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Motovun Film Festival 2008

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Participants Amanda Nguyen5Taylor Fisher4Donna Hayes6ruggedmarlin15ANoah Harris2Emily Gonzalez51Dennis Hall41frozenpilot11Larry Martin11Drew White
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
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#21 ·
Dennis Hall41 said:If you think movies like "Arrested Suspect" or "How the War Started on My Island" are the absolute pinnacle of cinema, then honestly, Reygadas just isn't your guy.

Look, "Arrested Suspect" is pretty much at the peak of what filmmaking can be. And "How the War Started on My Island"? That's also an incredible film, especially when you consider the context of where it comes from.
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
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#22 ·
ruggedmarlin15 said:Why would anyone even need to sit through an entire movie just to realize it's garbage?

Fair point, but you still gotta finish the whole thing to really know if it's any good.
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active Member
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#23 ·
I can't even begin to process this—just totally lost for words. says:
Why would anyone even need to sit through the whole damn movie to realize it's garbage? You talk about "basic respect with the best intentions"... but what about the director actually showing some basic respect to the audience? Are we just supposed to be some mindless plebs—you know, just groveling the second some self-proclaimed genius decides to toss us a tiny crumb of their infinite wisdom? Or yeah.

What am I even supposed to say to you—besides the fact that your post is total garbage?
Where did you get the idea that "The Usual Suspects" or "How the War Started on My Island" are the pinnacle of cinema? Seriously—you can't find a real argument, so you're just trying to force this narrative that I'm "clueless" about movies—or even worse—trying to claim your taste is better than mine?

Honestly—the takes from people who didn't vibe with the movie (or hated it so much they walked out halfway through)—are just as valid as yours. It’s all about taste. One person loves it, another thinks it sucks. No deep philosophy needed there.

You noticing how you're jumping to conclusions again? — seriously.
I made my point—the massive impact that "Quiet Light" had on my genius.😁).
And I can't really take your judgment seriously—it's pretty obvious you didn't even finish the movie.
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active Member
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#24 ·
Arthur Garcia59 said:"Suspect arrested" is basically peak cinema, and "How the War Started on My Island" is just as solid, given its context and everything.

The first one—if you ask me—is just a boring genre flick with a totally predictable twist (I mean, who else could be Keyser Söze besides Kevin Spacey?)—stiff dialogue, super dull, and repetitive. It’s only worth a watch for Mr. Kevin.
The second one is overrated—it's a decent enough movie for high schoolers, fits their sense of humor, I guess. But it isn't really subversive. Wasn't even then.

@Kaeovo...Totally disagree here—I never judge art through some elitist lens. For instance, I think "Back to the Future" is a killer sci-fi comedy, "Dumb and Dumber" is easily the best comedy from the last 50 years, Stephen King and B. E. Ellis are top-tier writers, and "Sith revenge" is the best Sci-fi movie of all time since "2001: A Space Odyssey" (if you can even categorize that masterpiece). Those are just a handful of dozens, maybe hundreds, of times where my taste lines up perfectly with what the general public loves. All that matters is how much creative intensity and ambition went into making the art.
That said, I don't let myself act like an expert and judge stuff I haven't actually seen/read/heard yet—something a lot of people love to do.
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
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#25 ·
Dennis Hall41 said:The first one is just a boring genre flick with a totally predictable twist (I mean, who else could be Keyser Söze besides Kevin Spacey?) and wooden dialogue. It's an absolute slog—repetitive and dull. You only watch it for Mr. Kevin.
The second one is overrated. It’s a decent enough movie for high schoolers, though; it fits their sense of humor perfectly. And it isn't even that subversive. It never was..

For "The Usual Suspects," figuring out who Keyser Söze is matters just as much as knowing who killed Janet Leigh in "Psycho." That's basically it.

Dennis Hall41 said:@Arthur Garcia59...Contrary to what you think, I have never looked at art through some elitist lens. For instance, I think "Back to the Future" is a brilliant sci-fi comedy, "Dumb and Dumber" is the best comedy made in the last 50 years, Stephen King and B. E. Ellis are top-tier writers, and "Sith revenge" is the best sci-fi movie since "2001: A Space Odyssey" (if you can even categorize "2001: A Space Odyssey" at all). Those are just a handful of dozens, maybe hundreds, of times where my taste lines up perfectly with what the general public loves..

