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Supermods: Complaint against the Psychology mods - Rosey, Mrs. Pringles, and Sacreus

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granitecyclist99 granitecyclist99 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
To whom it may concern,

I feel like I really need to point out how there’s been this relentless violation of basically every fundamental rule of moderation lately, which is totally undermining the whole reason forums.org even exists. It’s been happening over in the Psychology section for weeks now.

The trio running the show over in Psychology first went ahead and locked the Borderline Personality Disorder thread. Supposedly, the reason was just some petty bickering between users—you know, stuff like arguments over silicone implants versus penis enlargement, specifically. But if you ask me, the real cause is just pure personal bias, sheer intolerance, and a total denial of the facts regarding BPD violence and BPD promiscuity—topics that were actually being discussed on the forum right before they shut it down. There’s already a discussion about this over on PŽK:


Then, after about ten days, they unlocked the thread, but only with this little disclaimer saying moderation would be "lighter." During those ten days, I guess the moderators were busy coordinating a plan to basically mine their own thread—trying to steer the conversation away from its actual purpose, marginalizing the most active contributors, and making sure nobody writes anything outside of the rigid, selfish little boxes they’ve constructed...

First off, they invited all these irrelevant types into the thread—just a bunch of amateurs, clueless people, frauds, and pseudo-therapists. They’re even breaking basic psychotherapeutic principles for treating personality disorders and promoting methods that essentially give criminal BPD individuals false hope.
I’m talking specifically about the moderator Sacreus and his little band of followers and defenders (Balky, vatroled, filter). Even though they’re new, they act incredibly arrogant, handing out unsolicited advice, playing fast and loose with scientific facts, and attacking individual users who won't go along with this group trolling.
There’s just too much coordination and clear intent in how they’re acting for it to be some kind of coincidence, I suppose...
And yeah, there’s a thread about that on PŽK too.



I’m directly accusing the moderator Rosey of orchestrating this entire coup because of her own rigid, personal feminist views, and now she’s just watching the BPD thread fall apart from the shadows. I’m accusing the admin Sakreus of backing her up and bringing in his cronies from Hypnosis. And I’m accusing Mrs. Pringles of being weak and conformist, because I’m pretty sure she sees everything and knows exactly what’s happening, but she just doesn't want to lift a finger.

A moderator’s job isn't to sneakily push their personal agendas; it's supposed to be about fostering quality in the sections they manage. These threads don't exist for them—they exist for me and everyone else who actually has something meaningful to contribute...

They don't have kids dealing with BPD, and they haven't lived through the hell of "walking on eggshells," so they really shouldn't have any right to silence people who actually understand the reality of the situation....

Look, I’ve been a Super Moderator before—I used to be an admin for that massive "4 Tskuter" forum, and I'm still a moderator over at MOJskuter.com. This just isn't how you run things. This is a fraud and a betrayal of everything a moderator is meant to represent. Honestly, it's embarrassing if you guys don't step in.

All the old-school users from the BPD thread will tell you that what I'm saying is the truth. Harry York, MaxMagnus, Exborder, Nicole Turner35, vilenjacica double Word... and plenty of others... they absolutely stand by my words.
Nicole Turner35 Nicole Turner35 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Look, I’m usually the first one to call out granitecyclist99 on pretty much everything—we’ve had our fair share of heated debates and full-on shouting matches in the past—but honestly? On this specific point, I’m totally with them. I’ll sign my name to it right now.

