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How much sugar is too much per day?

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Peter Robinson93 Peter Robinson93 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Greetings. I’m looking for clarity on what seems like a straightforward question: what should my daily sugar intake actually look like? When I glance at labels on a can of soda or a chocolate bar wrapper, I often see some "guideline" suggesting 90 grams a day. Frankly, that feels incredibly low to me. If you grab a single glass of sweetened juice—which most of us reach for constantly during a hot American summer—you’ve already knocked out 30 grams. Add a glass of milk or some yogurt, and you're looking at another 15; throw in a slice of cake, and there's another 30 right there. Once you factor in bread, fruit, vegetables, and the occasional candy, my math puts my actual consumption closer to 120 grams minimum!

The following question might seem obvious, but I need to confirm: is all sugar created equal, whether it comes from a Coke, milk, or fruit? I am aware that different sugars exist and that the stuff in a soda is essentially empty calories, but given the vitamins found in whole fruit, isn't the sugar within it still just sugar? Does that "90 gram" recommendation refer to total sugar intake, or specifically to refined white sugar?

Furthermore, I’d value an expert opinion on something else. This summer, I've noticed that many young guys seem to have absolutely no body fat whatsoever. Personally, even though I’m on the leaner side and stay quite active, I still carry some fat—not an excessive amount, but it's there. I don't eat much heavy, greasy food, so I wonder if my body fat is actually a direct result of indulging in sweets too often. If I were to cut them out entirely, I worry I might lose weight too rapidly, which isn't an option I want to pursue—how would I compensate for that sudden loss of energy? 🙂
Chris Harris94 Chris Harris94 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Sugar found in fruit or milk isn't quite the same thing as processed sugar. There is no need to obsess over your sugar intake; you're likely consuming it from various sources without even realizing it. The only exception, if you absolutely insist, is if you are training intensely—in which case, go ahead and load up on some glucose tablets from CVS. That's perfectly fine.
Exercise, run, move around, and simply cut back on bread, alcohol, and other junk food, and you'll have a flat stomach by age five.

By the way, most "sweet treats" are just products loaded with sugar and fats, which serves as a rather obvious explanation for weight gain. Cut those out, ditch the sodas, and drink massive amounts of water instead.
Peter Robinson93 Peter Robinson93 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
I was hoping for a bit more momentum on this thread, but fine, thanks to Chris Harris94 for stepping up.

So, looking strictly at the sugar intake, is it actually better to eat, say, three pears, two apples, a banana, and two glasses of milk—roughly 45 grams of sugar—than it is to just down 8 ounces of Coca-Cola, which hits you with about 20 grams?

It’s obvious that the fruit is inherently healthier for you, of course, but I can't shake the feeling that my total sugar consumption is getting out of hand, so...
Richard Cook2 Richard Cook2 Member
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#4 ·
Peter Robinson93 said:I was hoping this thread would dive a bit deeper into the mechanics, but hey, thanks for the input, Chris Harris94.

So, looking strictly at sugar intake, is it actually better to consume something like three pears, two apples, a banana, and two glasses of milk (roughly 45 grams of sugar) rather than just having 8 ounces of Coca-Cola (about 20 grams)?

I certainly realize that the first option is much healthier in its own right, but I can't help feeling like my total sugar consumption might be getting a bit high, so...


Essentially, sugars are the building blocks of carbohydrates. To keep things simple without overcomplicating the biology, we can categorize them as fast or slow sugars, which can come from various sources like glucose, fructose, or sucrose.

Sugar is stored in your muscles and liver in the form of glycogen, serving as fuel whenever you're active.

As the name implies, "fast" sugar enters the bloodstream very rapidly. The higher the blood sugar spike, the more insulin the body pumps out to act as a "transporter," moving that sugar into the muscle cells and the liver. If a massive amount of sugar hits the bloodstream all at once, the insulin can't manage to store it all as glycogen, so the body ends up storing the excess as fat. This is precisely why sodas, highly processed snacks, and anything loaded with refined sugars have such a bad reputation—they are the primary drivers behind obesity and related issues like diabetes.

