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New monitors, new resolutions

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darkowl72 darkowl72 RegularOP
311 messages
joined Oct 2015
#1 ·
We all know the drill: manufacturers pushed the transition from 4:3 monitors to 16:9 or 16:10 (8:5) formats because they claimed it was more "natural" for the human eye to look at... fine... we survived that shift...

But let's be real—LCD panel manufacturers just wanted to cut more individual panels out of their raw materials. The old 4:3 format was incredibly inefficient; there was way too much wasted material. By cutting more widescreen panels from the same sheet of raw material, they can sell them cheaper, which actually benefits us... You can still find 4:3 panels today, though they're rare and significantly more expensive for the exact reasons I just mentioned...

Even though this hasn't been that long and we aren't exactly begging for more changes, it doesn't save us any money. Again, the panel makers claim it's not their fault, but rather that the "entertainment" and "consumer electronics" segments of the market—which, if you ask me, is basically just us—aren't happy with widescreen panels because they don't meet their needs anymore... Translated into plain English: some idiot gets annoyed by having tiny black bars around the edge while watching a movie... which is just unused screen surface that you already paid for... what a joke...

So now, here we go again. Manufacturers have been trying to force these "new" resolutions and formats on us that are basically just variations of 16:9 or 16:10. They slap labels like "HD" or "HD Ready" on them, claiming they're perfect for enjoying HD and Blu-ray movies... We’re talking about resolutions like 1366x768, which is really just scaled 720p (1280x720), or Full HD at 1920x1080... Oh, and then there's that forgotten 1600x900 resolution used for DVDs... It's "almost 16:9," and it's making a comeback in the monitor market because they killed it off a few years ago saying it wasn't good enough...

Dell, which most of us mostly know for their laptops but is actually a much bigger player, has been pretty much dictating the trends in those "entertainment" and "consumer electronics" sectors lately. They were the first to roll out those Gemstone Blue laptops featuring these early HD or near-HD LCD panels.

Now, looking at monitors... the selection in the US has been pretty timid. They arrived without much fanfare—I think it was LG or Apple—and they're roughly split into two tiers: the budget stuff for the masses and the premium gear for the enthusiasts...

The mass-market models are dirt cheap, giving us unprecedented resolution for very little cash, provided you're willing to give up DVI and HDMI ports (meaning you're stuck with analog VGA). Meanwhile, the enthusiast models—you guessed it—are definitely not cheap, and they include everything the budget ones "forgot"...

Here are examples of both classes from the current catalog:

See that? Have you noticed why this whole mess is happening? It's because of a measly 0.4 inches. We used to have 22" screens, now we have 21.6". We had 24", now it's 23.6". And then they have the nerve to tell us size doesn't matter...

They probably have similar setups in other catalogs; I haven't looked everywhere. But what prompted me to write this is the arrival of these new Dell monitors in both categories. The budget ones are actually quite affordable, so some people might actually like them 😁... Unfortunately, I couldn't find a single decent review online, probably because they're too new... maybe you'll have better luck...

Of course, they all use TN matrices paired with a protective film to boost color perception and contrast. They come with a 3-year warranty, response times ranging from 5ms to 2ms for the top model, a decent 72% color gamut, 6-bit color, and they're extremely efficient with standby power staying under 1W...

So, we have one 20" model with that forgotten 1600x900 DVD resolution for a really low $325:

Then there’s this wannabe 22" Full HD model, aimed at the likes of $375:

And finally, a 24" squeezed down into a 23" frame, packed with all the ports you’d actually need and built-in speakers: perfect for people like $567. I won't even get started on that hideous piano black finish...

There, now you know (though I'm sure most of you already did... 😁)

edit: just so we're clear, I haven't actually touched any of these or tested them out yet... so I can't say a damn thing about the actual image quality or color accuracy...
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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joined Aug 2012
#2 ·
It looks like Dell has started going head-to-head with Apple lately (which, if you ask me, isn't a bad thing at all).
rustydriver23 rustydriver23 Member
11 messages
joined Oct 2010
#3 ·
Personally, I’ve always found that having a Widescreen setup is way better than sticking with that old-school 4:3 ratio, because I guess you just get so much more breathing room on the desktop, which makes actually getting stuff done feel a lot smoother and easier, you know?
David Johnson14 David Johnson14 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2009
#4 ·
Have you all had a chance to see that massive monitor review over at Microsoft? They decided to include some budget models in their testing, like those cheap ones...$383)
The BenQ monitor labeled as 22 inches actually measures out to 21.6 inches according to the specs over at Best Buy, which makes you wonder about how these measurements are even standardized...
He’s trying to push a full 1080p resolution through nothing but a VGA cable, which honestly leaves me at a complete loss...
I’m feeling a bit conflicted here... I can't help but wonder if it's truly worth shelling out $500 or $600 at a time for this...$333 It seems some people are getting a bit more than their fair share...
When you start looking into branded monitors, specifically those premium lines like the Apple T series, things get a bit more complicated...
darkowl72 darkowl72 RegularOP
311 messages
joined Oct 2015
#5 ·
Look, even Apple has some cheaper monitors available:

And honestly, a BenQ isn't exactly a massive step down from an Apple one either... it just comes down to what you prefer... 😁

Besides, you can't even compare the T series to this thing since it doesn't even have DVI...
Sean Wells73 Sean Wells73 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2009
#6 ·
Can I get a quick opinion here? I just pulled the trigger on a setup with a T220, but now I'm second-guessing myself—is it actually smarter to go with those 21.6'' models these days, or should I just stick to the standard 22'' ones? I'm looking at this as a long-term play, something to last me at least two or three years without feeling totally obsolete...
Andrew Howard14 Andrew Howard14 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2012
#7 ·
Just wanted to drop a quick note to say my Dell UltraSharp is arriving next month via 🙂. As you probably know, this model is brand new, and only a handful of units even made it to the States before they were snatched up instantly. Right now, they're basically only sitting in a few specialty shops in New York, so you really have to pull some strings to get your hands on one. I guess I managed to track one down through a mutual friend of a friend of a friend, but I'm quite eager to finally get it set up. Once it arrives, I'll put together a short review like I promised. I have a feeling this monitor might actually be a game-changer. Just thought I'd let you all know. 😉
darkowl72 darkowl72 RegularOP
311 messages
joined Oct 2015
#8 ·
@ Sean Wells73: I don't think that really matters... if you love it and you're happy with the T220, then go for it. It's a solid choice.

@ Andrew Howard14: Oh, great... can't wait.😁
Sean Wells73 Sean Wells73 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Apr 2009
#9 ·
Yeah... finally got my hands on that T220.😁 Man, this monitor is absolutely killer—honestly, I lucked out big time scoring one with a Samsung panel. It’s on a whole different level. Anyway, I'm finally making the jump from my old 17'' CRT beast to this absolute masterpiece.😲 I can't get this thing to fit in the viewfinder.😁
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
130 messages
joined Aug 2012
#10 ·
I’ve got this Linux setup, and honestly, I used to regret not picking up something with a DVI port. But looking back? I wouldn't change a thing. It’s a fantastic monitor for such a great price, and I have to say, it looks way better in person than it does in any of the photos online.
wearytiger17 wearytiger17 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jun 2009
#11 ·
and this one:
hollowpuma762 hollowpuma762 Active Member
190 messages
joined Feb 2015
#12 ·
Oh, sure. Because clearly, a 6-bit panel and 16.7 million colors is just... peak engineering. Real high-end stuff right there.
jadeeagle21 jadeeagle21 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2016
#13 ·
So, I just picked up a new 19" LCD widescreen monitor a few days ago—finally ditched my old 17" CRT. It’s killer for watching movies, everything else is decent, but for some reason, certain games look totally blown out and stretched across the whole screen 😢
Anyone got a clue how I fix this mess?
James Morris4 James Morris4 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Feb 2011
#14 ·
That’s likely because the game is running at 1280x1024, which is a 4:3 aspect ratio. You really need a resolution that matches a 16:9 or, in some instances, a 16:10 aspect ratio.
David Harris53 David Harris53 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Dec 2008
#15 ·
Just picked up a 19'' widescreen—upgraded from a 15'' piece of junk, and man, what a difference. Total game changer. Snagged it for just $333!
Andrew Flores8 Andrew Flores8 Newcomer
1 message
joined Mar 2011
#16 ·
Honestly, for $350 you could have picked up a monitor (http://www.nabava.net/trazilica.php?q=lg+204wt&x=0&y=0) that was better, larger, had higher resolution, DVI support, and more.
In my opinion, you didn't get the best deal here...

Not gonna lie.
Larry Ross43 Larry Ross43 Member
34 messages
joined Jul 2009
#17 ·
So, what’s the deal with these Samsung TV-MONITORI? I’m kind of thinking about picking something similar up soon...
Sam Chase87 Sam Chase87 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Apr 2009
#18 ·
So, tomorrow I'm finally making the jump from my old 17" Beline CRT monitor to:

But hey, if anyone happens to have a better suggestion than this LG 22", please let me know before I pull the trigger on this purchase... :P
feralgull99 feralgull99 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jul 2009
#19 ·
Hey guys, I need some help here.. I've been stuck on this monitor decision for a few days now..
My new rig arrives tomorrow.. an Athlon 5200 with a Sapphire 4830 GPU..
I need to grab a new monitor, but my budget is pretty tight right now..
Looking for something around $300 max!
Is this one any good?

..Just got word they don't even have it in stock..😢
Can anyone suggest something else? Thanks in advance..

edit..found this one too..
http://www.getim.info/index.php?page...id=12&vmcchk=1
darkowl72 darkowl72 RegularOP
311 messages
joined Oct 2015
#20 ·
And you can see for yourself there’s nothing else available $300... the only option is a 19", but I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole...

Look, if you grab a 20" with 1680x1050, you've got something decent $333, even if it lacks DVI.... you could find an Asus model or maybe something from LG....

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