And while we're at it, can we talk about how Sacreus is acting? It’s actually ridiculous. Right this second, they’re pumping out six posts in a row, spaced just three minutes apart, with basically nothing more than a single sentence per post. It’s straight-up spamming and it's choking the entire thread. If I tried that stunt, I’d be kicked off the board before I could even blink.
Aren't the moderators actually supposed to follow the rules and use the multiquote feature like everyone else? 🙄
ambercyclist50 ambercyclist50 Member
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#3 ·
I am in complete agreement with Assane. I have to point out how absolutely surreal it feels—if we are honestly going to call this a mere coincidence—that redharbor9, who never once contributed a single solitary post to the old thread, has suddenly become this whirlwind of activity, dragging in their little circle of friends from other topics.
To suggest this is just a fluke is an insult to anyone's common sense.
I’ve been posting on this thread for years; I have by far the highest post count—nearly double that of the next person in line—so I feel I know this community quite well. Something like this has never, ever happened before. It is painfully obvious that the goal here is to sabotage the discussion. It seems clear that redharbor9 is luring clients into their hypnosis clinic with false pretenses and promises of quick-fix therapies, and it’s equally obvious that these new accounts have nothing to do with this subject and exist solely to undermine us. We’ve had outsiders pop in before, sure, but never in such numbers, and certainly never with this level of sheer aggression, trolling, and blatant attempts to tear the thread apart.
Personally, I think Michelle Evans, for reasons known only to herself, seems completely powerless to intervene. I wouldn't go so far as to blame her personally, though I would certainly question her sense of responsibility.
If you take a moment to carefully read through the posts from the last month or so on the old thread, you'll see how much we helped one another and how frequently we expressed gratitude. Perhaps that very sense of community is what’s fueling someone's jealousy, driving them to vent their destructiveness and rage by trying to wreck this space.

If you watch closely, all the veteran members of this thread cooperate and respect one another immensely. Even if there were issues regarding Silentium's outbursts, she could have been given a warning or a ban—whatever was necessary—but it is truly staggering that the entire thread is being shut down just because of the nervous tantrums of a few outsiders. Should we really be in a position where anyone can wander into a topic, start acting up, and cause the whole thing to be closed?

We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this was the most widely read thread in the entire psychology section, pulling in 500 to 1,000 daily views and totaling over half a million reads. Half a million! Who exactly was being bothered by that? Michelle Evans' argument that "conflict attracts readers" simply doesn't hold water. Since the old thread was closed, the fighting has stopped, many of the older posts have been deleted, yet the (now closed!) thread remains incredibly popular. How else are we supposed to explain that?

Shouldn't moderators be the most active members with the strongest reputations? Just look at Rosey's post count on this thread—it's only a handful, and most of them are nothing more than snarky comments. What good is a moderator who doesn't actually know the subject matter or have any history here? Or worse, what good is a moderator who spreads misinformation, hands out baseless warnings, and scrubs the thread just to protect themselves—behaving in a way that practically begs for a six-month ban—and then holds a moderator title? Is that the model for an exemplary forum member? Just look at what people are writing when they are being promoted to moderator, and then consider what a moderator should actually be.
Peter Thompson5 Peter Thompson5 Newcomer
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#4 ·
ambercyclist50 said:I’ve been posting on this thread for years—seriously, I have way more posts than anyone else here, almost double the next person—so I pretty much know this discussion inside and out. And let me tell you, something like this has never, ever happened before.

And what does that even have to do with anything? This isn't your private little club.

It's pretty obvious they're just trying to tank the thread,

Look, they have every right to post here. If you can't handle what they're saying, just hit the ignore button and chill. As far as I can see, nobody's actually breaking any rules.

Shouldn't moderators be the most active users with the best reputation? How many posts does Rosey actually have in this thread? Like, maybe a handful, and most of them are just random trolling comments. What good is a moderator who doesn't even know the subject matter?

Top argument. Right. Totally. You guys aren't the only ones on the psychology subforum—or even on this entire site—to deserve special treatment.

