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Frank Barnes Frank Barnes Newcomer
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#361 ·
coppertiger7 said:Check out the Brother models over at Best Buy; they offer a two-year warranty plus an extra year if you register online. They’ve got third-party inks that are supposedly reliable—apparently, they don't cause any issues even when things go wrong with the printer, and the repair shops don't complain because the distributors themselves push those third-party inks in stores 🙂.

Who actually tested those inks? Maybe the manufacturer? Because we just had three of those Brother units come into our service center with >>original
Zero chance of fixing them. A total 100% disaster. Interestingly enough, we managed to clear the Cyan Yellow and Magenta channels on all three machines.

So, either the original black ink is junk, or the design of the black channel isn't built to handle the quality of ink being supplied in the US market. If you're skeptical, feel free to take one of those three Brother printers off my hands for free. It would be a shame to toss them since the scanners still work perfectly fine—since you mentioned they aren't chipped

Let me restate the question: What exactly are you basing this claim on? That the inks are "proven"? Is it just hearsay?
coppertiger7 coppertiger7 Newcomer
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#362 ·
Frank Barnes said:Has anyone actually verified the ink quality? Perhaps the manufacturer could weigh in? We recently had three of those Brother printers come into our repair shop with >>original<< inks. Every single one of them had a completely clogged black line.

There is absolutely no way to fix them. It's a total 100% disaster. Interestingly enough, we managed to clear the Cyan Yellow and Magenta channels on all three units.

This suggests that either the original black ink is defective, or the construction of the black channel isn't designed to handle the specific quality of ink being supplied to the US market. If you have any doubts about my assessment, I’d be happy to give you one of those three Brother printers for free. It feels like a waste to toss them since the scanners still work perfectly—and since you mentioned they aren't chip-restricted, they are still useful.

So, let's revisit the question: What exactly are you basing your claim on that the inks are verified? Is it just hearsay?

My respects to ADRIATIX!
There is really no need to adopt such a condescending tone; I was simply sharing my own firsthand experience and my discussions with an authorized Brother service center. There were no restrictions at all regarding using third-party inks in these devices, even though the distributor themselves sold them. Since there is a two-year warranty, plus an extra year granted through registration, there is no reason to fear service issues—provided, of course, that you take the unit to an authorized Brother service center.
I have a counter-question for you: Are you actually an authorized Brother service provider? It’s an interesting question, wouldn't you agree?

We can go back and forth on this as much as you like, but I think it's best if we move this to a private message.
The gentleman asked a polite question for advice, and I felt I had every right to provide my perspective based on my experiences, without needing to attack other participants in this thread.
It's just you and me now, but I remain more than willing to help others. Goodbye, ADRIATIX.
Frank Barnes Frank Barnes Newcomer
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#363 ·
coppertiger7 said:Hey there, Reddit!
I’m not trying to sound like I’m lecturing anyone here. This isn't some theoretical debate; I’m speaking from my own experience and from what I've gathered through conversations with an authorized Brother service center. Honestly, there was never any rule against using third-party ink in these machines—not even when the distributors themselves were selling those exact replacements. Since you get that standard two-year warranty plus an extra year just by registering the device, there really isn't much to worry about regarding service coverage. Of course, that assumes you actually take it to an authorized Brother service center.
Now I’m turning the question back on you: Are you actually an authorized service center for Brother? It makes you wonder, doesn't it?

We can go back and forth on this all day if we really want to, but honestly? Let's just take this offline.
The guy asked a genuine question and was looking for advice, so I figured I had every right to weigh in with my own experience and take a stand—all without feeling the need to go on the attack against anyone else hanging out in this thread.
It’s been you and me against the world, I guess. But hey, I’m still willing to lend a hand to others whenever I can. Goodbye, ADRIATIX.

If anyone’s actually interested in this specific headache, we could easily pull five Brother printers off the shelf right now, and I bet you only one would have working channels while the rest are completely clogged. That particular unit has been sitting on a storage rack for over a year. Honestly, I don't even know what kind of state it's in today. What’s funny is that on that exact same rack, we have dozens of Epson printers—all serviced and filled with Colibri ink. Every single one of them fires up perfectly, regardless of how long they've been gathering dust. We even keep the dates marked on them to track how long they've been sitting there. We keep them around because, frankly, they turned out to be the perfect solution for sublimation and other niche specialty jobs. To make sure, we’ve tested those same specialty uses on old, decommissioned Brother units that still have functional channels. The bottom line? If a channel is working, it'll stay working for a little while. But once the problems start? There's nothing left to do but cry and maybe leave some flowers at the funeral.

