Gardasil: HPV vaccine info and discussion

rowdypanther12 said:I don't want people thinking I'm out here promoting the vaccine, but you need to get your information from professionals you actually trust instead of just listening to random emails.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You probably aren't even the parent of a young girl, and if this were your own child, I assume you'd be a lot more cautious and skeptical after hearing about even one serious side effect from this shot. If you aren't, well, sorry, but I am. I think we are dealing with something serious and significant here. That email mentioned isn't what prompted me to start this thread; in fact, it was the first time I'd even seen it until I read it here. Some claims might not be phrased perfectly, but the core facts have been backed up by reputable news outlets like CNN and CBS featuring real people and their actual stories! That is what I believe.
One more thing—mass vaccinations of teenagers with this specific shot started right here in America about two and a half years ago. Based on that timeframe, there should already be enough data for a collective analysis and a solid conclusion. You claim we should consult "professionals" we trust 😁, but who exactly are those supposed to be? My daughter hasn't been vaccinated since this was approved in the US. Am I supposed to ask my primary care doctor or my dentist? A neighbor who works at a hospital? The reality is that here in the States there aren't (so far) enough recipients of the Gardasil vaccine for doctors to confidently say "get it" or "don't." Based on experiences from abroad, doctors are split—some agree the vaccine is dangerous and under-researched, while others say it's fine.
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Off: Heading to the pediatrician later today, so I’ll hit you guys up after.

You all hit the nail on the head, but I’ve got one quick side note. These debates always spiral into these extreme "pro" vs "anti" camps, making it impossible for any decent parent to actually reach a logical conclusion. In this day and age, being informed is basically your only lifeline.

For those of you who aren't leaning toward the alternative medicine route, just a heads-up: I have two friends who cleared HPV using nothing but conventional medicine.

Yeah, I’d vaccinate my girls.

The reason is simple: if I can lower their risk of cervical cancer, I'm doing it.

Look, every vaccine or medication comes with side effects. You just have to stay informed and weigh the options. This whole thing about x kids dying from vaccine side effects doesn't really tell me much. Out of how many vaccinated people? And which of those cases are actually linked to the shot? Just because someone dies while taking a drug or a vaccine, it has to be reported—but that doesn't mean they died *because* of the drug. You could die from pneumonia while taking an antibiotic, but that doesn't mean the antibiotic killed you.

Vaccinating a kid doesn't mean they don't need protection during sex later on, and it certainly doesn't mean they're going to be out there having unprotected sex constantly. It just means the risk of cervical cancer from certain types of HPV is lowered.

My sisters even got the hepatitis b vaccine back before it was part of the standard schedule. I just think the benefits outweigh the risks in those cases.
But, for example, I wouldn't vaccinate my kid against chickenpox. Or hepatitis A. I'm just saying this to clarify that I'm not blindly pro-vaccine for everything. As a parent, I weigh the pros and cons.

But when it comes to the HPV vaccine, I don't have any doubts.

And regarding curing HPV with homeopathic remedies, I'll believe that when I see actual data comparing a homeopathy group to a placebo group—and whether there's a statistically significant difference. As it stands, some people recover... yeah, some people just recover spontaneously.

A vaccine alone isn't going to cut it if you aren't actually following through with full prevention measures. There's a segment airing on CBS today, so it might be worth tuning in if you want to stay informed.

bluehawk73 said:Just because you vaccinate a child doesn't mean they can abandon protection during sexual encounters, nor does it imply they’ll be engaging in reckless behavior. It simply means we have mitigated the risk of cervical cancer caused by certain strains of HPV.

What kind of subtext are we actually feeding to young girls when we push these vaccinations at age thirteen to protect them against an STI like HPV? The unspoken message being broadcast is one of perceived safety and readiness for sexual activity.

Sandra Sullivan83 said:What kind of message are we actually sending to 13-year-old girls getting vaccinated against a sexually transmitted HPV? The subtext seems to be: you're safe and good to go whenever you decide to get active.

Nah, I don't think so. That’s not really the point: it just lowers the risk of certain HPV strains. It’s like saying we give kids a hepatitis b shot just so they can go out and do drugs.

But hey, it doesn't protect them from other HPV types, HIV, or any other STDs... not to mention unplanned pregnancies, I guess.

And they get it at that age because you've gotta get it done BEFORE they, uh, start doing that stuff.

