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Australian Grand Prix - March 16, 2008

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Maria Nelson2 Maria Nelson2 Active Member
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#101 ·
hollowhawk412 said:man, you really are a die-hard Kubica fan, aren't you?

I mean, sure, Alonso is one of his closest buddies,
but what I'm getting at is that Alonso actually saw what everyone else missed almost a month ago.
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he realized that the BMW is way faster than those testing numbers let on...

and that all those technical hiccups were just side effects of taking some design risks
which, as we've seen, are totally fixable..

but hey, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out in the long run.

they didn't catch onto it in the public eye😉
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#102 ·
Arthur Doyle70 said:Both McLarens are definitely trailing behind here.👍😉

Kovalainen misses the first turn after making contact with Kubica.☕
Maria Nelson2 Maria Nelson2 Active Member
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#103 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Kovalainen just missed the first turn after that contact with Kubica.☕

Massa couldn't even make it through the first turn after that contact with Kubica, and you could tell things were falling apart when Raikkonen suddenly lunged right past both of them.☕🤣
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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#104 ·
hats off to Kubica 🙏

I honestly don't get why Massa didn't push for that second lap. It’s pretty bumming out to see, especially since he and Hamilton were right there within a tenth of a second. But hey, I guess we'll just have to sit back and see if this whole tactical play actually pans out...

It feels a bit premature to call it stupid since we haven't seen the results yet, so let's just wait and see how it plays out 🤷
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#105 ·
Arthur Doyle70 said:Massa can't even make it through the first turn after that contact with Kubica. It’s a mess out there. You can see the chaos unfolding when Raikkonen suddenly lunges at both of them.☕🤣

So, what happens next? Aliens descend from the sky, snatch up Alonso, and perform a public autopsy right there in front of the whole world. All just to figure out where those superhuman abilities come from—you know, that precious "six-tenths" advantage.☕
jadewolf56 jadewolf56 Newcomer
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#106 ·
BMW was solid, and I’m honestly hoping they can wedge themselves right between McLaren Kovalainen and Ferrari during the race. It would be interesting to see which third team actually steps up to become a constant threat now that Renault is basically out of the running.
they were absolute garbage
Maria Nelson2 Maria Nelson2 Active Member
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#107 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Yeah, and then aliens just swoop down, snatch up Alonso, and perform some public vivisection right there in front of everyone just to figure out where those superhuman abilities come from that allow him to shave off those precious "six tenths"☕

I think you quoted the wrong guy here😉
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#108 ·
Arthur Doyle70 said:I think you quoted that wrong.😉

You've got it wrong.😛
Maria Nelson2 Maria Nelson2 Active Member
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#109 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:You've got it all wrong.😛

Let's not derail the whole conversation just yet, though I suppose we could always pivot to talking about Alonso if everyone's feeling restless.😉😁Maybe we can revisit this once Alonso finally gets his own LLC up and running.😂😂
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
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#110 ·
Arthur Doyle70 said:the public hasn't even caught on to this yet😉

I'm not entirely sure I follow your logic there
Maria Nelson2 Maria Nelson2 Active Member
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#111 ·
hollowhawk412 said:I didn't quite catch your drift there

I don't think Alonso is some lone prophet who’s the only one in the entire F1 paddock to realize that BMW is lightning fast and practically knocking on the door of a win; every single team, no matter how much they try to play it cool, is constantly eyeing the competition and crunching the numbers—that's just basic data analysis—so what he tells the press doesn't mean he's the only guy who saw this coming.
but honestly, it really doesn't matter,🤷😉
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
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#112 ·
Arthur Doyle70 said:I find it highly unlikely that Alonso is some lone visionary in the entire F1 paddock who single-handedly realized how fast the BMW is; it’s almost at the point where they'll be snatching wins, and frankly, every single team—regardless of how much they might try to deny it publicly—is constantly monitoring their rivals and crunching the numbers to compare lap times across every conceivable metric and variable, because that is simply what statistics dictates, so whatever Alonso chooses to say to the press doesn't mean he's the only one who saw this coming.
and besides, it really doesn't matter,🤷😉

if it truly didn't matter, you probably wouldn't have felt the need to jump in and reply to my post in the first place...

They can watch all they want, but plenty of people have been asked directly who has the pace...
I mean, look at Trulli, who was out there claiming Ferrari was in a league of its own and that the championship was already decided, then you have Kimi being incredibly cautious and saying it was far too early to call anything,
even the Ferraria test drivers were busy speculating that Renault was hiding serious performance under the hood...and so on and so forth...everyone gets asked, yet nobody was pointing the finger at BMW...

but we'll just have to wait and see how they handle the tire degradation and those long runs...
Maria Nelson2 Maria Nelson2 Active Member
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#113 ·
hollowhawk412 said:that it doesn't matter, you probably wouldn't have even replied to my post anyway...

