Hardtail mountain bike with disc brakes under $400, most popular bike on the forum... honestly, is i

Hey there, folks.

Stuck at work with nothing to do, so I’m scrolling through this forum again while keeping an eye on bike listings in another window. Looking at the prices... everything is way above the average American salary. It’s no wonder the most sought-after bikes on here are the budget ones. $833.

If the average BMX is... $833Folding bikes. A niche market. $1500With a $1,000 budget, let's be realistic about what you're actually getting from a hardtail mountain bike with disc brakes. Don't expect much more than an entry-level machine. $833 Who’s getting hit with the most questions in this thread?Which bike to buy? Depends on what you're actually planning to do."?

I took a look at the prices for those little mountain towns recently. Most of them are way overpriced. $1333It’s easily north of a thousand bucks at this point. Honestly, it leaves me with the distinct impression that these people are just... $833 Substandard.🤷

Most requests follow the same pattern: they want to ride around Mount Rainier, hit some trails, or just cruise the streets on their way to the office. They’re looking for a solid all-around bike because there isn't enough cash to justify anything more specialized. Give me a recommendation. $833.
If you’re actually planning on dropping serious cash for that ridiculous bike—the one that supposedly jumps, talks, and does everything under the sun—you might as well dig even deeper into your pockets. Might as well go all in.🙂

Looking at mountain bike prices across the board again. I'm getting the impression there isn't a single quality build out there worth the money. $833 Except for those occasional flash sales.

What’s your honest take on this?

Sean Myers31 said:I get the feeling there hasn't been a decent hill like this since $833 ,

What’s the honest consensus here?

To be perfectly honest, you've got a good intuition

But if I'm being even more blunt, you're just incredibly bored.

Why does it feel like we’re just spinning our wheels, repeating the exact same arguments over and over again...🤷

It’s getting pretty tedious, honestly. He clearly isn't interested in reading through the material; he’d much rather just jump straight into the debate.😁

Dana Reyes5 said:It’s tedious. He can't be bothered to read, preferring to just argue instead.😁

Hheheh. Work's been pretty thin lately. 🙂 So that’s what that means. Total garbage. Heading out for coffee now.
You're welcome.

mine doesn't look anything like 😁
http://www.bikeszone.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=22&t=2627
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What we’re really trying to get across to everyone is that every single "montic" is going to eventually... $833 It’ll be more than enough for cruising around Central Park or hitting those paved trails near Chicago. Honestly, if you're just looking to ride the local loops and cruise the neighborhood, you really couldn't ask for much more. Why overcomplicate things?
Look, I'm not saying we're talking about some mind-blowing, top-tier luxury quality here. But will it last? If you actually take care of it and keep up with the maintenance, absolutely. It’ll stay solid for years. Isn't that what really matters anyway?

Problems start popping up—just like you noticed—when that bike is absolutely forced to have disc brakes. Even if they’re just some cheap, no-name junk that you can't trust, which honestly makes riding pretty sketchy. You know how it goes? You're stuck with them because the bike HAS to be capable of hitting trails like Mount Rainier for serious downhill runs. 🙄 It really has to be a Trek. Honestly, even if you go with another brand, it needs to be something that serves as a constant reminder to the owner that they’re basically just riding a two-wheeled version of a golf cart. 🙂

We haven't found a cure for this yet, and honestly, I don't think we ever will. It’s that classic American mindset where people will juggle three different smartphones and upgrade their tech every single year, yet they’ll balk at spending $400 on a decent bike once a decade. Why is that?

I’ve been mulling over the idea of putting together an FAQ to help folks understand why investing in a higher-quality bike upfront actually pays off. I want to lay out some clear guidelines on pricing versus intended use, too—mostly so we can stop seeing those same repetitive posts we've all noticed lately. But honestly, experience tells me that nobody ever actually reads a massive FAQ, let alone the very first post in a "Which bike should I buy?" thread. So, what's even the point? 🙂

Charles Bailey45 said:I considered putting together an FAQ to explain why investing in a higher-end bike upfront actually pays off, plus some general price-to-usage guidelines—mostly to stop the repetitive posts we've all seen. But experience tells me nobody actually reads a massive FAQ, let alone the opening post in a "Which bike should I buy?" thread. So, what's the point? 🙂

It's a lost cause. It’s just the same loop over and over again. Still, that's the reality.
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Charles Bailey45 said:I have been mulling over the idea of drafting some sort of comprehensive FAQ—something designed to illustrate why investing in a higher-quality, slightly more expensive bicycle from the jump actually pays dividends, while also providing clear guidelines on pricing versus intended usage. My goal would be to preempt those repetitive, unhelpful threads we all see too often. However, if past experience is any indication, nobody ever bothers to read a massive FAQ, let alone the opening post in a "Which bike should I buy?" thread. So, I find myself asking: what is even the point? 🙂

Go ahead. I’m listening. 😁
While I have absolutely no intention of pulling the trigger on a new bike myself anytime soon, I find myself increasingly captivated by the sheer volume of inquiries regarding the "how" and "why" of the purchasing process. It is a fascinating study in human behavior. There are certainly those among us who actually take the time to pore over the official FAQ, absorbing the wisdom laid out there until their questions are answered, choosing to move forward in silence rather than cluttering the discourse. But then, there is the other breed—the ones for whom advice is merely a suggestion to be ignored. You can point them toward the most logical, cost-effective, or high-performance option available, giving them a roadmap to success, only to watch them stubbornly steer their own ship directly into a metaphorical iceberg. Honestly, when someone receives expert guidance only to deliberately choose the exact opposite path, one begins to wonder if they are seeking a solution or simply seeking an argument. For that particular group, I fear all the wisdom in the world won't make a lick of difference.

