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Health effects of Polyvinyl chloride (urgent help needed!)

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Sophia Barrett66 Sophia Barrett66 NewcomerOP
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If anyone here has experience with this, I could really use some answers. I work at a plastics manufacturing plant, and over the last two days, I’ve been molding some kind of Polyvinyl chloride. I’ve been inhaling the fumes because the management is being cheap about providing proper respirators. I need to know: is it true that Polyvinyl chloride is carcinogenic? Is there anything I can do right now to mitigate the damage before I can get to a doctor? Also, how much exposure does it take before you’re looking at serious long-term health issues?

I apologize for the language, but honestly, I’m so frustrated I feel like I might lose it with my boss. I didn't even realize what chemicals I was working with until yesterday.
All day today and yesterday, I've been dealing with thick, yellowish phlegm, a sore throat, and a heavy, wheezing feeling in my chest.

Thanks in advance for any help. I haven't been able to find any clear information on this anywhere.
Sandra Scott8 Sandra Scott8 Newcomer
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Peter Wood85 said:If anyone actually knows about this, I need answers. I work at a plastics plant. I'm 20 years old. For the last two days, I've been molding some random Polyvinyl chloride stuff and inhaled the fumes because management is too cheap to provide masks. Is it true that Polyvinyl chloride is carcinogenic? How can I neutralize this crap before I see a doctor? How much exposure does it take to seriously wreck your health?

Apologies for the language, but I'm close to breaking my boss's legs. I didn't even know what I was working with until yesterday.

All day today and yesterday, I've been spitting yellow phlegm. My throat hurts and my breath smells foul.

Thanks in advance for any replies. I can't find anything useful on this online.

Get in touch with the CDC. Contact prof. Franjo Plavšić; they should have the answers. Occupational medicine specialists should know this too. Here is the smartest way to handle it:
1. Go to your primary care physician and tell them exactly what’s happening. They will refer you to an occupational medicine specialist. It is vital to have a documented medical record of these symptoms.
2. Find out which occupational medicine doctor handles your company. Tell that doctor everything.
That is all I know.🤷
Timothy Vaughn44 Timothy Vaughn44 Member
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Did you happen to inhale actual PVC or was it more likely vinyl chloride? I'm thinking since they use it to make plastic—which is basically what PVC is—the stuff might be in a gaseous state during that process. Honestly, I’m not entirely sure what you meant by "spraying" it, so I don't know if you were breathing in the finished PVC or just the monomer itself, though I suspect it was probably the latter since, as far as I know, PVC doesn't really exist in a gaseous state like its monomer does.
I’ll admit I'm definitely no tech expert when it comes to industrial processes, but from what I understand, vinyl chloride (the building block for PVC) is a known carcinogen, even if the finished PVC isn't necessarily classified that way, though you never quite know when things might break back down into that monomer form.
Sophia Barrett66 Sophia Barrett66 NewcomerOP
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Here’s how the process works: you take the raw material—Polyvinyl chloride in pellet form, delivered in bags—and feed it into a machine. That machine melts the material through a nozzle using intense heat. During that melting stage, or when the Polyvinyl chloride is being injected or sprayed into a mold to create the final product, it releases combustion vapors. In my workspace, those fumes are hovering just a foot or two from my face. It’s practically impossible not to inhale them. On a separate note, I would really appreciate some concrete data regarding the carcinogenicity or general toxicity of burning these materials, specifically Polyvinyl chloride. What are the actual health effects and long-term consequences?

I headed to the ER yesterday because I honestly didn't have the patience to sit around waiting. But here’s the kicker: after sitting there for an hour, once it was finally my turn, they rushed me through the whole thing in less than five minutes. It was just: "Open up, say ahh, you're fine, you can go." They basically told me that while what I'm dealing with is dangerous over a long period, I shouldn't really have anything to worry about right now. I don't know—the whole thing felt like an incredibly dismissive, rushed exam.
Timothy Vaughn44 Timothy Vaughn44 Member
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I can't seem to track down that specific research booklet regarding the carcinogenicity of vinyl chloride...😢
I think for the most part Polyvinyl chloride isn't carcinogenic itself, but monovinyl chloride (MVC) definitely is—and I believe it's actually a procarcinogen. At room temperature, MVC turns into vapor, so it's basically a gas. If I recall correctly from reading that booklet, there were stories about factory workers in plastic manufacturing who ended up passing away from cancer. Generally, anyone working in those synthesis chambers where they produce Polyvinyl and inhale those vapors over several years ends up facing serious health risks. That was specifically about the raw production side of things, though, so I'm not entirely sure if making finished plastic products carries the exact same level of risk.
Of course, the damage scales up with long-term exposure, but even short-term contact isn't something you want to take lightly, so my best advice is just to stay far away from that line of work altogether.
As for what happens when you burn Polyvinyl chloride, I'd guess it releases MVC.😢
When it comes to MVC poisoning, it's linked to a rare type of liver cancer, so honestly, the smartest move for your future is to get regular liver checkups, like routine blood work and screenings.
It would also be a really good idea to consult an occupational medicine specialist; they are the real experts on this stuff since it falls directly under their umbrella. In fact, it was an occupational specialist who originally handed me that research booklet about MVC carcinogenicity among factory workers, as they specialize in all those illnesses tied to specific workplaces.
Anyway, here is some info I found online about vinyl chloride and its impact on your wellbeing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_c...Health_effects
Timothy Vaughn44 Timothy Vaughn44 Member
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Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) has been around for over 70 years now, and it’s easily one of the heavy hitters in the polymer world, making up about 20% of the entire global polymer market. Even though there are plenty of technical hurdles and economic headaches involved in making it—not to mention all the pushback from environmentalists regarding the risks of chlorine chemistry and its impact on nature—experts estimate that global demand for PVC will keep climbing at an annual rate of 4.5% through 2010. Essentially, PVC is created by polymerizing vinyl chloride (VC) using free-radical processes, which can be done via suspension, emulsion, or mass polymerization. On a global scale, about 80% of what we see comes from suspension polymerization, with 12% coming from emulsion and 8% from mass polymerization. In the suspension method, the monomer—which is liquefied vinyl chloride—gets mechanically dispersed into water and undergoes polymerization using a soluble initiator within the monomer, along with some protective colloids. It’s a batch process carried out in a closed system. From an environmental standpoint, modern suspension polymerization actually deals with relatively few issues; the biggest concern was the carcinogenicity of the vinyl chloride monomer, which came to light back in 1973. Once the global public was alerted, technologists, doctors, and scientists jumped into action to find solutions, effectively eliminating the risk of monomer emissions during production, protecting workers from exposure to carcinogenic VC, and preventing high concentrations of residual monomer in the final product. Strict maximum limits for VC concentrations have since been established. Thanks to today's manufacturing methods—like stripping and recovering unreacted vinyl chloride, de-monomerizing the polymer suspension, treating wastewater, and maintaining tight control over the whole production cycle—facilities can operate safely, allowing PVC to be used reliably in everything from food packaging and pharmaceuticals to medical supplies.

I suppose, just like with pretty much anything else, you'll always have people claiming one thing or another, and honestly, a lot of it feels like they try to sweep things under the rug because, well, can you even imagine life in America without plastic? Not to mention the massive profits being made off of it, of course. 🙄

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