dig through the trash to find anything decent, and you definitely won't find the good stuff on those official Top 40 lists. Are younger generations just dumber, or have they always been dumber than the ones before them?... 😁

If you can't be bothered to dig around for some actually good music, you’re probably getting old... and when someone who's clearly older than you tells you that, maybe you should actually listen for once... 😛 😁I honestly like to believe people always find the time... if they actually want to. 😉
You listed such a wild mix of artists that it's hard to give you a straight recommendation, but honestly, if you just spend some time lurking through this sub, you'll find plenty. I usually just hang out in the jazz threads—always a goldmine for finding something killer and new to listen to...
Here, take this link... Check out http://www.music-map.com/. It’s a pretty wild way to discover new artists based on what you already like. Just type in a band and see where it takes you... Just type in whatever you actually like and—I don't know—go dig around for some similar artists... 😉 I typed in The Doors and ended up seeing Kings of Leon instead...Doesn't matter... So, The Doors... btw, I love sucking on them... 😁Which bands ended up leading me straight to Mars Volta? Because honestly, they’re hitting the spot today... You shouldn't be so old that you can't still play around a little bit... 😉 😁
analogbear40 analogbear40 Member
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#38 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:I don't want to stumble upon some obscure band only to realize there are hundreds more just like them, leaving me lost trying to figure out which one is actually worth my time. Honestly, I have enough solid music and genres to explore right now that I've only just started scratching the surface of.

Well, that’s exactly where the magic happens.

Nowadays, you can dive into whatever you want whenever you feel like it. It’s a world away from thirty years ago, when you were dying to discover something fresh, but information trickled in like a leaky faucet. Back then, you basically had to settle for whatever was playing on the Top 40 stations or whatever the local radio DJs decided to spin.

It's one of those rare perks of being globally connected, despite all the headaches the internet throws at us.
Edward Reed2 Edward Reed2 Newcomer
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#39 ·
wiredmason61 said:if you aren't digging around for new music, you’ve probably aged out of it (take it from someone who, I assume, has a few more years on you—might be worth a thought! 😛 😁)

Haha, my mom says the exact same thing—apparently, if you criticize what kids are listening to, it just means you're getting old. 😬
There is actually some great new stuff out there—like Wake Me Up...
You just have to let your brain relax and dive in! 😁 I have nieces who constantly keep me updated, so they make sure their aunt doesn't get too old.😬
slyorca62 slyorca62 Newcomer
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#40 ·
Angela Palmer85 said:Haha, so my man was just telling me—if you start getting all critical about what the kids are listening to these days, it basically means you're officially old. I guess that might be true, maybe. 😬
They've got some really great new tracks out lately—like, for example... Wake Me Up...
Just let your brain go on autopilot, I guess. Maybe? 😁 So, I've got these nieces who are constantly keeping me on my toes... I guess you could say they don't let their auntie grow old, haha. Maybe that's just how it is.😬

I mean, honestly, I feel like Wake Me Up is just one of those songs that hits different for some people, but I really doubt Bloom is gonna vibe with it. I guess we always end up back at that old cliché that you can't argue with what someone likes, right? Everyone should just go out and hunt for whatever music speaks to them, even if the search is a total grind.

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