Logest vs. Yasmin: Which one is better?

Carol Brooks41 said:From everything I've managed to read up on—the risk of blood clots is basically baked into almost any birth control pill out there, except maybe Logest, which apparently carries a slightly higher risk than the rest.
And since it actually has the lowest hormone dosage, it’s pretty obvious that the issue isn't just about how much hormone you're shoving into your system.

Besides, if you're staying on top of your blood work and everything looks normal, you aren't exactly going to drop dead from a stroke caused by your pill.
That whole risk factor really only kicks in if you already have some underlying issue with how your blood clots, which is exactly why doctors run those tests in the first place.
My own OB-GYN put me on Logest, but she wouldn't dream of doing it without sending me off for blood work first—specifically to check my coagulation levels.

Give me a break...
where is all this research coming from? And why specifically Logest? What is it about that particular formula that makes it act that way? Is it some sketchy hormones, or is it missing something vital, or is there some extra junk added in?
And wasn't there also some talk about how birth control pills affect the blood vessels themselves? Not just talking about clots, but the actual integrity of the vessels?

Chris Lopez59 said:Don't mess around..
Where is this research coming from? And why Logest specifically? What makes it act that way? Is it bad hormones, a deficiency, or an extra ingredient?
And wasn't there something about the negative impact of birth control pills on blood vessels themselves (not just clots, but the vessels)?

Look, I'm not a doctor, so I don't know those technicalities.
But this isn't the time to panic.
I’m just reporting what my OB-GYN told me—Logest is actually a great pill, but you need to check your coagulation levels first (just like with any contraceptive), because Logest carries a slightly higher risk.
If your blood work comes back clean, there's nothing to worry about.

Besides, you know how doctors are.
She ran a pregnancy test on me, even though I told her straight up that we used condoms and nothing failed or slipped.
They just want to cover every single base, and sometimes that makes things sound much scarier than they actually are.

I know dozens of women who have been on various birth control pills for years without ever having issues with blood vessels, clots, or strokes.
We're talking about tiny percentages here; it's just that doctors are wired to leave absolutely nothing to chance.

Look, I'm telling you... all that stuff eventually catches up to you once you hit your fifties or sixties...

Chris Lopez59 said:Look... those kinds of issues catch up with you once you hit your fifties or sixties...

I don't think that applies to birth control pills, since we're talking about hormones here.
As soon as you stop taking them, your hormone levels return to "normal"—essentially back to your natural state—pretty quickly, as if you never even touched them.
They work, including all their side effects, only while you're actually on them.
Meaning, if there's a risk of blood clots, that risk exists while you're using the pills.
Once you quit, you aren't suddenly going to have problems twenty years down the line.

Besides, birth control is just the most common way people take synthetic hormones, but plenty of people use hormone replacement therapy for various health reasons beyond contraception.

Take people dealing with thyroid issues or those who've had a thyroid removal, for example.

You’re playing it way too safe, honestly. 😉

I used to go through corticosteroids back when I was in college, but today? There isn't a scenario on this planet where I’d touch them again. They already caused me enough headaches in ways that were completely secondary anyway.

Chris Lopez59 said:you're way too confident about everything😉

I used corticosteroids back in middle school. I wouldn't touch them today for anything. They caused me enough secondary issues as it is.

I believe you, but they aren't causing you problems now since you haven't taken them in years.
That's my point.
If you take birth control for, say, 10 years and then stop, I don't think you'll face any consequences 10 years after quitting.
These aren't substances that build up in your system and remain a risk a decade later.

By the way, I think you mentioned somewhere that your wife is on Logest.
How is she handling them? Any side effects?
I realize it might not mean much—she could react totally differently than I would—but I’m curious.
I'm supposed to start taking them at the beginning of my next cycle, but I haven't even seen a period for over a month now.

Carol Brooks41 said:I hear you, I really do, but they aren't going to cause you problems right this second if you haven't touched them in years.
That’s basically my point.
If you’ve been on birth control for, say, ten years and then you just stop, I don't think you're going to deal with any fallout a decade after you quit.
It’s not like those chemicals just sit there and build up in your system forever, waiting to strike ten years later.

it’s the same logic as GMOs. You’re making claims about things that are impossible to truly know, because proving direct cause and effect is such a nightmare, yet somehow you still feel totally certain.

We all have our little things we believe in, but I’m genuinely worried because there’s actual evidence pointing toward harmful side effects, while you seem determined to believe they don't exist at all.

