Pyruvate vs. L-carnitine: Which one should I take?

Jason Campbell70 said:I used L-carnitine briefly by just drinking sports drinks.

But hey, I haven't exactly gone out on a limb here, though I know it's a bad idea.😉

If you want to... just go ahead and waste your money on L-carnitine or Pyruvate.🙏

Yeah, but you only see results after long-term use.
The drinks only have 300 mg of L-carnitine in them.
The ampules have 1500 mg of L-carnitine.

Look—I've been using L-carnitine for about six months now and I know it works (whereas it seems you were only using the weakest stuff for a short time).
I just need advice on whether this second option is better, or if it's actually worth switching over to something else.

Linda Castillo94 said:Do I really need to repeat myself? 😕

You don't have to, and honestly, it’s probably better if you don't.

I actually put together a deep dive in one of my older posts regarding L-carnitine, which breaks down some of the actual scientific studies on the subject. If you happen to stumble upon anything else out there that backs up your "theory," definitely let me know:

OMEGA 3!!!

jadetiger962 said:You don't have to; honestly, you're better off not.

Here is a link to my old post regarding L-carnitine, which includes scientific studies on the matter. If you happen to find anything similar that supports your "theory," let me know:

I really don't need some theory to debunk what I already know from firsthand experience.

Theories are always messy—one group says this, another says that.
Why can't you just accept the fact that my own experience proves it works? I know exactly what my results were before I started taking L-carnitine, and I know exactly what they were during and after usage.
I see you all aggressively explaining to people in other threads how this stuff is useless garbage, yet none of you actually have six months of experience using it yourselves.

I get the feeling you're all just here on this thread to prove a point to yourselves.
And I can sense a bit of provocation coming from you—which is really not what I want here.

Nicholas Kern90 said:OMEGA 3!!!

10 to 15 capsules a day? There is no way that much of anything can be considered a healthy intake for the body... you wouldn't even take that much Vitamin C at once 😁

correct me if I am wrong 😕

Linda Castillo94 said:Honestly, I don't really need some grand theory to try and debunk what I already know, because I've felt the effects firsthand.

And are you absolutely certain the results would have been different if you hadn't taken it? Assuming, of course, that your diet and workout routine stayed exactly the same?

Linda Castillo94 said:There's always a million theories floating around, where one group claims this and another claims that,
so why can't you just accept the simple fact that my own experience tells me it actually works.

Did you even bother reading the article in the link? This isn't about debating random theories; we're talking about actual, proven scientific research here.

jadetiger962 said:Are you 100% certain your results would have been different if you hadn't taken it? Assuming diet and exercise stayed exactly the same?

Yes, because when I stopped taking it for a while, my progress dropped significantly, even though my training intensity and nutrition didn't change one bit.
It feels like I've been throwing money away for over six months on something that isn't actually working, and now I'm just trying to convince myself otherwise. I don't see the point.

jadetiger962 said:Did you even read the article in the link? This isn't about theories; we're talking about proven scientific research.

I haven't read it. I spend every day reading "proven" studies online, only to end up ignoring them because they contradict what I'm seeing.
It’s happened a hundred times before—like how they claim certain substances can help treat breast cancer, yet there are zero results to show for it.
At the end of the day, they can write whatever they want, but if my own body is showing me something else, I'm going to trust my own experience, regardless of how much it bothers people.

NIH

Linda Castillo94 said:10 to 15 capsules a day? There's no way that's a healthy dose for anyone... you can't even take that much Vitamin C without issues 😁

Correct me if I'm wrong 😕

The more, the better... if you've got the budget, you could go up to 30 a day 🙂

I had this great link about the benefits of Omega-3, but I can't track it down anywhere 😢

Linda Castillo94 said:Like I said—I've been on L-carnitine for about six months now, and I know it works. From what I gather, you were only using the weakest version and for a very short period.

As I mentioned, it could just be the placebo effect.😉

EDIT-Nicholas Kern90, I've never actually taken Omega-3.
In short, why is he even taking it?

Jason Campbell70 said:Like I said, it's just the placebo effect.😉

EDIT—Nicholas Kern90, I've never touched Omega-3.
What’s the actual point of taking it?

Uh... look, I can't find a single link that lists every benefit. Obviously, they're great for cardiovascular health. If you take high doses—like 3 grams or more of EPA/DHA—they really help with definition since they force the body to burn fat for fuel. What I've noticed personally is that at higher doses, they make you incredibly focused when studying (not kidding, it's unreal). Plus, they're good for bone and joint health too.