I’ve got three girls, so this whole topic hits pretty close to home... luckily I’ve still got four years before I have to make a call on whether to go through with the shots, though right now—honestly?—I’m leaning toward no.🤷

The biggest thing bugging me is that the vaccine only covers 2 out of the 4 types of HPV.

Sandra Martin72—hey, your post actually helped me out a bit. But look, by the time four years pass, I'll be a lot smarter about this, and things will hopefully become clearer by then.

darkranger69 said:I have three daughters, so this entire conversation hits incredibly close to home for me. Fortunately, I still have about four years before I need to make a final call on whether or not to go through with the vaccinations, though if I’m being honest, my gut is currently leaning toward passing on them.🤷

What weighs most heavily on my mind—the part that truly gnaws at me—is the fact that this vaccine only targets two out of the four primary types of HPV. It feels like an incomplete solution to a much larger problem.

Sandra Martin72 To be perfectly honest, your post provided me with some much-needed perspective, even if only slightly. I suppose I’ll be a bit more enlightened by the time four years have rolled around, but until then, I’ll just have to wait for certain things to finally crystallize.

I find myself sharing that same hope—that we will eventually see a vaccine capable of targeting every single strain of HPV.😁

Let’s be honest, HPV can be a real nightmare if you aren't staying on top of things. It’s like ignoring a slow leak in your basement—you might think everything is fine for a while, but if women aren't getting regular Pap tests, they're essentially flying blind. You see people waiting five years between screenings and then acting completely blindsided when a Pap test actually comes back showing carcinoma. You can't just ignore the maintenance and expect the machinery to keep running perfectly.

If you have any further inquiries regarding HPV, feel free to reach out via private message.

bluehawk73 said:Yes, I would vaccinate my daughters.

The reasoning is simple: if I have the power to lower their risk of cervical cancer, I am going to do it.

Every vaccine or medication carries its own set of side effects. One must remain informed and weigh the options carefully. The claim that x children died from vaccine consequences tells me nothing without context. Out of how many vaccinated individuals? How many of those cases were actually clinically linked to the vaccine? (For instance, if someone dies of pneumonia while taking an antibiotic, that death is reported—but it doesn't mean the antibiotic caused the death.)

Vaccinating a child does not mean they should abandon protection during sexual intercourse, nor does it imply they will be reckless. It simply means the risk of cervical cancer from certain types of HPV is reduced.

My sisters were vaccinated against hepatitis b back before it was part of the standard schedule. This is because I believe the benefits outweigh the risks associated with the shot.
However, I wouldn't vaccinate my child against chickenpox, for example. Or against hepatitis A. I am just clarifying that I am not blindly "pro-vaccine" for everything. As a parent, I weigh the pros and cons.

But when it comes to the HPV vaccine, I have no doubts.

As for curing HPV with homeopathic remedies, I will only take that seriously once I see comparative studies between a homeopathy group and a placebo group showing a statistically significant difference. As it stands, some people recover... well, some people recover spontaneously.

I completely agree!👍
That article mentioned above is full of nonsense and inaccuracies regarding HPV being a cause of cancer and the actual incidence rates. Things are being taken out of context and presented in a way meant to confuse and incite panic. I haven't studied Gardasil in exhaustive detail, but it is certainly a credit to science that an HPV vaccine finally exists, and I can only hope they develop ones for the other subtypes soon.
Regarding alternative treatments, I am entirely open to them, but strictly as a supplement to conventional medicine when dealing with serious diseases like cancer. I would never recommend relying solely on an alternative approach.

darkranger69 put together an excellent post.
I’d like to weigh in with two points of my own.
1. The actual efficacy of Gardasil is highly questionable—if not outright unproven. On the flip side, we have very clear evidence regarding the risk of serious side effects.
2. Just because you find HPV within cancer cells doesn't mean the virus actually caused the malignancy. There is a theory that the virus simply colonizes the most "opportunistic" cells, which happen to be the ones already compromised by cancer.

Personally, I would avoid Gardasil at all costs.

Honestly, what’s happening right now is a total disgrace—just a massive scam. It’s infuriating to see taxpayer money being flushed down the drain like this. I bet the real story behind all this is incredibly shady. They even had the nerve to package the whole campaign as some humanitarian drive to set up a support center for breast cancer patients. They used photos of those poor women to pull at heartstrings, and then one of them actually passed away in the meantime 😢 It was sickening how Walmart was selling plastic bags as part of the fundraiser—just plain gross...
And don't even get me started on Gardasil... I swear, I hope more parents wake up and save their daughters from that nightmare! There is no way I'd ever vaccinate my child!