I think that’s plenty of food for thought for anyone actually planning on keeping a printer around longer than its warranty period.

Here’s the kicker: Brother actually uses Epson's inkjet heads for their high-end models. But of course, you'll always have some salesperson—whether they're doing it on purpose or just don't know any better—trying to muddy the waters and lump everything together with these sweeping generalizations.

People would be throwing ash in each other's faces if someone actually tried to contribute to this thread just by pointing out that they’ve dropped over 100 posts on this forum in the last year. Imagine the drama.

So, I’ve got this Brother printer, and honestly, I’ve been running nothing but third-party ink in it. When the inkjet head started acting up while I was still under warranty, they actually stepped up. They didn't swap out the whole machine or anything—just replaced the inkjet head itself, free of charge. It was a pretty smooth fix.

Is there actually anyone left out there who isn't crooked?

Naima, seriously, just take a second and read two steps ahead in that attachment. If that exact thing isn't being suggested right there in the text, then I’m a complete idiot. Or maybe everyone else who's missing it is an idiot too?

So, what's actually causing this?

The core of the issue is that all Brother printers come with a factory-integrated CISS. Unlike what you see with Epson, these Brother models have built-in dampers within that system to regulate pressure and include pre-filters for the ink. Now, here’s where it gets messy: if you decide to load up that system with pigment ink or anything with a higher concentration of particulates, those filters are going to clog. And since the dampers are an integral part of the entire setup, you don't really stand a chance at cleaning out those blocked filters. Every time you try to run a cleaning cycle on the CISS, the dampers just work to compensate, essentially fighting your efforts. At that point, your only real move is to swap out the problematic printhead for a brand-new one. But let’s be realistic—since these Brother machines are assembled by robots, once you factor in the labor time plus the cost of a new head, you’re looking at a bill that's nearly as high as just buying a whole new printer. Unless, of course, you're dealing with a basic home setup that's still covered under warranty.

With an Epson, the damper is actually built right into the cartridge along with the pre-filter. Since you're tossing those cartridges anyway, you can get away with using lower-quality ink without really noticing any difference in performance. But here’s the catch: if someone decides to go the cheap route with non-genuine ink, those Brother printers are going to end up in a landfill pretty fast. Why? Because that off-brand ink ends up flushing out the original pigment ink, creating this massive snowball effect that eventually clogs and seals off the pre-filter on the printhead.

Honestly, the only move that actually makes sense here is to just grab a brand-new Brother. You’d be better off ditching those original cartridges immediately so they don't contaminate the HP Ink Tank system or the pre-filters. Instead, just go straight for those refillable cartridges that come pre-loaded with ink specifically tested for Brother printers and HP Ink Tank setups.

Does anyone happen to know someone who could handle that kind of maintenance for you?
loneotter29 loneotter29 Newcomer
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#364 ·
Greetings. I am currently in the market for a printer with a budget of approximately $300. $133 It needs to include a scanner, and my primary concern is ensuring that replacement ink cartridges remain affordable; print speed and other secondary technical specifications are largely irrelevant to me.
Does anyone have any specific recommendations? Regarding payment, I am open to using cash, credit, or
PayPal.
Frank Barnes Frank Barnes Newcomer
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#365 ·
loneotter29 said:Hey, quick question—I’m looking to pick up a printer, but I need to keep it under $300. Any recommendations?$133I’ll definitely need a scanner included in the mix. Honestly, the most important thing for me is that replacement ink doesn't break the bank. As long as the print speed and all those other minor specs aren't a dealbreaker, I should be good to go.
What’s everyone’s take on this? I’m trying to figure out the best way to handle payment here. Should I stick with cash, go the credit card route, or just use PayPal? Any recommendations?

You’d basically have to find an HP model that actually takes those color replacements—you know, the HP 22 or the 28. Since you aren't even using black, what's the point? And honestly, by the time you shell out for a brand new set of compatibles, you're looking at a $70 hit. Is it even worth it? $33You could also grab one of those micro refill kits for... $6.75 Give it two or three charges and you’re right back within the specs. It fits the criteria perfectly, doesn't it?

It seems like none of the current models actually live up to your standards, does it?
loneotter29 loneotter29 Newcomer
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#366 ·
Frank Barnes As stated by:
The only viable option here would be an HP printer that accepts those colored replacement cartridges, specifically the HP 22 or HP 28 series. Since you aren't even using black ink, that isn't much of a factor. Just keep in mind that a brand-new set of replacements will run you about 70 bucks. $33You could also consider picking up a micro refill kit for that. $6.75 After two or three charges, you'll find that it actually falls right within the established criteria.