"I haven't seen Sith revenge," and I've never heard of Ellis, but regarding everything else, as far as I know, most critics actually agree with you... (except for that "last 50 years" part)
And honestly, I don't see the issue if the critics and the general public are on the same page.
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active Member
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#26 ·
Arthur Garcia59 said:Regarding "suspect arrested"—figuring out who Keyser Söze actually is matters just as much as knowing who killed Janet Leigh in "Psycho." That's pretty much it.

Then why did I feel like that was the only thing that mattered?
The whole movie basically boils down to that one question. But hey...
If Tarantino had been the one calling the shots, I definitely wouldn't be writing this right now; I'm sure of it.
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active Member
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#27 ·
Arthur Garcia59 said:I haven't heard of Ellis—never really came up for me—but as far as everything else goes, most critics pretty much agree with you... (well, except for that bit about the last 50 years)
And honestly, I don't see why it matters if the critics and the general public are actually on the same page.

Ellis actually wrote "American psycho," among other things.
The only film critic in America I actually respect is Damir Radić.
ruggedmarlin15 ruggedmarlin15 Active Member
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#28 ·
Dennis Hall41 said:@ruggedmarlin15...I actually don't view art through an elitist lens at all, despite what you might think.

Honestly, no. If anything, people will probably end up thinking that's how I look at art.

That said, I don't let myself pass judgment on works of art that haven't been seen, read, or heard yet—something a lot of people seem all too eager to do.

That's fair. I just mean that, to me, the opinion of someone who walks out of a theater after 15 or 20 minutes because they hated the movie is just as valid as the opinion of someone who loved it. As long as they can back up their stance with some kind of reasoning, I'll listen.

P.S. I wasn't actually judging the film itself. I was just jumping in because I was looking for some context regarding the scale of the production. Still waiting, though... 😉
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active Member
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#29 ·
ruggedmarlin15 said:1.Nah. I don't want to end up looking like that's how I view art.

2.Honestly, I think the opinions of people who walk out after 15 or 20 minutes—just because the movie is clearly garbage—are just as valid as the people who loved it. But they actually have to back it up. In this case, the arguments are definitely on the side of the haters, since saying "it left a good impression" is kind of a weak take—you'd expect more juice after sitting through 140 minutes of film. The point of those who walked out can basically be summed up as "this left me with nothing." Those people won. They didn't waste two hours of their lives on nothing.😉

P.S. I wasn't even making a judgment on the movie itself. I just jumped in expecting some explanation regarding the scale of the film. Still waiting... 😉

1.But I gave at least four examples that totally debunk your point.

2.Well, it doesn't work for me.
Take "Ulysses," for instance—I wouldn't call it a bad novel just because I didn't have the drive to get past page 70 when I was 19. It was just way too heavy for my headspace back then. Once I actually read it, then I'll have an opinion.

At the end of the day, everything comes down to personal impression. Sure, I dig the long takes, the metaphysical vibe, and the meditative feel of this film—how Reygadas navigates such an indescribably demanding poetic style. People often don't realize how hard it is to master directorial minimalism.
The fact that most people were raised on modern Hollywood isn't my problem.

P.S. No matter what I say, you're gonna stick to your guns. And that's fine—it's legitimate and totally fair since you aren't infringing on anyone's freedom by choosing to do so.
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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#30 ·
...I honestly don't follow what you guys are getting at, really 🙂 but I’m glad that if a movie is going to stir up this much controversy, it’s Starlight—because that one actually means something to me 🙂