I don't have a daughter, but if I did, I wouldn't be vaccinating her...
There are just too many unknowns. This vaccine only offers protection for a limited window of time, and it barely covers even a fraction of the different strains out there.

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In New York City, there is currently a "free vaccination" drive targeting elementary school students against the cause of cervical cancer, the human papillomavirus (HPV). This initiative utilizes the controversial Gardasil vaccine produced by Merck.

Major international news outlets, such as CNN, CBS, and MSNBC, have reported on the negative side effects associated with Gardasil. Yet, during this public campaign pushing for the shots, the American public has been kept almost entirely in the dark about these issues.

During the first 26 months after Gardasil was approved in the USA (specifically up until August 2008), the FDA received 8,000 reports of illnesses and deaths following the administration of the vaccine. Reported complications include paralysis, seizures, spasms, heart irregularities, kidney failure, vision problems, arthritis, breathing difficulties, severe rashes, frequent vomiting, miscarriages, menstrual irregularities, reproductive system disorders, as well as genital warts, vaginal sores, and HPV infections—ironically, the very diseases the vaccine is meant to prevent. Death is also among the consequences.

CBS News: Cases of death and brain damage following Gardasil vaccination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfU6y6KhEOI

CNN: A report on Gardasil side effects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_13plsrydPY

MSNBC: A report on deaths following Gardasil vaccination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqZNhOclixc

Spain withdrew over 75,000 doses of the vaccine due to adverse reactions

The infectious disease epidemiology department within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services does not recommend including this vaccination in the mandatory vaccination program.

Despite the lack of public discussion, there is virtually no direct evidence regarding the efficacy of this vaccine for the 9-15 age group. While cervical cancer is caused by HPV genotypes 16 and 18 in about 70% of cases—which this vaccine covers—the remaining 30% of cancers are linked to other genotypes. There are 13 other potential causative genotypes that Gardasil does not protect against.

To see a presentation regarding the dangers and inefficiency of Gardasil, watch this video.
http://thinkwise.com/hpv_show.htm

The vaccination process involves three separate doses, costing a total of $1100 per student. This is funded by the taxpayers through the New York City budget. For this specific purpose, $4 million was allocated from the 2009 budget. So, this isn't actually "free," despite how it is being framed to the public. Cervical cancer caused by this virus is relatively rare, accounting for only 3.3% of all female cancer cases. Large-scale initiatives by cities or counties to mass-vaccinate girls of a certain age—usually those in the seventh grade—often lack a sound public health justification. We are seeing massive amounts of money being poured into this with minimal, or perhaps even negative, public health benefits when you consider the aforementioned risks.

Since the full scope of the risks regarding this announced "free" HPV vaccination in New York City hasn't been made public, we really ought to look deeper into the potential health impacts on our own children. I encourage you to push for more transparent public debate in the media and within our government institutions. Talk to your children; they are the ones bearing the physical risks of this decision. You have the right, alongside your child, to decide whether to accept or decline Gardasil. Please, do your own research on Gardasil and share this information with others.

Additional info:

National Vaccine Information Center – HPV vaccination archives
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/hpv.aspx
http://www.grinpro.com/Movies/HPVHiSpeed.wmv

The President of the National Vaccine Information Center is speaking out about how the government has overlooked severe side effects and fatalities, calling for a formal Congressional investigation.
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...29&newsLang=en

Archive of articles regarding vaccine risks
http://www.naturalnews.com/Vaccines.html

A scientist, whose twenty years of research on HPV actually paved the way for this vaccine, is now arguing that mandating it for students under 18 could be counterproductive and might even lead to higher cancer rates.
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1550/2/
An email circulating with these links.

It’s honestly eye-opening to realize just how tiny a fraction of actual side effects actually gets reported. Some studies claim we’re looking at as little as 1%. So, even if you take a more conservative figure like 10%, you really ought to be multiplying all those reported side effects by ten just to get a realistic picture.