Seriously 😂😂

All I see here is a massive ego trip.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#5 ·
I couldn't agree more with everything said here. The moderation of this thread is an absolute train wreck, and redharbor9 is hands down the worst moderator on this entire site. It’s been proven that he lies, yet he just keeps right on going in the thread like nothing even happened. He wipes out anything that doesn't suit his personal agenda. How can someone who's been caught lying and manipulating things be allowed to moderate? What kind of example is he setting for everyone else? It’s been shown that he hands out bans to others for no reason at all, while he gets a free pass despite blatant trolling and being straight-up disrespectful. It's unbelievable what he's turned this thread into
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A Anonymous Veteran
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#6 ·
Ashley Taylor45 said:So what does that even have to do with anything? This isn't your private thread.

They’re allowed to post here. If you don't like what they're saying, just hit the ignore button and move on. From what I can see, nobody is actually breaking any rules.

Top argument. Seriously. You aren't the only ones interested in psychology, or even the only people on this forum, so you don't get to demand special treatment.

Honestly, 😂😂

all I see here is a massive ego trip.


Look, honey, this isn't a thread dedicated to ambercyclist50. People get banned for posting things that don't belong here.
If you want to talk about him, go start your own dedicated thread. Got it?!
redharbor9 redharbor9 Regular
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#7 ·
Anyone can post on this forum as long as they follow the rules. Personal beef with what someone wrote isn't a moderator issue, and you can't pass off your own opinions as hard facts.

How people feel about a thread or whether you like their takes doesn't change the rules. Nobody is forcing anyone to write here, and nobody is forcing anyone to read either.

The thread about BPD isn't anyone's private property. People can post for whatever reason they want. Why someone shows up or why they're typing isn't anyone's business, and they don't owe you an explanation.

@granitecyclist99
Your accusations only matter if you actually have proof—not just some personal vibe or implied opinion.

@Nicole Turner35
As you can see, and maybe you already noticed, the multi-quote was set up after those posts went live. It was a glitch due to forum issues, and it was fixed almost immediately.

@ambercyclist50 It’s been explained to you a few times now: nobody has to justify why they’re posting or why they joined a thread. Bringing people to a thread isn't against the rules,
and those people already told you themselves that I didn't drag them here—they showed up on their own.
That whole "soliciting clients" nonsense was already covered in a report, including people opening fake profiles just to try and prove I'm not poaching clients. Honestly, you acting like some high-level expert psychotherapist could also be seen as soliciting. Look, if someone wants to reach out to someone else here, that's fine. Even if someone is looking for clients for anything, it doesn't break the rules.
People can talk to whoever they want privately; that's literally what PMs are for.


More posts doesn't mean better posts.

If one group of users gets along and then a second group joins and everything falls apart, it's pretty obvious one group has zero communication skills. Plus, no group has the right to claim a thread as their own and use that to decide who can or can't post.

And like I said before, you need to distinguish moderator actions from personal opinions toward users (who happen to be the moderators). They aren't the same thing, and you can't mix them up.
granitecyclist99 granitecyclist99 NewcomerOP
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#8 ·
So, we're talking about this whole conspiracy where the moderators are basically sabotaging their own thread. It feels like they’re trying to derail the entire conversation just to insult the most active users and shut down anything that doesn't line up with their own personal biases.

I mean, their actual job should be to keep the gaslighters from hijacking the space—making sure the people who actually know what they're talking about can lead the way. Anything else is just pure demagoguery. Or, if you want to go with how Silentium puts it, it's just dirty, reckless, and unprofessional "reframing."
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#9 ·
granitecyclist99, is this thread open because I mentioned earlier today that we didn't revoke your access to the PDF file?
It stays revoked, so you'll just have to accept that... regardless of how much drama you try to stir up here. Next time you're warned about losing PDF access, just take it gracefully and stop trolling the thread...

I am the Psychology supermoderator. For any formal appeals, please contact the administrators directly. As the supermoderator, I've already addressed everything in the relevant threads or via private messages. I have no intention of repeating myself or rehashing the same points over and over... Furthermore, I won't be commenting on your vague assumptions regarding how moderation decisions for the PDF were made. That isn't my responsibility to explain, and frankly, it doesn't concern you...

