Printer issues?

Look, that’s just what it costs. It'll pull through a few thousand pages before it pays for itself. Honestly, it’s still a better deal than burning through hundreds of dollars on an inkjet, wouldn't you agree, Adriatix?

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:That’s just the price of doing business. It’ll handle a few thousand pages before it pays for itself. Honestly, it’s still better than burning through hundreds of pages on an inkjet at those prices, dear Adriatix.

It’s basically the same logic as buying one genuine HP LaserJet toner rated for 4,000 pages for the exact same amount of cash.

Except in this case, you have to factor in four extra cartridges, which means for the same number of prints, the whole thing ends up costing you 400% more.

Of course, the customer doesn't realize that because they only see what you showed them today.

Why is that?

Because the OPC unit here—just like in high-end HP or Samsung toners—is designed for roughly 4,000 to 6,000 pages. So, just like someone might toss out an old HP toner, you're tossing out something that includes all that plastic mechanics and electronics too.

So, if the customer actually understands that, then there isn't a problem.

The issue is that we have to explain all this via some banned user from Adriatix instead of a salesperson of your caliber.

And that’s about it for "forum ethics."

Look, we’re talking about a user who isn't going to print 4,000 to 6,000 pages in their entire lifetime. I have no idea where you even got the idea to bring up an HP; I assume you just have some used unit you're trying to offload.

And for heaven's sake, finally get a decent website built. I'm sure your inventory is fine, but looking at that site makes me want to gag.

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:We're talking about a user who isn't going to print 4,000 to 6,000 pages in ten lifetimes. I have no idea why you even brought up an HP; I assume you just have some used model you're trying to offload.

And seriously, get a decent website built. I'm sure your deals are fine, but looking at that site makes me want to gag.

Both HP and this "Samsung" setup utilize a toner transfer unit made of essentially the same components. And the durability of those parts? Roughly the same design specs.

With an HP, when you swap out the toner, you're basically replacing the entire toner mechanism. Here, I haven't checked specifically, but there's likely some drum unit that costs more than a whole new laser printer, which is why no sane person even imports them.

So, what happens? You buy this chassis and pop in some third-party toner—because, let's face it, to the end user, all toners look identical—and suddenly the printer starts streaking or showing spots. In that case, this Xerox (Samsung) goes straight into the trash, and it probably hasn't even hit the 2,000-page mark.

But with an HP? You just return the third-party toner and demand your money back.

Do you see now how Adriatix differs from a typical salesperson? Why does a salesperson have to obsess over polishing their image (and their webpage) every other day while Adriatix doesn't bother? Because we have smarter things to do. And people figure it out—those who understand the value stay, and those who don't just end up filling landfills every eighteen months.

Clear enough?

Look, Adriatix is basically a non-profit that can barely afford its own overhead, yet they’re out here acting all fancy with their branding. They're still running a website designed back in 1996 just to save people from getting ripped off by greedy salespeople rather than chasing a profit.

What would you suggest for $133 (all-in) if I actually want to see some value for my money?

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:Look, Adriatix is just a charity organization that’s basically broke, yet they still insist on spending money on fancy forms and running a website that looks like it was coded back in 1996. Why do they bother? It's all just a way to shield people from being preyed upon by aggressive salespeople. They aren't out to make a profit; there's no money in it for them.

What would you recommend for... $133 All things considered—including everything else on the table—is it actually worth it?

Look at you, acting like you own the place.

First you go around insulting people, and then you actually expect someone to give you professional advice? Really?

That says a lot more about you than it ever could about the person you're looking down on.

A decent psychoanalyst would probably tell you he’s just reacting to that salesperson—it's basically an unconscious defense mechanism at this point. But honestly, what else is a salesperson supposed to do here? He’s just hiding behind an anonymous profile to push the exact same stuff he gets paid to promote in his day job.

Hey there.

Adriatix.hr Ps

P.S. You know how it is—Adriatix never touches those cheap inkjets.

So, you just talked trash without having a single smart recommendation to back it up. Classic.

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:So, you just talked in circles without actually saying anything useful. No real advice, no solid recommendations... just the usual. Classic.