Hmmmmm, if I had a daughter at the age where they offer this shot, I wouldn't sign off on it, and here is why: that vaccine is still basically in its infancy scientifically, it only protects against a handful of strains, and the coverage just doesn't last long enough.☕
Furthermore, my family is full of doctors, pharmacists, and virologists—I've spent my entire life listening to people talk shop about serum production, vaccines, and meds. Vaccine tech is an entire science unto itself; you’ve got live, attenuated, and inactivated virus vaccines, and honestly, judging by how many side effects are being reported around Gardasil, I don't think the folks over at Merck have actually mastered the technology to the level this specific shot requires. Don't get me wrong, Merck is a solid pharmaceutical company and their other vaccines are totally fine, but Gardasil is the new kid on the block, and virologists still have work to do finding that perfect balance of "liveness" in the vaccine virus to ensure the body actually builds proper antibodies and develops immunity.😉

The thing I would actually do for my own kid, or even for myself, is go for genetic code analysis via PCR testing. It’s a bit pricey, sure, but it’s a once-in-a-lifetime thing that reliably identifies inherited genetic mutations that could eventually—though not necessarily—trigger some kind of tumor later down the line. You can get this done here; the specialists are top-tier, it's just that most people aren't aware it's an option, and since PCR machines are so expensive, they’re only available at maybe one or two locations in places like Mexico or the US.
To me, that seems like a smart way to handle prevention; if they find a DNA mutation, you take precautions, and even if cancer does show up, it’ll be caught in the earliest stages. If nothing turns up, then you know whether there's a hereditary factor at play and what the percentage risk is for future generations, and if everything looks clean, then it’s on the parents to teach the kids (both boys and girls) how to protect themselves from HPV, specifically when we're talking about cervical cancer or papillomas.

So, I am 27 years old, I have HPV, and just a few months ago I underwent surgery for my cervix... it’s a long story...
The vaccine hasn't been fully tested—it HASN'T. If you choose to vaccinate your children, you are knowingly putting them at risk, because aren't we all aware that doctors don't actually know everything?
HPV... it isn't strictly a sexually transmitted disease; in fact... it seems like every other virgin tests positive for HPV, but the reality is that it can settle in the body and stay dormant for up to 14 years!!
This vaccine is nothing more than a scare tactic... it really ought to be pulled from the market since it doesn't provide actual protection. Who can possibly guarantee that if a girl gets vaccinated, then five years later she sleeps with a boyfriend who has genital warts, she won't catch them?! She will, she absolutely will... especially since even condoms don't protect against HPV.....
There are about 50 different strains of HPV, and some are transmitted through touch, through the air, or through sexual intercourse.....
It is incredibly important to teach girls about hygiene so they can educate young men, or so you can educate your husbands; I mean, does every man, for example, wash his hands after using the restroom?! And how many of them wash before?? Only those who have already become infected... those who have touched lesions and are now being careful.... HPV is the plague of the 21st century, something that doctors have no clue how to handle.... the vaccine... it's just not right... absolutely not...

Wait, hold on... HPV isn't a sexually transmitted disease?! Then what on earth is it supposed to be? What are you even talking about? You didn't catch HPV from shaking someone's hand... honestly, it feels like every other young girl is testing positive for it. This is just nonsense! HPV is spread through sexual contact, plain and simple!
As for Gardasil, I don't know exactly how high-quality the vaccine is, but look at it this way: how do you tell a 15-year-old girl to always use a condom during sex? There's always going to be that one time where someone forgets or decides not to use one, and then—bam—you've picked up HPV. That's just the risk involved. In my opinion, if that's the case, Gardasil is definitely the better option.

Emily Ross39 said:Is HPV not a sexually transmitted disease?!? Then what is it? I mean, what are you even talking about? You don't contract HPV just from shaking someone's hand... almost every other virgin tests positive for HPV... how is that even possible? HPV is transmitted through sexual contact!
As for how high-quality the Gardasil vaccine actually is, I suppose I don't know, but on the other hand, how do you tell a 15-year-old girl to always use a condom during intercourse, when there is always going to be someone who doesn't use one, and then suddenly—bam—you catch HPV that very time... well, that's the risk involved, so in my opinion, Gardasil seems like the better option.

HPV isn't exclusively transmitted through sexual contact!!!!!!
I think you all lack a clear understanding here, because if someone has low-risk HPV, such as warts appearing on their hands, you could potentially catch it too!!!
Please try not to speak about matters you aren't familiar with; furthermore, condoms do not provide protection against HPV, as someone can carry it for many years without it being active....
On the cin123+hpv websites, there are people who truly understand these issues, so perhaps you could find some free education there!☕

Emily Ross39 said:So you're telling me HPV isn't an STD?!?!

She said it wasn't *only* sexually transmitted, she didn't say it wasn't an STD at all.

There’s a Nexus large article about Gardasil out right now, which includes an interview with some "gender" experts... It’s actually really informative and makes some solid points.