Fast sugars are actually a decent source of energy under one specific condition: when your blood sugar levels are extremely low and insulin is down, such as immediately following a heavy workout. This is why people often consume glucose supplements after training; the goal is to get sugar into the bloodstream as quickly as possible to restore the balance between sugar and insulin, replenishing the glycogen stores in the muscles and liver to kickstart recovery.

Slow carbs, true to their name, release sugar into the bloodstream gradually. This provides a steady, long-lasting supply of energy without causing those massive insulin spikes.
They are an excellent source of nutrition throughout the day, though they aren't as specialized for that immediate post-workout window mentioned above.

Generally speaking, an individual needs about 60% of their total daily caloric intake to come from carbohydrates. For example, if I’m consuming 3,000 calories a day, 1,800 of those would come from carbs. Since there are 4 calories per gram of carbs, that means I'm eating 450 grams of carbs daily! On days when I don't work out, I try to get all of that from slow-digesting carbs. On training days, however, I’ll have about 40-60 grams of fast sugars along with my protein shake after the session.

To wrap things up:

Aim for roughly 60% of your total daily intake to be carbohydrates, and try to prioritize slow-digesting sources as much as possible!

Some of the best sources for slow carbs include legumes, vegetables, and whole grains (like whole wheat pasta, whole grain bread, or brown rice). Most fruits actually have a high glycemic index (GI), which measures how quickly sugar enters the bloodstream; the GI scale runs from 0 to 100, and anything over 55 is considered high.
Chris Harris94 Chris Harris94 Newcomer
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#5 ·
All this nonsense he’s rambling about—trying to boil everything down to just fruits and vegetables—is absolute garbage. Just toss it out and you'll be a legend, just like 🙂Chris Harris94
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Peter Robinson93 Peter Robinson93 NewcomerOP
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#6 ·
Cut back on white bread? That’s easy to say, but how exactly am I supposed to replace that fuel? It’s a calorie bomb, sure, but I’m knocking down anywhere from 200 to 300 grams of it every single day. If I were to just cross it off my list—say, slash my intake by half—I’d be left wondering where the hell that energy is going to come from.
Richard Cook2 Richard Cook2 Member
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#7 ·
Peter Robinson93 said:Cut back on white bread? I mean, where am I supposed to get that energy from? Bread is pretty calorie-dense, and I find myself eating up to 10 or 11 ounces a day—well, at least 7 ounces. If I were to cut it out, say by half... hmm...

If you're actually looking to make a change, try whole grain! It's actually even more caloric than the white stuff.😉
Chris Ortiz5 Chris Ortiz5 Newcomer
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Chris Harris94 said:Sugar in fruit versus sugar in milk or pastries? Not the same thing. Honestly, stop obsessing over specific sugar intake when you’re consuming it in everything you eat without even realizing it. Unless you’re hitting the gym hard, then sure, go ahead and load up on some glucose tablets from CVS. That's fine if you're active.
Just work out, get moving, and cut back on the bread, alcohol, and all that other junk, and you'll have a six-pack in no time.

By the way, "treating yourself" usually just means eating stuff loaded with sugar and fat—that's your real reason for gaining weight right there. Cut that down, ditch the sodas, and drink tons and tons of water instead.

Glucose supplements are ONLY for after a workout! Never any other time... don't go giving this guy bad advice.... Truth is, you don't actually need added sugar at all since it's just empty calories... Having one piece of fruit a day is fine, just don't overdo it.. Avoid regular table sugar and juices too... Just use artificial sweeteners if you need to sweeten things up.
Chris Ortiz5 Chris Ortiz5 Newcomer
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Peter Robinson93 said:I was hoping this thread would dive a bit deeper, but fine, thanks for the input.

So, looking strictly at sugar intake, is it actually "better" to eat, say, three pears, two apples, a banana, and two glasses of milk (roughly 45 grams of sugar) instead of an 8-ounce Coca-Cola (about 20 grams)?

Look, I get it—the fruit option is obviously healthier on its own. But I just can't shake the feeling that my total sugar consumption is way too high, so...

It’s not better... sugar is sugar. That’s why people avoid milk in bodybuilding circles too. Think about it for a second.😉 Fruit is fine, but don't overdo it. Everything has a limit.