..and why is it great?
...it's because Reygadas is a true poet. He takes what is essentially a conventional setup—a man juggling two women at once, where one is his wife and the other is clearly the mistress, and he's torn by it all (not just because he feels it clashes with his beliefs, but because he can't quite "justify" his love as a sin, since at the end of the day, love is just love, yet he doesn't want to hurt either woman, making him hyper-aware of the roles he has to play)—and he turns it into something anything but cliché. It becomes a film about the incredible power of love and the hope that comes with it. Sure, he’s conflicted due to his starting position (personally, I had no issue accepting that two women are suffering or even dying because of one man, since his own inner turmoil is the focal point, and in a multidimensional world, everyone's pain carries weight—but the only man I watched this with absolutely couldn't get past it; to him, the director's refusal to protect the female leads, instead subordinating them entirely to the man, was horrifying, unacceptable, and a total dealbreaker...), but if you take it as it is, it offers a phenomenal mirror to how we love and how we try to cling to our emotions. For Reygadas, love is often a source of pain—the overwhelming love the lead feels for both women actually ends up killing them, some literally—but in the end, it's also a source of life. That refusal to let the person you love suffer becomes the literal force that unites two women who shouldn't love each other, yet their shared love for a third person becomes their connection; which is why Esther's first line is "poor John"... and besides that, it's shot divinely (that opening shot 😍 ), and every single scene carries deeper meaning. These aren't those long, drawn-out scenes you see in typical "festival movies" just because "that's what you do"—every moment actually holds an idea, illustrates the characters' internal states, creates a "calm before the storm," plays with symbolism, or sketches out things we can't see (my personal favorite: those two little houses and the cypress trees swaying in the wind while John is with his mistress 😍, and of course, the fact that Esther makes such good climbing rope 🙂)...

...is that enough? 🙂 I could go on until tomorrow; the film has a place in my heart—even if I still think it's the weakest, most conventional thing Reygadas has done... Japan remains my number one 😍
Dennis Hall41 Dennis Hall41 Active Member
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#31 ·
Amanda Lopez50;15379827 Japan stays at no.1 😍[/QUOTE said:

Not you.
For me, it’s always going to be "battle in the sky."
He really hit that sweet spot there—perfectly balancing subtle vibes with being totally explicit.
Drew White Drew White Member
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#32 ·
I missed the film repeats at the AMC theater, so does anyone know if there will be more screenings scheduled elsewhere? Perhaps somewhere in Europe or maybe over in Brooklyn?
ruggedmarlin15 ruggedmarlin15 Active Member
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#33 ·
As far as I know, that was pretty much it. A few films were picked up for distribution (like three monkeys, for example).
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#34 ·
Honestly, I’d have a lot less to say if the people chiming in here had actually sat through the entire movie before coming out with their incredibly "insightful" and "relevant" takes.

I watched 😁 and it just wasn't for me.
Though, I'd definitely be down to check out something from 🤷 that tackles similar themes—maybe that would actually grab my interest.
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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#35 ·
Anonymous said:Actually, I’d love to check out some Japanese cinema dealing with similar themes—maybe then something will actually grab my attention. 🤷


...honey, I think you just signed your own death warrant...🙂))))))
Emily Gonzalez51 Emily Gonzalez51 Active Member
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#36 ·
Anonymous said:What truly soured my experience was the audience behavior—those comments flying around 😢 where on earth did all the class go? It doesn't even matter if someone liked the movie or not; taste is subjective. Maybe one person isn't in the right headspace and the film fails to land for them, but how can you define "the right way" to watch anything? Everyone has their own unique way of connecting with a director, an actor, or a story. But this time, certain people in the crowd were nothing short of disgusting, showing zero decorum or taste regarding anything at all... it's pathetic.

😲 And I honestly thought everyone else would be subtle and sophisticated. It turns out some individuals were far more "unique" than they were subtle.
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#37 ·
Emily Gonzalez51 said:😲 I honestly thought everyone else was being subtle and unique. Turns out, some people were just being eccentric rather than subtle.

Hey, you’re entitled to your own opinion.
For me, though, the way certain individuals acted and the comments they made felt totally rude—they had absolutely nothing to do with anything, let alone the movie itself.

And I don't see anything wrong with people getting up and leaving early... honestly, they have every right to spend their time however they want.

It’s just sad that we live in a world where everything is driven by this "fast-paced" mentality...😕

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