Best regards!
Nicole Turner35 Nicole Turner35 Newcomer
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#10 ·
redharbor9 said:@Nicole Turner35
Look, if you haven't noticed yet—and maybe you have—that multiquote thing was put together after those posts were already up. It was just a quick fix for a glitch in how the forum was running, and they patched it almost immediately after it happened.

Give me a break. No—it was made right after I called it out as straight-up spam and unacceptable moderator behavior. My post about this on the BPD thread went up at 12:10, then I posted here at 12:15, and your little "fix" popped up at 12:17. Talk about timing!

Regarding these "forum glitches" (🙄 🤦), I’ll just answer you with the very sentence I already used:

Mrs. Michelle Evans said:... oh please, come on now, nobody here is actually that dense, you know.
redharbor9 redharbor9 Regular
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#11 ·
Nicole Turner35 said:No—it was whipped up immediately after I flagged it as spam and called out the mod behavior. My post on the BPD thread went up at 12:10, this one at 12:15, and your "correction" popped up at 12:17.

Let me break it down for you... you open the edit window, type what you want, hit send... then the forum lags out, takes a few minutes to catch up, fails, so you hit BACK on your browser and try again... once things stabilize, the post finally goes live. 🙂

I can't multitask by reading the rest of the thread while I'm mid-edit, nor can I track other PDFs at the same time. I saw your post on the main thread after I finished editing mine, and I only saw this thread just now when people pointed it out. 🙂

So, I’ve answered everything. The other stuff already got its response, and I'm not going to repeat myself.
Nicole Turner35 Nicole Turner35 Newcomer
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#12 ·
redharbor9 said:Look, let me break this down differently for you... You hit that edit button on a post, you type out whatever you want to say, and then you click send. But then? Everything just crawls. The whole forum basically hits a wall, and it takes forever to get moving again. Sometimes it doesn't even go through. I end up hitting "BACK" on my browser, trying to resend it all over again... and only once things finally stop lagging does the post actually show up. It's a total mess. 🙂

You're just breaking things down. Total chaos.
Look, I used to be an admin—not just a moderator, mind you, an actual admin—for several different vBulletin forums over the years, through all sorts of versions. So, honestly? What you’re saying has absolutely nothing to do with what I’m actually talking about. Seriously. [Multiquote] If you can't handle typing out the code manually, there’s a perfectly fine little multi-quote button right there that lets you tag several posts on the page you're looking at. It's not rocket science. And then there's the whole "copy-paste" method. If using a forum is really that much of a struggle for you, just draft your entire post in a text editor first and then move it over. It's not that hard.

Spamming six posts in a row like that—just dumping one-sentence nothingburgers every two or three minutes? That's just plain annoying. Spamming. Just straight up spam. Whatever excuse they want to throw at me—whether they claim they’re "slowing down the forum," blaming their browser, or some nonsense about a constellation of stars—I don't buy it for a second.
Peter Thompson5 Peter Thompson5 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Anonymous said:Look, honey, this isn't even about ambercyclist50—you get banned for bad posts, period.
If you want to talk about him, go start your own thread dedicated to him. OK?!

Listen, buddy, I’ll post wherever I feel like it. 🥳

And I'm not talking *about* him—I'm just giving him some pointers so he can actually enjoy being on this forum. 😁
The guy seems super stressed and frustrated acting like this. 😢
Plus, let's be real, my advice applies to the rest of you guys too! 🥳
granitecyclist99 granitecyclist99 NewcomerOP
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#14 ·
granitecyclist99, is this thread only open because I mentioned to you earlier today that we didn't end up stripping out the partial on the PDF?

I mean, honestly, what’s even the big deal here? I already touched base with a few people via private message—redharbor9 reached out to me, though Rosey stayed quiet. I wasn't making stuff up out of thin air; I was just kind of connecting the dots based on what I saw.
So, what kind of fake excuse is that, claiming I was trolling just because I got a warning? Like, seriously? At the same time, I was just casually posting on other threads that, honestly, I don't even care about anyway.
Anyway, I already gave my word that I wouldn't act like that again, so I guess that's that.