Carol Brooks41 said:Anyway, I feel like you mentioned somewhere that your wife is on Logest.
How is she actually handling them? Any nasty side effects popping up?
I realize it might not mean anything at all, and my body might react totally differently than hers, but I’m still curious.
I’m supposed to start taking them at the beginning of my next cycle, but my period hasn't even shown its face for over a month now.

She had some weird discharge for two or three months when she first started, but after that, everything leveled out. She’s put on a little weight over these last three years, and her libido probably took a bit of a hit too, though who really knows. 🤷

Birth control hits my libido hard too.

Look, everything nowadays is just choosing the lesser of two evils; nothing is ever truly healthy.
I can't stand these pills because the side effects are unbearable, but what choice do I have?
If you take them, it’s bad; if you don't, it's also bad.

The only alternatives are having as many kids as Bog allows or using condoms, which aren't exactly practical when you're in a long-term relationship or marriage.
On top of that, now I'm dealing with PCOS. What am I supposed to do?
Things are definitely much worse without the pills.
I don't know about other women, but I feel incredibly on edge and can't focus on anything. I don't have specific physical symptoms, but missing my period for two months straight is definitely taking a toll on my mental state.

Personally, I'm against taking any kind of medication and I avoid it unless it's an absolute necessity.
I deal with headaches quite often, but I've never wanted to rely on pills for them.

Carol Brooks41 said:I can't speak for everyone else, but I’ve been feeling incredibly anxious lately and just can't seem to focus on anything at all. While I haven't noticed any specific physical symptoms yet, the fact that my period has been missing for two months straight is definitely taking a toll on my mental state.

I completely agree.

It makes total sense that you're feeling this way; honestly, it would be much stranger if you felt perfectly fine while dealing with such hormonal fluctuations. I'm going through the exact same thing myself—it’s all about that delicate feedback loop between the pituitary gland and the ovaries, and once that balance shifts, everything else follows.

Jamie Johnson6 said:Of course you feel that way. Honestly, it would be weirder if you felt fine given how much your hormones are haywire right now. I'm in the same boat—it's all about the pituitary, ovaries, and feedback loops.

That’s my point. I’d rather take birth control than deal with this constant terror; this is worse than any migraine.
Ideally, nobody should have to take anything since everything carries risks, but whatever.
Birth control exists for a reason, and the risks aren't high enough for me to walk away from them.
Right now, I just want my period to start so I can get on Logest and finally find some stability.
My blood work is perfect, so objectively, I have no reason to worry about clotting or vascular issues.

I just hope it actually shows up. Today was my last dose of Utrogestal, so it should arrive in a few days.
If it doesn't, I'll have to start over and deal with both progesterone and estrogen.

Carol Brooks41, I’m a total believer in this whole scenario—it’s basically the therapeutic routine I swear by. My biggest headache with it, though, is just how much time it eats up. Since the device is so versatile and hits on pretty much everything, you could technically be tackling three or four different issues all at once, but there's just no way to manage that because you can't even treat your own aching back while trying to fix everything else, and we all know a single session takes at least half an hour. So, you end up just grinding through them one by one.

But honestly, considering we live in a country where people would much rather blow $1333 on designer clothes than actually invest in their own health, there’s really no point in even recommending something this pricey. I definitely took a gamble when I pulled the trigger on this thing. Knock on wood, I haven't regretted spending a single cent so far.

Chris Lopez59 said:Carol Brooks41, I really trust the protocol; I use a therapeutic device myself. The biggest issue is time. Since the device is multi-purpose, you could technically address three or four issues at once, but you don't have the time—you can't even treat your own back while dealing with everything else. A single session takes at least half an hour, so you end up doing them one by one.

But since we live in a country where people would rather drop money $1333 on designer clothes than on their actual health, there’s no point in recommending such expensive gear. I took a gamble when I bought mine. Knock on wood, I haven't regretted spending a dime yet.

It's not that I'm against alternative approaches, but I don't believe in any "miracle cure" or gadget that fixes every health issue regardless of what it is.

Allergies and headaches are one thing; those can actually be triggered by things that such devices might help with.
But a headache caused by a brain tumor isn't the same thing as a headache caused by sleeping in a bad position.

A friend of mine uses it, and it actually helps her with spinal issues and allergies.
However, I don't think it can fix my ovaries, because there is a concrete physical issue causing the problem.

I also knew a man who claimed he cured his lung cancer using alternative methods.
A month later, he woke up severely swollen and deformed, only for doctors to find he had a few months left to live. It hadn't cured him; it had just metastasized to his brain.