Jason Campbell70 said:like I said, it's just the placebo effect😉

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Yeah—seeing faster body measurements drop over a short window is definitely just the placebo effect👍

Nicholas Kern90 said:uh....I mean, I can't find a single link that lists all the benefits... obviously they're great for cardiovascular health, and at doses of 3 grams or more of EPA/DHA, they really help with definition by using fats for fuel... what I've personally noticed is that at higher doses, they just make concentration during studying incredibly intense (no joke, it's something else), plus they're good for bones and joints too...

I have to admit, I don't know anything about that. Are you saying it's good for joints and bone health?
My knees are taking a beating from working out.

found 🙂

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...l_and_fat_loss

Look, this specific drink has 1000mg of L-carnitine per serving!
Meanwhile, those cheap drugstore tablets only give you about 300mg ☕

I mean, if L-carnitine actually works for you—why on earth wouldn't you just stick with what’s working? 🤷

And one more thing—could you actually explain, like, specifically what kind of difference you're noticing when you take it versus when you don't?

ironwolf52 said:the drink actually has 1000mg of L-carnitine!
whereas those cheap CVS tablets only have 300mg ☕

if the L-carnitine is working for you, why wouldn't you just stick with what works? 🤷

I messed up the dosage numbers—but my point remains that the liquid version has more mg than the ampoules.
as for your other question, just head back to my first post to see what I was asking about.

ironwolf52 said:could you clarify specifically what kind of difference you noticed when taking carnitine versus when you weren't?

I already answered that... do a little reading.☕

Exactly, Nicholas Kern90—I was actually going to ask you about that Omega-3 dosage too. You mentioned taking something like 10 capsules a day once before... but now I’m looking at the label and the supplement facts on this bottle, and it says the recommended dose is just one pill daily. So, how on earth are you managing to take 10?! 😁

Linda Castillo94 said:Let’s be real—seeing those measurements drop that quickly? It’s almost certainly just a placebo effect. 👍

Educate yourself.

The link you provided discusses the importance of regular physical activity and its impact on long-term health. It’s a vital topic. Is movement truly the best medicine? Perhaps. We often overlook how simple, consistent activity can reshape our metabolic health. It isn't just about hitting the gym for an hour once a week. It's about the cumulative effect of staying active throughout the day. How much does sedentary behavior actually cost us in terms of longevity? A lot. Research consistently shows that reducing sitting time and incorporating more movement can mitigate risks for cardiovascular issues and type 2 diabetes. It’s worth considering. Small changes. Daily habits. Are we making them? Moving more might be the simplest investment one can make in their future self.

The link provided points toward an archived collection of information regarding the professional development and educational standards within the industry. Is it enough to simply follow the existing curriculum? Or should we be looking deeper at how these training modules evolve alongside modern technological shifts? It serves as a reminder that staying current isn't just about attending a seminar once a year. It’s a continuous process. How often do we actually reassess our foundational knowledge? Perhaps too rarely. We need to ensure our methods remain relevant to the demands of the American workforce. Constant refinement seems to be the only way forward.

Every "cure" carries its own placebo effect.

Nicholas Kern90 said:Uh... honestly, I can't seem to find a single link that lists all the benefits. Obviously, they're great for cardiovascular health. At doses of 3 grams or more of EPA/DHA, they really help with muscle definition by helping the body utilize fat for fuel. What I’ve personally noticed, though, is that at higher dosages, they make concentration during studying absolutely incredible—not kidding, it's unreal. And they're great for bone and joint health too...

I have a plan. I'm going to stick strictly to Omega-3s for my supplements.

But first, I need to get this thumb issue sorted out.🙄
Then, I'll ramp up the cardio and start incorporating some HIIT.

rapiddriver11 said:Yeah, man. I wanted to ask you about the Omega-3 dosage too. You mentioned taking like 10 capsules a day once before... but then I’m looking at the label on the bottle and the instructions say just one pill daily. How the hell are you supposed to take 10 if the label says one?! 😁

Look, most of that is nonsense... Omega-3 is top tier. If I could only pick one supplement to keep, it would be Omega-3. Anyone who actually knows what they're doing will tell you the same thing...

Now, the catch is you have to make sure there isn't Vitamin E added to the mix—like those cheap ones you find at CVS. If it's just pure EPA/DHA, you can go hard, provided you've got the cash. A buddy of mine used to take about 30 capsules a day🙂 which is roughly 9g of EPA/DHA, and he said he felt incredible.

Right now, while I'm cutting, I'm hitting 15 a day.

Jason Campbell70 said:Do your homework.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/print.php?id=6034

http://www.ahajournals.org/archive

Every single "medication" carries its own placebo effect.

Sure—it must be a placebo if you say so.
By that logic, are all painkillers just placebos too?
We could generalize every single thing that works for someone and call it a placebo just because they believe in it.