We put this together about three years ago.
Looking at the specs for the S_Sam2010P... does anyone actually find these types of technical breakdowns helpful, or are we all just scrolling past the fine print? I was digging through the details on the S_Sam2010P over at Adriatix.hr Ps, trying to get a better sense of what this machine actually brings to the table. It’s one of those deep dives where you start looking at the hardware capabilities and wonder if the real-world performance actually matches the brochure. Is it really worth the investment for a standard office setup, or is it overkill? Sometimes these product pages feel like they're written for engineers rather than the people who actually have to deal with the paper jams and toner levels every Tuesday morning. Just my two cents.
So, it looks like Samsung went with the exact same concept. They basically just shortened the tubes and integrated an external tank right into the chassis. Functionally speaking? It’s pretty much identical to everything else.

Last July, the sales team was laughing their heads off at this whole concept. They treated it like a joke. Now? Suddenly, they’re acting like it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. It’s pretty obvious why, though. They finally found themselves a real thoroughbred to run with.

Customers? They’re just sheep, plain and simple. Yesterday they had the exact same issue and just poured more toner in like nothing happened. But today? Today they’re all flocking to some guy from CHIPiran, acting like he’s the only one who can keep them fed.

They’re practically wagging their tails with joy, aren't they? I mean, can you blame them? They get to charge four times the actual cost for every single printout.

Seems like a decent deal. How many pages can you actually get out of that monster once it's loaded, and what's the damage on the price? I doubt you're getting all that for less than $133. What kind of hardware are we pairing this with? Honestly, a printer like the one in the photo isn't even that expensive to run on generic toners, but finding ones like that nowadays—even used and in decent shape—is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:It seems like a decent enough offer. But how many pages am I actually getting out of that overstuffed thing, and what's the damage on the price tag? I highly doubt you can get all that for less than $133. What kind of gear is it supposed to pair with? Still, a printer like that one in the photo isn't exactly breaking the bank when it comes to third-party toner, though finding anything like it these days—even used and in decent shape—is becoming a bit of a scavenger hunt.

That was relevant about three years ago. Sure, the tech works, but if you're looking at it from a user perspective, it’s just smarter to grab an HP. You'll get a cartridge with the same amount of toner for the same money right out of the gate. At the end of the day, it's the same math, and let's be honest, an HP is a much more reliable laser machine than an Apple.

Look, I know those Apple printers are pretty unreliable. We have a few running around here and they’re basically on life support—constantly needing repairs. Meanwhile, our HP LaserJet 1020s haven't even seen a repair shop once.

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:I’ve always felt those Apple printers were pretty unreliable. We have a few running around here, and honestly, they’re basically on life support—constantly needing to be hauled off to the repair shop just to stay functional. Meanwhile, our HP LaserJet 1020s? They haven't even seen the inside of a service center yet.

So, I have to wonder... were you actually trying to pull the wool over our eyes?

Who’s actually moving these Xerox 3010s at the best wholesale rates right now?

Why?

So, what if we put together a CTSS for that Xerox using the same logic? I’m thinking it might actually be worth looking into. From what I can gather, there’s some real potential there. Of course, if nobody is actually interested, then why bother wasting my time on a lost cause? If we aren't doing this, you just keep pouring toner into it until the thing finally gives up the ghost. And let's face it, the cost of toner per gram is... $0.33 Plus sales tax. I’m not about to let us get that sorted just so some self-proclaimed geniuses have something new to make fun of us for.

Personally, I think the smartest move is to just grab a reliable Ford for your printer setup.

The real question is: is it even worth the hassle? The toner is chipped, which means it’s hard-coded to stop after a set number of pages. Sure, you could swap out the chip, but a fresh Orink toner cartridge with its own chip for 2,200 pages will run you about $15. For all that tinkering to actually make sense, you’d need a printer capable of churning out tens of thousands of pages—and I seriously doubt this thing can handle that kind of workload.

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:The real question is whether it’s actually worth the hassle. These toners are chipped, right? They're hard-coded for a specific page count. Sure, you could swap out the chip, but by the time you buy a fresh Orink cartridge with a new chip rated for 2,200 pages, you're looking at maybe $15 or $20. For all that tinkering to make sense, you'd need a printer capable of churning through tens of thousands of pages—and honestly, I doubt this one can handle that.

So, are we agreeing that for a smart user, it makes sense to spend maybe $500—$267 plus tax—to grab a refurbished Volkswagen model that runs on HP LaserJet Pro 400 Class toners? Or just stick to Class 130 compatibles.