It appears that none of the currently available models actually meet your specific standards.

And which specific model are we even discussing here? Furthermore, why exactly do you insist that I avoid using black? What possible grievance could it have against the other colors?

Does anyone happen to have a recommendation for a printer from this selection?
I have reviewed the provided link, which appears to be a product listing page for various printers. Given the current selection available on this site, one might find themselves navigating a rather vast array of options, ranging from basic home office models to more robust enterprise solutions. It is quite an extensive catalog, though whether any particular unit meets a specific professional standard remains to be seen without further technical scrutiny.

Or perhaps something else entirely concrete.

My printing volume is likely limited to just one or two pages a day on occasion—essentially, I just want a printer on hand for whenever the need arises. However, having a scanner is an absolute non-negotiable requirement; without that functionality, the device is useless to me.
Frank Barnes Frank Barnes Newcomer
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#367 ·
loneotter29 said:Which model are we even talking about? And why on earth would you say I shouldn't use black? How does it interfere with anything else?

Is there maybe a specific printer listed on this site that you guys would recommend?
https://www.bestbuy.com/printers/...t=0&pg=1&pn=1z

Or maybe something else entirely?

Usage-wise, I’m looking at maybe one or two pages a day, occasionally. Just something to have on hand if the need arises. But it absolutely has to have a scanner—nothing without a scanner.

There are enough options on page 8 to fill a stadium.
http://www.hp.com/sbso/special/hp-su...ity-matrix.pdf

Basically, you could grab any functional printer like that for $17 and for $67 you can pick up an Adriatix + HP 28 bundle that comes with three 50ml ink refills and just go for it. When a cartridge runs dry, you just buy another compatible one and suddenly you've got a "new" printer again.

If you can't track one down somewhere, just check back here. We'll definitely find a package that fits what you're looking for.

As for the black ink, it works perfectly fine using the color cartridges. Plus, if you went with a compatible black cartridge in this scenario, the price would jump way past what you're aiming for.

Here are a couple of examples of how that looks in practice:

Google > Adriatix + HP 28
or
http://adriatix.com/A_HOT/PICT_2/HP-28-_1_LL.jpg
loneotter29 loneotter29 Newcomer
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#368 ·
Getting this ink for an HP DeskJet at this price point is actually a smart move, but honestly, how do you explain to someone who’s never owned a printer that those old-school machines were superior to what we have now? You buy one today, use it for a bit, and then toss it in the trash a year later anyway.
If I were picking something up for my own use, I’d go with something exactly like this.
Thanks.
Frank Barnes Frank Barnes Newcomer
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#369 ·
loneotter29 said:getting this specific ink for an HP Deskjet Ink Advantage 1515. is actually a smart move. but how do you even explain to someone who’s never owned a printer that those older models were built better? nowadays, you buy one, use it for a year, and then just toss it in the trash because it's broken.
if I were picking something out for myself, I'd go with something exactly like this.
thanks.

If you're looking for a way to save some cash, here's your chance.

The people who don't want to listen? They just wander around hitting their heads against walls, knocking on doors, and sending messages like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To whom it may concern,

do you happen to carry compatible toner cartridges?
1. HP CH562EE tri-colour 1 unit

2. HP CH561EE black ink 1 unit

for the HP Deskjet Ink Advantage 1515.

Please send over a quote.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><
Reply
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sorry 0 Points

We aren't aware of any third-party replacements that work with this device.

Best regards,

Atlantic
loneotter29 loneotter29 Newcomer
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#370 ·
Frank Barnes, this particular HP 3320 of yours doesn't even feature a scanner, which effectively disqualifies it from the conversation.
loneotter29 loneotter29 Newcomer
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#371 ·
Does anyone here happen to own an EPSON XP 205? I'm curious to hear if you're actually satisfied with its performance, especially since I noticed the ink cartridges seem quite inexpensive.
Steven Perez13 Steven Perez13 Newcomer
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#372 ·
Well, I guess it really depends on what you consider "cheap."

I had a similar setup before (an old SX125), and I actually have to haul it off to a recycling center sometime this week. The ink is just ridiculously expensive, and there’s barely any in the cartridges to begin with. I used to grab generic replacements for about $20-$10, but the real headache is how it drains all the colors even if you're just printing black text. After maybe 50 or 60 pages, you're already hunting for more ink, which runs about $80-$40. The color cartridges only last about as long as two black ones, even if you aren't using them at all.

So, when you do the math, you're looking at maybe $1-$0.67 per page, plus the cost of paper, which is just a total disaster. And don't even get me started on what it costs if you stick with the original brand name inks.