I know that's not quite the same comparison as my situation, and I don't know how your device works, but honestly—if it were a headache or an allergy, I'd give it a shot. It might work for those cases. But how is it going to fix PCOS? That's something that can't even be resolved with surgery without removing the ovaries entirely.

That would all be fine, but most alternative methods require you to stop taking your medication, and frankly, that feels like gambling with my life.

Besides, I'll be staying on birth control regardless of the PCOS.

You mentioned yourself that the device is pretty pricey, and I'm not downplaying its usefulness—I'm just curious about the mechanics. Some health problems simply cannot be solved through simple soothing effects.

For instance, I know a girl with PCOS who stopped taking pills because she managed to regulate things somewhat through her diet.
Still, her ovaries are still polycystic; she just masked the symptoms. And that raises the question of how long that will last.

So, you’ve got the whole breakdown for treating the external areas, but there's also this specific gynecological electrode designed for internal vaginal use. I’m dying to know—do you think the developers actually intended for this to be used for gynecological treatments, or is that just an afterthought? 😉

Look, everything carries some level of risk. You can give it a shot and walk away with nothing to show for it. But honestly, how much would it actually be worth to you if it actually worked?

As far as my "backyard philosopher" brain can wrap itself around the technical explanation of how this thing functions, it seems to operate on the principle of stimulating energy flow through the body and transferring that energy exactly where it's needed most. There's a certain logic to it, I guess. Our bodies possess a massive amount of energy just to keep us running, even when we're feeling under the weather.

Now, what could you actually gain from this? Let's be real—you probably don't have a prayer of making existing cysts just vanish. But, if you ask me, it feels like it might prevent new ones from forming, and it could potentially clear up all those annoying symptoms without having to rely on a constant stream of pills. At least, that's what feels realistic and possible to me.

Chris Lopez59 said:Yeah, right. What would that even accomplish? You have almost zero chance of clearing out existing cysts. In my opinion, at best, you might prevent new ones from forming, which could potentially eliminate symptoms without needing pills. That’s about as realistic as it gets.

True, that's a possibility.

However, I'd be on birth control regardless because I have no intention of getting pregnant.
I used to take breaks from the pill every now and then, mostly just to give my liver a rest.

But I can't do that now. If I stop, there's a high probability this whole situation will just repeat itself.

By the way, my period started the day before yesterday.

Carol Brooks41 said:Yeah, I get that, it’s definitely a possibility.

But honestly, I’d still be popping birth control regardless because getting pregnant right now is the last thing on my mind.
The thing is, I’ve always tried to take breaks from the pill every once in a while, if only to give my liver a fighting chance.

But I can't really afford to do that right now, because if I stop, there's a massive chance this whole mess will just come crawling back.

Btw, my period finally showed up the day before yesterday.

Saw this in today's Metro Express: in the UK, one in ten women gets breast cancer, 😱 and they're linking those high percentages directly back to oral contraceptives. Apparently, the risk is especially high for women who haven't had children. They're even saying the risk for women born after the 60s has jumped nearly sixfold compared to women born before the 20s.

If you can find some other way to stop your ovaries from messing with your life, you really ought to look into alternative birth control methods. I have a friend who uses a more "natural" approach, and they swear by it. In over 15 years of being together, they haven't had a single unplanned pregnancy—they're actually expecting their third child now, and every single one was planned. You just combine it with condoms and you're golden.

The issue is that with PCOS, you can't really rely on natural methods because your hormones are all over the place.
You can never accurately predict ovulation, and even those LH strips aren't reliable when your hormone levels are this erratic.

Plus, women who don't ovulate generally face a higher risk of breast cancer, regardless of whether they're on birth control (I read that somewhere, though I can't recall exactly where).

Well, look... first you’ve got to find an alternative way to heal your ovaries 😉 get your cycle back on track naturally so those new follicles actually start popping out

And honestly, as far as you're concerned, while you're dealing with all these health issues, it's pretty obvious that even without any birth control, getting pregnant is going to be a massive uphill battle for you anyway...

Carol Brooks41 said:And besides, women who haven't given birth generally face a higher risk of breast cancer regardless of whether they use the pill (I think I read that somewhere, though honestly, I can't even remember where anymore).

We really ought to track down some actual statistics to be sure, but even then, it doesn't necessarily mean the risk level is identical for women who have never been pregnant and don't take anything versus those who have used oral contraceptives in the past.