Fine, let them talk... but plenty of people have been asked who's got the edge here...
I remember Trulli claiming Ferrari was in a league of their own, basically saying the championship was already decided, while Kimi was being all vague and saying it was too early to call anything.
Even the test drivers over at Ferraria were whispering that Renault might be sandbagging their performance... and so on, and so forth. Everyone gets an interview, yet nobody's mentioning BMW...

But honestly, we’ll just have to wait and see how they handle the tires and those long runs...

People were already buzzing last year about how great the BMW starts were, everyone waiting for that inevitable moment this year where BMW finally hits the podium. And as for what Trulli says, who actually listens to him?😂😂 If Renault is hiding any real speed, they clearly kept it tucked away during qualifying.😂😂

At the end of the day, once the lights go out, things are going to get chaotic.

And it isn't just about tire wear and long runs; we're looking at the whole picture since the season has barely even started.☕
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
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#114 ·
A deep dive Q&A with Fernando Alonso

By Fernando Alonso by Jonathan Noble Saturday, March 15th 2008, 07:54 GMT

So, I suppose we should finally address the elephant in the room regarding how qualifying actually unfolded, though honestly, my blood pressure is still recovering from the sheer predictability of the whole ordeal. It was one of those sessions where you sit there, watching the telemetry, and you just feel this mounting sense of frustration because everything seems to be unfolding exactly as the pundits predicted, which is precisely what makes it so exhausting to follow. You expect a certain level of tactical brilliance or perhaps a sudden surge from an underdog, but instead, we get this steady, almost rhythmic progression that feels more like a scheduled appointment than a high-stakes competition. It’s fine, I suppose, if you enjoy watching a script play out in real-time, but for those of us who actually care about the nuances of driver aggression and technical ingenuity, it felt somewhat hollow. It wasn't a disaster, per se, but it lacked that visceral, heart-in-your-throat tension that truly separates a legendary session from just another afternoon of data points being validated.

FA : Well, it wasn't exactly anything to write home about, really. We pushed that car to its absolute limit, honestly, we squeezed every ounce of performance out of it, and yet, this is the hand we’ve been dealt. We just couldn't find that extra gear needed to break into Q3, which is frustrating, to say the least, but we aren't going to sit around moping about it; we’re going to focus on putting together a solid race tomorrow, and then we'll take everything we learned and aim for a much stronger showing when we head over to Malaysia next Saturday.

I honestly can’t say if that red flag during Q2 hit me at a particularly disadvantageous moment, though I suppose one could argue it disrupted the rhythm, if you want to get technical about it. It felt like just as things were starting to settle into a predictable cadence, everything just ground to a halt, which is always a bit grating when you're trying to maintain focus. It wasn't necessarily a disaster, but there is certainly an argument to be made that the timing was far from ideal for anyone looking to maximize their session.

FA : Yes, it was a disastrous moment. I crossed the finish line and saw a 1:26.0 flash up on the timing screen, which led me to believe I had secured my position. However, they inevitably invalidated the lap because a red flag came out just a hundred meters before I hit the stripe. That being said, we can't simply hide behind excuses like that to fuel our motivation. The reality is that the result was poor because we lacked any real competitiveness, even during our second run.

So, back during the launch, you mentioned your gut feeling that Renault were One second behind The front Cars, and honestly, looking at the data today, it’s pretty clear you called it exactly right. I’m curious though—looking at how they've been operating lately, have you actually observed any tangible movement in their performance, and do you think we're actually going to see some real progress on the horizon, or is this just more of the same?

FA : Well, yeah. It’s a given. We ended up sitting about eight-tenths back from the leader after Q2, having clocked a 1m25.9s. When you look at that blistering 1m25.1s pace-setter, you realize we’re trailing by just under a tenth of a second, which is actually quite a pleasant little shock if I'm being honest. We've managed to close the gap significantly more than our initial projections suggested, and honestly, given how fierce the field is right now, it's impressive. It isn't just us, either; the density of the grid is incredible, and many teams are breathing down the necks of Ferrari and McLaren, so it really is good competition at the moment.

It’s honestly a bit soul-crushing to see that Renault were One second behind The front Cars today, sitting all the way down at ninth on the pace chart. It really makes you wonder where it all went sideways, doesn't it? You look at the data and it just feels profoundly depressing to witness such a massive gap when you realize how much potential they supposedly had earlier in the season. It’s one of those moments where you just have to sit back, sigh, and wonder if the entire technical direction is fundamentally flawed.