I eventually switched over to a budget monochrome laser printer. Now, I'm printing for maybe 10 cents a page—let's call it $0.10 just to be safe—plus the paper. If you compare that to the cost of 1,000 pages on the old setup, the difference is huge.

I suppose those ultra-cheap printers just aren't worth it if you actually intend to use them. And honestly, all those extra features like Wi-Fi, duplexing, or printing on CDs... they don't really matter much if the ink is going to bankrupt you anyway. Plus, those cheap third-party inks can sometimes jam the machine or leave smudges everywhere. Some are okay and some are terrible, but good luck trying to figure out which one is which with so many options out there.

If someone is planning on doing a lot of printing, they should probably invest in something more robust. Or, honestly, just hitting up a local print shop or FedEx Office might be a much better option than dealing with a cheap inkjet.
mistyharbor10 mistyharbor10 Newcomer
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#373 ·
I need some help here. Does anyone know if the Canon Pixma ip4850 can handle 250g cardstock for making business cards? Thanks.
darkowl72 darkowl72 Regular
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joined Oct 2015
#374 ·
Look, I haven't actually tried this myself, so take my word with a grain of salt!

The real issue is how the paper moves through the machine. Standard paper tends to curl during the printing and feeding process, which means it definitely wouldn't make it out of the tray without issues. However, that Pixma has a rear feed slot, and printers designed like that are usually built to handle thicker stock without wrecking the internal rollers. According to the specs, it can handle up to 300g/sqm, so theoretically, it should be fine...

http://www.trustedreviews.com/Canon-...review-summary

Just be careful—try a single sheet first and see what happens. If it jams, kill the power immediately. You shouldn't break anything trying it with just one piece of paper...
Drew Castillo5 Drew Castillo5 Member
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joined Nov 2014
#375 ·
mistyharbor10 said:I could really use some help here. Does anyone happen to know if a Canon Pixma ip4850 can handle 250g cardstock for printing business cards? Thanks.

Standard business cards usually call for about 300g weight, though I’m not entirely certain if an inkjet is the right tool for the job if you aren't planning on laminating them.
darkowl72 darkowl72 Regular
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joined Oct 2015
#376 ·
You can find a million different types of 300gsm paper or 250gsm cardstock out there. Honestly, you don't even need lamination if the stock isn't coated—if it's coated, the ink just won't soak in properly. Sometimes even a water-based varnish works, but that really depends on what you're working with.
restlessbear34 restlessbear34 Member
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joined Jan 2015
#377 ·
I'm looking to pick up a new printer soon. I just need something straightforward for the occasional few pages here and there—maybe some scanning too—and ideally something that isn't a total money pit when it comes to ink. Just looking for a solid best buy. I don't really care about brands or anything. I definitely don't need Wi-Fi or any networking features.

My old Canon finally gave up on me; the print head died. The repair guy told me straight up that it’d be cheaper to just grab a brand-new machine than to try and fix the head. I didn't leave it plugged in all the time either—only turned it on when I actually needed to print—so I'm guessing the ink just dried up and turned into a brick. There's no saving that one.

Budget is around $500— $200.

Any advice would be much appreciated! 😉
George Sanders37 George Sanders37 Active Member
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#378 ·
restlessbear34 said:I'm looking to pick up a new printer. I just need something straightforward for printing a few pages here and there—maybe some scanning too—and ideally something that won't drain ink constantly. Looking for a bit of a best buy. I don't really have a brand preference or anything. I don't need Wi-Fi or networking features.

I used to have a Canon, but the print head died. The repair guy told me it’d actually be cheaper to just grab a whole new machine than try to fix the head. I didn't leave it plugged in all the time—only when I needed it—so I'm thinking maybe the ink just dried up and there's nothing I can do about it.

Budget is around $500— $200.

Any help would be appreciated. 😉

Are you aware that the same thing might happen if you go with another inkjet? So, I guess... would you rather stick with an inkjet or move to a laser printer?
restlessbear34 restlessbear34 Member
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#379 ·
I just realized I’ve been doing it all wrong—keeping it powered off all the time isn't the move.

If the laser option gives better quality without breaking the bank, then why not?

And hey, let's drop the formalities. We aren't at the IRS. 😁
George Sanders37 George Sanders37 Active Member
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#380 ·
They might not be cheaper upfront, but they can just sit there without printing—whereas with an inkjet, you'll probably need to run a few pages through at least once a week. In the long run, if you're forgetful like me, getting a laser printer is probably more worth it 😁.

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