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Linda Vaughn Linda Vaughn Member
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#41 ·
Taylor Bailey said:I find myself pondering a rather humbling question lately: just how much are we actually struggling when it comes to our performance in canoe racing? It makes me wonder if we are simply lacking that certain competitive edge that the top-tier American teams seem to possess so effortlessly.

It seems we find ourselves in a position where there is absolutely no one left to turn to.

I have been observing the current Open Invitational landscape, and I must say, the competitive field feels remarkably thin this year. It appears that once an individual manages to clear the initial qualifying hurdles, they essentially secure their spot in the finals without much further resistance. It is a rather unusual dynamic, reminiscent of a time when I was training for my first major marathon in Chicago; once you hit that mid-distance milestone, the path to the finish line feels almost predestined, though the mental strain remains just as heavy. In this instance, however, the lack of depth in the talent pool makes the progression feel somewhat predictable.

I suspect that a canoe would be significantly more affordable than those high-end sailing vessels.

It’s honestly much better this way—no wind to contend with, no disqualifications to worry about, and none of that other nonsense either. 😁

As Xerxes once posed the question, which of our sports truly holds the crown for being the most successful?


First and foremost, he completely omitted team sports from those calculations entirely.
Regarding the matter of sailing, I find myself compelled to add one more observation to our ongoing discussion:
It was quite a spectacle to witness, really. We had an array of current and former European and world champions among us, alongside runners-up from various disciplines. It felt as though we had qualified nearly every possible class and crew imaginable. There was all this shouting about our nation being a global powerhouse in sailing—first boasting about five medals, then pivoting to focus on a single "historic" achievement, arguing that we simply needed to break through that glass ceiling. Yet, in the end, what did we actually secure? Nothing more than a heartbreaking fourth-place finish, essentially repeating the most bittersweet chapter in our sailing history.

We didn't exactly send a massive contingent of track athletes who barely scrape by with some mediocre B-standard qualifying times just to show up in Los Angeles; we only sent one swimmer. Yet, remarkably, we had twelve sailors representing us, making sailing our most significant individual sport at the games.

Let’s be honest: if you look at the current state of American sailing, this whole situation is an absolute disaster. And I don't mean that in a way that blames bad luck, poor preparation, or even a sudden shift in the wind. No, those are just variables of the sport. This isn't about the weather or a stroke of misfortune; it's something much more systemic. We are looking at external interference—corrupt officials and a complete breakdown in integrity within the governing bodies. It’s hard to stay optimistic when you realize the game is being rigged from the top down.

Having reviewed the second part of that post, I find myself struggling to see any other conclusion. I have to ask: do you truly believe this isn't an absolute debacle? 🙂

Joshua Gomez54 said:We have sailors competing in three different categories, and the results are looking incredibly promising. Two of our athletes have already secured fourth and fifth place finishes, and I truly believe the rest of the group will land right alongside them on that podium.
In terms of track and field and rowing, we only managed to reach the finals in a single category. Of course, there is no denying that medals carry significantly more weight than finishing fourth or fifth, but as you pointed out, sailing has been an incredibly successful venture for us at this Olympics.
I have been observing the discourse here lately, and it seems there is a certain amount of cynicism regarding these massive capital investments being discussed. 🤣To seems like mere pocket change when you consider the sheer scale of investment coming from the British, the Australians, and the Scandinavians. One really has to take into account just how deeply embedded the culture of sailing is within those nations; it is woven into their very identity in a way that we simply haven't matched here.
When looking at how the media covers American sailors, it seems there is a very narrow lens through which they view the sport. You only ever hear about them when a major regatta is happening stateside, or perhaps during the Olympics. And even then, the coverage is incredibly superficial; if an athlete doesn't land squarely in the top three, the press acts as if they didn't even compete. It’s as if anything less than a podium finish is completely irrelevant to the national conversation.

