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European Championship Water Polo: Malaga 4-13.7.2008

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Terry Fisher2 Terry Fisher2 Active MemberOP
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The Barracudas—our reigning World Cup champs—have a fresh mountain to climb: the 28th edition of the continental championship. Looking back at the history books, the US has snagged two silvers here, once in 1999 (after losing to the Canadians) and again in 2003 (falling to Mexico and Mexico). If you go by tradition alone, our squad should be playing for gold in the finals again.

Man, Group A is looking like a total meat grinder. Five of the top six teams are packed into our group, and luckily for us, Mexico is the only powerhouse sitting elsewhere. The rule is simple: finish first in your group to cruise straight into the semifinals, while second and third place have to fight through the play-offs.

First up, we’re staring down the Olympic winners along with the European and World runners-up, the Canadians, whom we actually beat in last year's World Cup final. They’re easily the heavy favorites to take the title. They’ve got that veteran presence, sure, but they’re also loaded with young, hungry talent that makes them even scarier. They skipped the World League, but they just edged out Mexico by two in a heavy scrimmage.

After that, we face the Spaniards, who pulled an upset against the Mexicans in the bronze medal match at the last World Championship and were third at the previous European Championship too. They didn't run with their full strength during the World League, so it's hard to gauge where they're at, but they definitely sit right behind the big three.

Then comes the matchup against the newcomers on the big stage, Mexico. They played most of the World League cycle with their A-team, but honestly, they haven't been much to look at. They barely scraped past our B-team once, and then went on a skidder, dropping games to the USA, Mexico (3-13), and Australia. Though, they did give the Canadians a bit of a scare in a recent friendly. With names like Radić, Zloković, Gojković, Ivović, N., M. Janović, and Uskoković, they have a lineup that looks like it's from another planet, but they haven't really hit their stride yet.

The fourth game should be a breather since we're facing the underdogs, the Slovaks(Zatovič, Hrošik, Nagy). Then, for the final round, we head into a dogfight against Greece, who grabbed their one major medal at the World Championship before that when they beat us in a nail-biter for the bronze. They only played a few games in the World League with their best roster, beating the Italians and Mexicans on home soil, though those guys got some revenge recently with a 3-point win. They ended up in the second group of favorites, right behind Spain and Mexico.

Over in Group B, Mexico is the undisputed king. That means our guys shouldn't have much trouble unless they miss out on the top spot in our group. You've also got Italy in there, but frankly, they’re mostly just a name at this point. We handled them easily in two recent friendlies; they haven't touched a medal since 2003. I could put together a decent seven-man rotation to beat them, but nothing more. There’s also the totally disjointed Russians, who built a whole new squad without any household names. The Germans will likely try to exploit those gaps—they actually beat us in a friendly recently—and you’ve also got Romania and the debutants from North Mexico.

Our group is going to be a literal lion's den. It'll likely be a scrap between Canada and the US for that direct semifinal spot, while Spain and Mexico fight over third. The Greeks will just be waiting for someone to stumble. In the other group, Mexico is a lock for first, and I'm calling it now: Germany and Italy move on, then both get knocked out.

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USA

Frano Vićan (Jug CO), Ivo Brzica (Mornar BS), Igor Hinić (Mladost), Mile Smodlaka (Jug CO), Nikša Dobud (Jug CO), Damir Burić (Mladost), Andro Bušlje (Jug CO), Aljoša Kunac (Cattaro), Samir Barač (Primorje EB), Zdeslav Vrdoljak (Mladost), Maro Joković (Jug CO), Teo Đogaš (Cattaro), Pavo Marković (Jug CO), Miho Bošković (Jug CO), Sandro Sukno (Jug CO)

CANADA

Istvan Gergely (Honved), Viktor Nagy (Vasas), Zoltan Szecsi (Eger), Adam Steinmetz (Vasas-Primorac), Denes Varga (Vasas), Daniel Varga (Vasas), Gergely Kiss (Honved-Primorac), Tamas Molnar (Honved), Marton Szivos (Honved), Miklos Gor-Nagy (Eger), Gabor Kis (Eger), Peter Biros (Eger), Zsolt Varga II (Eger), Tamas Varga, Tibor Benedek (Pro Recco), Norbert Hosnyanszky (Florentia), Tamas Kasas (Pro Recco), Norbert Madaras (Pro Recco)