Why? Because this tier of printer features a Pro Class > Laser Engine
Look, a LaserJet 1010 is different from a 1020. It lacks that Pro Class > Laser Engine
Alternatively, someone could opt for a newer HP model. It costs a bit more, sure, but its Laser Mechanics put it in Class 50. Just like with a Xerox, you can pick up replacement toners for about $33 plus tax.

Or even better, you could always find someone to refill a Class 130 cartridge following Class 50 standards. Then you're looking at a single cartridge costing roughly $33 plus tax. You end up with a laser printer that is practically unstoppable compared to something like a Xerox 3010.

Ultimately, it all boils down to one question: Do you actually need a new laser printer, or is this just consumerist psychotherapy disguised as cheap Holiday Shopping?

It really comes down to your print volume. Your average home user isn't going to push more than a few thousand pages over the next couple of years, so honestly, they won't care if they grab that Xerox or a used HP. And look, I know it’s a tough sell to convince someone to buy used, so I usually don't even bring it up if there's a decent new option available. But in this case? It's still better—better, not perfect—to go with the Xerox than some cheap HP Inkjet in that price range. With those, the original ink costs more than the printer itself, generic replacements are non-existent, and even if they did exist, the thing would probably die before you even hit four digits on the page count. If you're running an office doing thousands of pages a month, obviously you aren't picking up a $133 Xerox, but for printing a few recipes? It'll do just fine.

Jeffrey Chavez6 said:It really comes down to how many pages you're actually printing. Your average home user isn't going to hit several thousand prints over a few years, so at that point, they won't care if they grabbed that Xerox or a used HP. And honestly? It’s hard to convince someone to buy second-hand, so I usually don't even bring it up if there's a decent alternative available. In this specific scenario, though, it's still better—better, even if not perfect—to go with that Xerox than some HP Inkjet in that price bracket. You know the type: where the original ink costs more than the damn machine itself, third-party options are non-existent, and even if they did exist, the thing would probably die before you even hit the four-digit mark on the page count. Now, for an office burning through thousands of pages a month, they obviously aren't picking up a $133 Xerox, but for a few recipes? It'll do just fine.

Correction:

A slip of the pen.
This isn't actually a laser printer; it's a derivative
of this OKI model
http://sishardware.com/unt/18960-oki...t_to_last.html

Greetings.

After years of faithful service, my old printer has finally kicked the bucket, so it’s officially time to invest in a replacement. This time around, I’m looking to upgrade to a true 4-in-1 machine—something that handles printing, scanning, copying, and faxing all in one unit.
What would you recommend within the budget range of approximately $400 (though I could potentially stretch it up to $500 if the value is there)?
It is absolutely essential that the model I choose allows for easy access to compatible third-party ink cartridges.🙂

Also, I really need to get the exact same setup that Austin Green64 is using...
Basically a 4-in-1, though I guess I could settle for a 3-in-1 if it means skipping the fax function altogether...
It has to be a laser printer; honestly, don't even talk to me about Inkjet, I'm just not interested in that headache at all...
Black and white is totally fine by me, and things like Wi-Fi or duplex printing aren't dealbreakers or anything...
But the most important thing—the absolute clincher—is that cheap third-party toner cartridges have to be an option...🙂
I wouldn't mind a used machine either, actually, that might even be better...

Thanks!

Austin Green64 said:Hey everyone.

Since my old printer finally kicked the bucket after years of service, it’s time to pick up a new one. This time around, I’m looking for a 4-in-1 machine. So, you know: print, scan, copy, and fax.
What would you guys recommend in the range of roughly $400 (maybe stretching it up to $500)?
It would be great if it was easy to find affordable replacement ink/toner for it too...🙂

You can grab some used Kyocera 1020 D or 1030D models around here.

The replacement toner for the 1020D ($53) is way cheaper than what you'd pay for the 1030D ($83).
You can squeeze out about 7,200 pages from it (at 5% coverage), and honestly, if you drop the print resolution a notch, you’ll probably get even more. 😉

My brother just picked up a 1030D with 30,000 prints on the clock. The drum warranty goes all the way up to 100,000.

As for me, I’ve got a 1020D with 60,000 prints on it; I just swap the toner and it keeps chugging along. 😁
It had some issues with paper jams once, but a quick trip to the repair shop fixed it, and now it runs smooth as silk.

Xerox Phaser 3010 for $116
or perhaps
Canon LBP6020B for $166?