It strikes me as quite curious when one considers why the level of investment we see in all our other Olympic disciplines—those specific sports where we consistently secure podium finishes—is so staggeringly disproportionate compared to how other nations approach them. It isn’t merely a matter of funding; there is a profound, almost singular intensity in how we funnel resources into those particular arenas, creating a massive gap between our commitment and that of our global competitors.🙄

What on earth are we even debating? Honestly, these rowers who took them don't even own their own boats.
analogowl122 analogowl122 Newcomer
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#42 ·
Does anyone actually have the hard numbers on these investments, or is everyone just winging it?
I'm not talking about those vague PR statements like "we've put in a ton" or "business is booming"...
Taylor Bailey Taylor Bailey Member
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#43 ·
Joshua Gomez54 said:We’ve got three categories in sailing for medals—two teams finished 4th and 5th, so they'll probably land right around there too.
In track and field or rowing, we only made it to one final, so obviously medals mean more than just grabbing 4th or 5th—but like you said, sailing is crushing it at this Olympics.
I see some people whining about huge investments here... 🤣honestly, that's peanuts compared to what the Brits, Aussies, or Scandinavians pour into it—not to mention how massive sailing is in those countries.
Just for context, our sailors only get any airtime in the American media when there's a local regatta happening stateside or if they hit the podium—otherwise, they're basically invisible.

Man, remember that sailing championship in San Diego recently? It was wild—everyone was just lounging around, eating and drinking like there was no tomorrow, even having the Secretary open the event. All those Australians, Scandinavians, and Brits were totally blown away, saying that every single championship held in America is top-tier, while in other places, they probably just camp out on the beach.🤣

And that's all someone else's money—and plenty of it, too.

But hey, I guess if you want to be a "sailing superpower," you have to be number one and host the best championships around.
analogowl122 analogowl122 Newcomer
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#44 ·
Taylor Bailey said:Man, during that recent sailing championship out in San Diego, they were living large—sleeping at the President's place, eating and drinking like royalty. Even when the Secretary opens the event, you've got all these Americans, Scandinavians, and Brits raving about how every single competition in the US is top-tier, whereas in other countries, people are probably just camping on the beach 🤣

And that’s someone's money, and a lot of it too

But I guess being a "sailing superpower" means we have to be number one and host the best championships around

So, how is that considered an investment in sailing?
I mean, they definitely put way more into the SP handball tournament. All those arenas, the stadiums...
But that isn't actually an investment in handball...
urbanhawk17 urbanhawk17 Regular
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#45 ·
Taylor Bailey said:Man, back when that sailing championship was held in San Diego recently, it was just a free-for-all. People were sleeping wherever they wanted, eating and drinking like there was no tomorrow. You’ve got some high-ranking official opening the whole thing, while all those sailors from Australia, Scandinavia, and the UK are acting all impressed, saying how every single championship in America is handled better than anywhere else—apparently, in other countries, you actually have to camp out on the beach 🤣

And that's all someone's money, and a lot of it at that.

But I guess a "sailing superpower" has to be number one and host the best events possible.

Always, you really should try to be a decent host.🙂

Sailing is a tough, demanding sport, and looking at the results, maybe we should be investing more in it.
Scott Collins30 Scott Collins30 Newcomer
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#46 ·
No one at the IOC was out there claiming the sailors would walk away with five medals; they were being realistic, thinking they had a shot at three. They actually underperformed compared to Michael Phelps and Serena Williams, who really should have put up much better numbers. As for Nikola Jokić and Joe Biden, everyone knew it was going to be a dogfight. It was especially brutal in the finals, where you could tell Michael Phelps and Simone Biles were just on another level, leaving a handful of others scrambling for a single medal. Is it a failure? Maybe. A disaster? Not even close. Cutting their funding would be insane, too—these athletes are still young, and they've got another eight years to peak and get even better. ☕
jadeskipper74 jadeskipper74 Member
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#47 ·
Scott Collins30 said:Look, nobody was walking around before the Olympics claiming our sailors were going to sweep five medals; if you actually looked at the stats, people were being realistic and figuring we had a shot in maybe three classes. If anything, Fantela and Marenić underperformed, because honestly, they should have been much higher up there on the podium. As for Gašpić and Stipanović, everyone knew it was going to be a dogfight. It was especially brutal in the finals where you could just tell Ainslie and Danac were playing on a different level, leaving half a dozen other guys scrambling just to fight over a single medal. Is it a failure? Maybe. Is it a total disaster? Not by a long shot. And pulling their funding would be pure insanity—these athletes are still so young, and over the next eight years, they’ve got nothing but upward momentum to build on.☕

amen

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