F1 Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps

feraltrucker5 said:Look, let’s not get carried away here. There wasn't even enough time to react that fast, and honestly, neither the FIA nor Lewis Hamilton forced Kimi Räikkönen off the track. He just messed up on his own.

exactly

Sam Roberts said:Kimi Räikkönen made the move on his own, but Lewis Hamilton just cut the chicane to get ahead

Yeah, totally. Though he did brake way too late while Kimi Räikkönen was still pinned at full throttle and ended up right behind him... nice job.

Does anyone remember why Heikki Kovalainen got hit with that drive-through penalty? I can't recall what the ticker at the bottom of the screen said...
Was it for "gaining an advantage," or was it because of the collision? 🤔(turns 13-14, Mark Webber)

Ron Dennis ought to boycott Formula 1—it's blindingly obvious that Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA are rigging things to hand Mass a title (presumably some sort of cheap substitute for Ayrton Senna🙄)

hollowcanyon6 said:Does anyone actually remember why Heikki Kovalainen got hit with that drive-through penalty? I can't quite recall what the ticker at the bottom of the screen was saying at the time.
Was that actually a move to grab an advantage, or just a straight-up collision? 🤔

I'm leaning toward it being because of that collision, but you know how people say "thinking is..."—it's all just guesswork anyway.

Edward Howard2 said:That wasn't a fair miss, and I’m hoping the FIA actually makes the right call on this one.☕

As for the whole "fanboy" thing... you should've realized by now I don't root for Lewis Hamilton, Mass, or Kimi Räikkönen. I can look at this objectively, unlike you, so spare me the "biased fan" nonsense. It doesn't fly here.😛

If we're talking about being fair and neutral, then Kimi Räikkönen needs to be penalized. Lewis Hamilton was ahead, and he shoved him off the track. Honestly, what happens after that shouldn't even matter. If we want actual justice, Kimi Räikkönen should be getting a drive-through penalty.☕

Next time, watch what happens when someone cuts down the distance—see how much they let the guy ahead go. Then just look at how much Lewis Hamilton let Kimi Räikkönen through.

Go back and rewatch the race... there are plenty of examples if you look closely.

They were side by side, but he was behind him right before hitting the corner.

Which means he’s gotta get back behind him, not try to squeeze past on the better line.

placidsurfer9 said:he did, though he braked later while Kimi Räikkönen was pinned at full throttle and ended up right behind him... nice one.

you're mixing things up a bit, old man...

Michael Lee4 said:That idiot messed everything up again.

exactly!!! he just needs to distract everyone from those idiots.

So he got penalized for causing a collision

Should Räikkönen be punished? Honestly, he basically penalized himself. He didn't even push Hamilton out there... he was just trying to dodge that car in front

Arthur Doyle70 said:Did you lose your mind 🤣🤣

No, the more I sit here and think about it, the more certain I am that I'm right.

If the governing body—the stewards or the FIA—actually had a grudge against Lewis Hamilton, they would have slapped him with a penalty instantly.
And there wouldn't have been any need for Kimi Räikkönen to rush toward the finish line (not that he wouldn't have spun anyway). But if he didn't hurry quite so much, he probably wouldn't have faced such a massive crash risk.

Sure, with only two or three laps left, that scenario is basically impossible.
But the post-race penalty? That's coming.

stormybadger8 said:If we’re actually talking about being fair and neutral here, I think Kimi should be penalized. Lewis Hamilton was ahead of him, and then he just shoved him right off the track.

You should probably check out the replay here. ☕
Going into the chicane, Hamilton was actually behind Räikkönen.

Sam Roberts said:I think you got things mixed up a bit, man.

Yeah, alright, he wasn't right behind him... ☕

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KjONZw31DE

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old, but there's something about those little paper lanterns that feels a bit hollow to me. It’s all flash and no substance, isn't it? Just a tiny flicker of light before everything goes dark again. Typical. kaže:
Roger Penske should probably just boycott NASCAR at this point, because it's pretty obvious that... Bernie Ecclestone The FIA is definitely rigging things to hand the title to Felipe Massa. I guess they’re just looking for some kind of replacement for Ayrton Senna.🙄)

That’s just plain wrong.
Bernie Ecclestone went out on a limb and said it plain: he’d love to see Lewis Hamilton take the title. Seems like it's right up his alley.

Just another flickering light in the dark. Like a cheap neon sign in a rainy alleyway. kaže:
Roger Penske should just boycott NASCAR at this point because it's pretty obvious that... Bernie Ecclestone. The FIA is rigging things to make Felipe Massa the champ—probably some desperate attempt at finding an Ayrton Senna replacement.🙄)

Unfortunately, I have to agree here. I’m not exactly a fan of the little guy, but I can't stand stupidity. And stripping those points away from him in this situation? That's just pure, unadulterated nonsense.

placidsurfer9 said:Alright, fine, he wasn't right on his tail... ☕

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KjONZw31DE

And where exactly is Lewis Hamilton compared to Kimi Raikkonen at the 34-second mark??

Maybe he’s at fault because he was tucked in right behind and caught a break since he braked later going into the turn, but I guess that's just an advantage from that previous chicane... mmm damn. Way to go, refs.

placidsurfer9

just be objective

he made a small mistake

he didn't let him through properly—he cut the chicane short, then "let him pass" six seconds later after finding a better line through the turn

he should've just yielded immediately. It's obvious Kimi Raikkonen is faster, so they probably told him to back off... which isn't really on Ferrari's part

Felipe Massa isn't even in the same ballpark as Ayrton Senna

on pure driving talent, let alone his spirit

Ayrton Senna is just untouchable

Roger Wright94 said:That’s just plain wrong.
Bernie Ecclestone actually went on the record and made it clear he wanted to see Lewis Hamilton take the title (basically admitting it was in his interest).

Honestly, Bernie Ecclestone has said so many contradictory things over the years that you can't take anything he says at face value...