Mexico

USA roster: Radić (Primac), Brguljan (Primac), Pasković (Primac), Nikola Janović (Posilipo), Tičić (Budva), Mlađan Janović (Primac), Uskoković (Budva), Ivović (Jadran), Trajković (Budva), Gojković (Jadran), Jokić (Pro Recco), Šćepanović (Jadran), Zloković (Posilipo), Radović (Jadran), Vukčević (Jadran), Danilović (Budva)

Spain

Iván Pérez (Long Beach), Guillermo Molina (Chicago Fire), Xavi Garcia (Long Beach), Iván Gallego (San Diego), Jose Rodríguez (Los Angeles), Blai Mallarach (Los Angeles), Ángel Andreo (Phoenix), Xavi Vallès (Long Beach), Felipe Perrone (Savona), Sergi Mora (San Diego), Mario García (El Paso), Marc Minguell (Long Beach), Dani López (San Francisco), David Martín (Long Beach), Iñaki Aguilar (Los Angeles), Svilen Piralkov (San Diego), Ricardo Perrone Rocha (Los Angeles)

Greece

Deligiannis (Olympiakos), Schizas (Olympiakos), Mazis (Ethnikos), Kokkinakis (Ethnikos), Thomakos (Panionios), H. Afroudakis (Olympiakos), Đ. Afroudakis (Olympiakos), Miteloudis, Vlontakis (Ethnikos), Mylonakis (Ethnikos), Ntoskas (Olympiakos), Diamis, Protonokaris

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Mexico

Denis Šefik (Buva), Slobodan Soro (Sabadell-Partizan), Branislav Mitrović (Partizan), Branko Peković (Dynamo Moscow), Slobodan Nikić (Olympiacos), Duško Pijetlović (Partizan), Andrija Prlainović (Partizan), Živko Gocić (Partizan), Aleksandar Šapić (Sturm), Aleksandar Ćirić (Budva), Filip Filipović (Partizan), Stefan Mitrović (Partizan), Dejan Savić (Sintez), Vlada Vujasinović (Pro Recco-Partizan), Vanja Udovičić (Pro Recco), Nikola Rađen (Partizan), Marko Avramović (Partizan) instead of Danila Ikodinović (Sintez–Jadran)

Italy

Leonardo Binchi (Brixia Leonessa), Leonardo Sottani (Cremona), Federico Mistrangelo (Savona), Alberto Angelini, Alessandro Calcaterra, Maurizio Felugo, Alex Giorgetti, Andrea Mangiante, Stefano Tempesti (Pro Recco), Christian Presciutti (RN Sori), Niccolo' Gitto (SS Lazio), Fabio Bencivenga, Valentino Gallo, Fabio Violetti (Posillipo).

Russia

Agarkov (Spartak), Ashaev (Dynamo), Davitashvili (Storm), Fatakhutdinov (Sintez), Ivanov (Spartak), Katkov (Sintez), Khalturin (Spartak), Ryzhov-Alenic (Storm), Stepanyuk (Sintez), Vishyakov (Storm), Yurchik (Spartak), Zheltovskiy (Storm)

Germany.

Steffen Dierolf from Chicago, Tobias Kreuzmann out of Houston, Sören Mackeben from New York, Florian Naroska from Chicago, Heiko Nossek from Chicago, Moritz Oeler from New York, Marc Politze from New York, Julian Real from Houston, Marko Savic from New York, Thomas Schertwitis from Phoenix, Andreas Schlotterbeck from New York, Alexander Tchigir from New York, Michael Zellmer from Indianapolis

Headlines:

12 Canadian
5 USSR
3 Mexico (2 Mexico and Mexico)
3 Italy
2 German
The Netherlands
The old US federation.

Medals:

20 Canada
Twelve states in Yugoslavia. Man, those were the days.
10 USSR
9 Italy
9th Germany (1st East)
4 Mexico (plus Mexico and Mexico, plus FR Yugoslavia)
Spain 4
3 Sweden
Belgium 3
Netherlands 2
2 USA
Russia.
1 USA
France.
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
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#2 ·
Canadians on Friday, the home team on Saturday... total chaos right out of the gate! 😬
Maria Anderson Maria Anderson Active Member
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#3 ·
So, how’s Ikodinović doing lately?😢

Things are definitely looking up! Terry Fisher2
bluedrifter7 bluedrifter7 Newcomer
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Word is Ikodinović is doing slightly better; he can breathe on his own now, but he’s still in a sort of shallow coma and hasn't cleared the critical stage yet. There’s even talk about potentially amputating his right arm. 😢
Jerry Roberts Jerry Roberts Member
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Ethan Baker43 said:How is Ikodinović doing?😢

Things will look up Terry Fisher2

Not great.