Charles Bailey45 said:I’ve been thinking about putting together an FAQ to help people understand why investing in a higher-quality, slightly more expensive bike upfront actually pays off. I wanted to include some pricing guidelines based on how people ride (just so we can avoid those repetitive posts you've noticed), but honestly, experience tells me nobody ever reads a massive FAQ—let alone the very first post in a "Which bike should I buy?" thread. So, what's the point? 🙂

🙏 Go for it, write it! There will always be a mountain of clueless people asking the same things, but there are plenty of us who actually want to read up and learn something. 😉

Discs are treated like a must-have just because they look flashy to people who don't actually know anything about bikes—doesn't matter if it's Shimanov XTR or Pevecov ŽBLJ, it's all just eye candy to them. Meanwhile, V-brakes are considered "outdated," though honestly, who's even riding those kinds of bikes anymore anyway?
Unfortunately, you can't reason with a huge chunk of people. It’s impossible to prove to them that when you're spending that kind of money, it's much smarter, safer, and higher quality to go with a V-brake rather than some shitty disc setup.

Charles Bailey45 said:What we’re really trying to get across is that any decent mountain bike up to $833 is gonna be more than enough for hitting the trails at Central Park, cruising the local embankments near Chicago, or whatever else.
It’s not like we’re talking about some top-tier, pro-level gear, but if you take care of it? Yeah, it’ll last you years.

I mean, imagine if we actually had to sit people down and explain that you don't need a high-end racing rig just to ride around Central Park or the city outskirts... 😁

placidcanyon2 said:What would happen if we actually started explaining things to people? You know, like pointing out that you don't go out and buy entire mountains just to fix up Central Park, the city, or the waterfront embankments. Just a thought! 😁

🙂

We gave it a shot—Krešimir, Mazgov, Tvuk, and myself—but we didn't have any luck. Plus, we had to deal with constant sarcasm and judgment from those people who insist on splitting cyclists into "mountain bikers" versus "roadies." 🙄

Honestly, I’m just over it. If people want to ride downhill bikes around Central Park, that’s their business, but I’m officially washing my hands of the whole thing. 😉

Joshua Hayes5 said:Basically, disc brakes are a "must-have" because they look cool to people who don't actually know much about bikes—whether it's high-end Shimanov XTR or some Pevecov ŽBLJ setup. V-brakes are just seen as outdated, and honestly, who even rides those kinds of bikes anymore?
Unfortunately, a lot of people are just hard to convince that for that kind of money, you're way better off getting a solid v-brake setup that's safer and higher quality than some cheap, shitty disc brakes.

True... I haven't actually tried any mechanical disc brakes yet that could beat the v-brakes I had on my old Schwinn.

placidcanyon2 said:Imagine if we actually tried explaining to people that you don't need to drop a fortune on high-end mountain bikes just to ride around Central Park or cruise through Chicago along the waterfront... 😁

Honestly, this whole thing fascinates me too! It’s like so many people feel embarrassed riding a basic hybrid or a trekking bike. They think they absolutely have to have at least 2-inch knobby tires just to buzz around town. But hey, when you see how many massive SUVs are clogging up the streets, I guess it shouldn't be a surprise—everyone just wants to look "tough," right? 🙄

placidcanyon2 said:Just imagine if we actually tried to explain to people that they don't go to Central Park, the city, or the waterfront to ride mountain bikes... 😁

Charles Bailey45 said:🙂
We really gave it a shot—Krešimir, Mazgov, Tvuk, and myself—but it was a lost cause. We just ended up getting yelled at and flamed by people who insist on dividing all bicycles into "mountain bikes vs. road bikes" 🙄...

So, I’ve officially thrown in the towel; as far as I'm concerned, let them ride their downhill rigs through Central Park 😉if they want to.

Ronald Diaz said:Man, this part fascinates me too! It turns out there's a huge stigma where people feel ashamed riding hybrid bikes. They feel like they need at least 2-inch tires just to buzz around town and look the part. But hey, when you see how many massive SUVs are cruising our streets, it’s no surprise—it’s all about looking "tough." 🙄

I’d give it a 5 out of 5—but for education to actually stick, it needs to be a long-term effort backed by actual inventory. We need knowledgeable shop employees who will actually recommend those types of bikes to customers.
Around here, you can count hybrid bikes on one hand because that’s what customers demand 🙄, and most people don't even know they exist.
And don't even get me started—if it isn't a massive truck, I'd rather just walk to the local coffee shop...😍

Well, if nothing works... maybe try checking Craigslist or eBay... you might find a decent used one there.

Dennis White2 said:If all else fails... just hit up Craigslist or eBay and hunt down a solid used one.

I think you're applying some pretty over-the-top principles here. 🙄
People aren't even asking what new gear is hitting the shelves yet, let alone how they're going to find a decent used deal.
If everyone already had everything they needed, this whole thread wouldn't even exist in the first place.