And yet, even after all that, I guess it’s still a no.

Look, there’s really no point in dragging out this whole thing by throwing around insults or crying about nonsense right now...

I mean, at this point, you guys aren't even acting like moderators, let alone supermoderators...

You honestly don't even have the right to call yourselves that.

Honestly, you guys could really stand to come up with some better nicknames: Chicken, the poser, and the coward.

Hey, would you mind changing the thread title from Supermoderators... to Administrators?
...
ambercyclist50 ambercyclist50 Member
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#15 ·
redharbor9 said:The whole "soliciting clients" accusation is a tired narrative—I’ve already dealt with reports about this, including people spinning up alt accounts just to try and prove I'm hunting for business when I'm clearly not. Besides, if we're being pedantic, your own way of presenting yourself as some sort of expert psychotherapist could easily be interpreted as soliciting clients. Look, at the end of the day, if someone wants to reach out to someone else here, that isn't against the rules; even if someone were using this space to find customers for any service imaginable, they wouldn't be breaking forum policy. Everyone is free to talk to whomever they please, which is exactly why private messaging exists.

So why not just be honest for once? Why not just say, "Hey everyone, I'm basically just trying to drag as many people into hypnosis sessions as possible so I can line my pockets—who cares if it's useless or even harmful to them?"

My posts aren't tied to a name, Mauro!
redharbor9 redharbor9 Regular
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#16 ·
ambercyclist50 said:So why don't you just be honest for once? Just say, "Hey guys, I'm stirring the pot and baiting people just to get more border agents under hypnosis so I can rake in the cash. Who cares if it's useless or causes damage?"

My posts aren't about me, Mauro!

The whole point of what you quoted was to explain that according to the forum rules, anyone can talk to whoever they want via DM about anything at all. There’s no monitoring or oversight on that. That’s just freedom of speech and online interaction. If something's out of line, you report the message.

What you said in response is just your own opinion, and it has nothing to do with me.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#17 ·
redharbor9 said:Editing a post—including deleting it—within the allotted timeframe after it's published (which is a feature you've used yourself) doesn't violate any forum rules. You can check the rulebook yourself if you need proof.

Then why are you deleting posts before I even get a chance to edit them? Is this more double standards? Are you handing out penalties before you've even had a second to fix your own posts?

How can you not feel embarrassed as a moderator when you're caught lying right to someone's face? How can you just keep typing like nothing happened? What kind of "exemplary" community leader are you supposed to be?!
redharbor9 redharbor9 Regular
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#18 ·
Anonymous said:So why the hell are you deleting posts before I can even edit them? Double standards again? You're handing out bans before the admin even gets a chance to fix their own post?

Which post and where did I delete?
ambercyclist50 ambercyclist50 Member
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#19 ·
redharbor9 said:Which post exactly did you delete?

What kind of games are we playing here? You deleted the very post I was responding to, only to bring it back now just to bury the evidence. We aren't exactly idiots, you know!

You deleted this post:

MaxMagnus said:"ambercyclist50 — deleted again, huh?

@ambercyclist50 and @Nicole Turner35 — what kind of psychological pathology are we even talking about when someone ignores dozens of repeated questions, or when you factually prove they are lying, yet they act as if nothing ever happened? Do people like that even have a conscience? Do they understand the concept of shame? Don't they feel any urge to apologize for lies that have been proven (marked in red)? From what I gather, this isn't about BPD—it's about something else entirely, which you all should try to figure out.

Are you perhaps seeing a bit too much of yourself in that post?
redharbor9 redharbor9 Regular
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#20 ·
I didn't delete that post, so I didn't bring it back either 🙂

This whole "pretending to delete posts" thing is getting... pathetic

Anyway, I'm handing this thread over to Nico....

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