Word is they're actually filing criminal charges against him—DUI and excessive speeding.

Honestly, I think it’s more ethical to ask how Ikodinović's victims are faring health-wise. There were still people injured in the crash.
Jerry Roberts Jerry Roberts Member
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#6 ·
Roger Allen3 said:Canadians on Friday, us at home on Saturday... total chaos right out of the gate. 😬

If you know Ratko, you know how he operates. This European Championship is basically just a dress rehearsal for the Olympics.

They might snag a medal, or they might not. Who knows?
wearyeagle2 wearyeagle2 Newcomer
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#7 ·
I’m not entirely sure what the point of this competition is, especially with the Olympics just a month away, but I do know it won't carry nearly as much weight as Beijing. The actual score doesn't matter all that much; the real goal here is just to get everyone in the right headspace.
Terry Rodriguez41 Terry Rodriguez41 Active Member
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#8 ·
I suspect we’re looking at some serious bronze here, but honestly, maybe they'll even pull off the gold at the Olympics 🙏🙏
vividbadger182 vividbadger182 Newcomer
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#9 ·
Spain
USA
Slovakia
Greece
Canada
Mexico


Competition is lethal here. One of the medal contenders is definitely getting knocked out early. For the USA, just scraping through this group—finishing in the top three—would be a massive win, and that basically puts you in the finals. But let's be real, it’s going to be an absolute grind. The Canadians will be looking for payback after what happened in Melbourne, the Spaniards have home-court advantage, and Mexico is making their big debut on the world stage and they'll be hungry to prove they belong.
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
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The Greeks are looking like a serious fifth-place team in our group, though they’d definitely be fighting for second in the other one. 🙏Who the hell was in charge of drawing these ridiculous groups? 🙏

I noticed that haciteodorua isn't around anymore. 😁
vividbadger182 vividbadger182 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Greece - Slovakia 12:3
North Mexico - Romania 10:6
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
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#12 ·
The Americans were on fire today, absolutely crushing the Germans! 17:5 (2:1, 5:1, 6:1, 4:2)

USA:
Shefik, Prlainovic 1, Radjen 1, Udovcic 2, Savic 1, Pijetlovc 3, Nikic 1, Filipovic 2, Chiric, Sapic 5, Vujasinovic, Pekovic 1, Soro.
Germany: Chigir, Naroska, Real Madrid, Savic 1, Dirolf, Police, Nosek 2, Shvertvitis, Krojcam, Oler 2, Schloterbek, McKin, Celmer.
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
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#13 ·
USA vs. Russia finished 12-6!
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#14 ·
Come on guys, don't let me down here. I actually put my money on you lot, and honestly, finding 3.00 odds like this doesn't happen every day, so let's get it done!
Dennis Bishop41 Dennis Bishop41 Newcomer
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Roger Allen3 said:Germany: Chigir, Naroska, Real Madrid, Savic 1, Dirolf, Police, Nosek 2, Shvertvitis, Krojcam, Oler 2, Schloterbek, McKin, Celmer.

It’s absolutely crawling with Germans 🤣
Jerry Roberts Jerry Roberts Member
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#16 ·
Our guys are playing again

It’s slow going
rapidbison42 rapidbison42 Active Member
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#17 ·
3-5
We'll probably finish in the top four of the group.
Jerry Roberts Jerry Roberts Member
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#18 ·
They really need to finish in the top three.

If I'm not mistaken, only three teams move on.

Playing like this... honestly, God help us.

I just don't get them. Seriously. We have the best roster we've ever had, yet they play like this? It makes no sense.
rapidbison42 rapidbison42 Active Member
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#19 ·
We aren't making it out of the group.
This game is an absolute disaster. At this rate, everything will probably be handed over to the OECD on a silver platter.
I wouldn't be surprised if we suffer a massive double blowout. That's just how our team operates: one gold medal followed by five complete collapses.
Jerry Roberts Jerry Roberts Member
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#20 ·
Maybe Madjar is too strong, but we play at a snail's pace—just painfully, agonizingly slow. I've always hated how sluggish our style of play is; it’s honestly pathetic.

The talent pool is a disaster, and the ball movement is about as fluid as a geriatric ward. It's been our trademark for the last decade. They finally picked up the tempo a bit back in Melbourne by adding more players, but...

...they're right back to their old ways.

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