And what Richard Cook2 is saying is spot on... you need about 60% of your daily intake if you're bulking. When you're cutting, all those numbers shift in favor of protein.
Chris Ortiz5 Chris Ortiz5 Newcomer
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Peter Robinson93 said:Cut back on white bread? Seriously, where am I supposed to get that energy from? Bread is calorie-dense, and I’m easily knocking back 300 grams of it a day—maybe at least 200... If I were to slash it by half, hmm... what then?

Look, white bread is fine after a workout... you don't need to be nearly as strict once you've finished training, provided you aren't loading up on fats too. It all comes down to your goal: cutting, bulking, or just maintaining. If you're on a cut, though? You should ditch the bread and all that junk entirely.
Peter Robinson93 Peter Robinson93 NewcomerOP
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#11 ·
My objective is quite specific: I want to put on some muscle mass while leaning out around the midsection. However, I’m being hit with nothing but conflicting advice here—is it actually alright to consume something like half a pound of yogurt and a couple of servings of fruit daily?

Or am I just flooding my system with unnecessary sugar according to some arbitrary logic? Let's get practical, Chris Ortiz5: how am I supposed to hit a target of 2,400 calories if I'm cutting out white bread (except for post-workout recovery), fruit, and milk? If I sideline cheese as well, I'm basically left staring at a plate of meat all day, aren't I?

And what's the verdict on things like raisins, walnuts, or almonds?
Richard Cook2 Richard Cook2 Member
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#12 ·
Peter Robinson93 said:My ultimate goal is to gain some weight on the scale while simultaneously losing the gut... but I feel like I'm getting conflicting advice here. Is it actually alright to have, say, about a pound of yogurt and a few ounces of fruit daily?

Or does that violate some sort of logical rule regarding sugar intake? On that note, Chris Ortiz5, how am I supposed to hit a target of 2400 calories? If I'm cutting out white bread (except maybe right after a workout), fruit, milk, and cheese, I'm basically left with just meat... isn't that right?

And what about things like raisins, walnuts, or almonds?

You’ve got the whole concept backward. It isn't really about the specific amount of sugar; if you want to burn fat, the bottom line is your total calorie count. You need to determine your maintenance level—that number where your weight stays perfectly steady—and then simply subtract 500 or 600 calories from that total. That is how you lose weight.

For instance, let's say you calculate that you need 2500 calories a day to maintain your current weight. If you subtract 500, you're looking at 2000 calories. So, to lose weight, you aim for 2000. From there, I personally follow a balanced macro split of 60% carbohydrates (which includes those sugars), 15% protein, and 25% fats. Those are the figures I find most reliable based on the nutritionists I follow. You can certainly tweak those ratios—perhaps 50% carbs, 25% protein, and 25% fats—but the vital thing is hitting that final calorie goal!

Just stick to fast-acting carbs immediately following your workout, and use slow-digesting carbs otherwise. Stick to that plan and stop worrying about the sugar!
Peter Robinson93 Peter Robinson93 NewcomerOP
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Richard Cook2 said:You’ve got the whole concept backward. It isn't about how much sugar you eat; if your goal is fat loss, the only metric that actually matters is your total caloric intake. You need to pinpoint your exact maintenance calories—that sweet spot where your weight stays perfectly level—and then simply subtract 500 to 600 calories from that number. That is the math behind losing weight.

For instance, let's say you calculate that you need 2,500 calories a day just to maintain your current weight. If you shave off 500, you're sitting at 2,000 calories. To lose weight, you hit that 2,000 mark daily while balancing your macros—perhaps aiming for 60% carbs, 15% protein, and 25% fats, which aligns with several nutritional frameworks I personally find reliable. You can tweak those ratios, maybe try 50% carbs, 25% protein, and 25% fats, but at the end of the day, hitting that calorie target is the absolute bottom line.

Stick to fast-acting carbs right after your workout and slow-digesting ones the rest of the time; follow that rule and stop obsessing over sugar.

That's not my aim... I'm not looking to drop weight, I want to lean out a bit and build muscle instead.🙂

I was specifically asking about how sugar impacts that process... 🤷

But thanks anyway for the input.👍

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