FA : Well, that is certainly something we need to examine with a fine-tooth comb. While it’s technically true that I came incredibly close to breaking into Q3, looking at the team's performance as a whole tells a much bleaker story, and frankly, it isn't fantastic. Finishing twelfth and twenty-first is just an unacceptable result by any standard, and we can't sugarcoat that. We knew from the jump that there was significant work ahead of us, and it's clear we haven't reached where we need to be yet.

It was an uphill battle for Nelsinho this entire weekend, especially since those mechanical gremlins during yesterday’s practice sessions left us with almost no track time to work with. On top of that, this layout in Miami is notoriously unforgiving and technical, which doesn't help matters. We’re planning to turn things around as we head toward Malaysia, too. Look, sure, we didn't make it into Q3, but let's be honest—we are actually much closer to those top-tier teams than anyone predicted before we even touched down here.

To be perfectly honest, I find myself wondering why anyone would even ask that, as if there’s some grand mystery to solve here. It really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone who has been paying even the slightest bit of attention to the current state of things, because we all know that Ferrari and McLaren and it is good competition at the moment, but the consistency just isn't there. I mean, you look at the data and the sheer lack of pace compared to the leaders, and it becomes an incredibly obvious situation rather than some sort of statistical anomaly. It's almost frustrating how predictable these shifts in the standings can become when you realize the technical gaps aren't being closed nearly as fast as the pundits would like us to believe. I've been sitting here thinking about the trajectory of their season, and frankly, seeing them miss out on those top three spots feels less like a sudden upset and more like a slow-motion realization of where they actually stand in the hierarchy.

FA : Well, I have to admit, I’m a bit caught off guard here. Like I mentioned earlier, Massa managed to pull fifth in Q2, and even after I put together a solid lap, it looks like we might still be trailing him by about four or five tenths. Honestly, that’s just not something any of us saw coming.

It seems to me that while McLaren has certainly shown some strength lately, BMW Sauber are more or less at the same level, especially considering Kubica was P1 in first qualifying and then secured P2 in the second qualifying session, which leads me to believe that his second position in Q3 isn't just some fluke caused by a light fuel load or any other technicality. The BMW was quick in Q1 and Q2 as well, so one might argue we should have expected a bit more from Ferrari, though I suppose there is still the possibility that they will show up and be incredibly strong tomorrow.

If you’re asking me what kind of outcome would actually leave me feeling satisfied after tomorrow's race, I suppose I have to look at the broader landscape of the grid rather than just picking a favorite, though my patience for mediocrity is running thin lately. Honestly, I don't need a miracle; I just need to see some actual tactical competence from the pit wall, because watching them fumble basic strategy feels like a slow descent into madness. It would be enough to see a podium finish that wasn't handed over on a silver platter due to someone else's catastrophic error, provided the car actually holds its own when the tires start degrading. I’ve spent far too much time watching drivers struggle with setups that clearly weren't optimized for the track conditions, so seeing a clean, decisive run where the driver isn't fighting the steering wheel every single corner—that’s the dream, really. It’s about consistency and dignity, things that seem to be in increasingly short supply these days.

FA : Well, looking at where we’re sitting on the grid, I think we need to be pragmatic about our goals; we should be aiming for nothing less than a points finish. We have to remain grounded here and acknowledge that we aren't exactly at peak performance just yet, though we are certainly going to push ourselves to move beyond that 11th spot. Honestly, regardless of where we land, the objective for tomorrow is to fight our way into the points, especially considering the caliber of drivers trailing me—it's going to be an absolute nightmare trying to hold off someone like Kimi Raikkonen or Mark Webber. We essentially have a two-fold mission on our hands tomorrow: we need to aggressively claw back any lost ground while simultaneously defending our position against Raikkonen and the rest of that pack.

I find myself constantly circling back to this specific dilemma, and frankly, I suspect most people are overlooking the nuance required to actually answer it properly. When you look at the data from the practice sessions, there is a glaring discrepancy between how the car handles that sudden burst of energy during a single flying lap versus how it settles into a rhythmic, sustained pace once the tires reach their optimal operating window. It’s one thing to have a rocket ship for sixty seconds, but if the degradation kicks in prematurely, you aren't really racing; you're just waiting for the inevitable collapse. In my estimation, the current setup seems heavily skewed toward that immediate, aggressive grip, which usually suggests that the long-run stability is going to be a bit of a nightmare once we hit the mid-race stretch. We see this pattern repeatedly where a car looks like a dominant force in qualifying, only to turn into a sitting duck during the stint transitions because the aero balance shifts too drastically as the fuel load lightens. While some might argue that the raw speed will allow them to build enough of a gap to defend, I am inclined to believe the long-term pace will struggle to match that initial brilliance, and quite frankly, anyone telling you otherwise hasn't been paying close enough attention to the telemetry trends.

FA : Yes, I believe that’s the case. However, being stuck in the back of the pack is an uphill battle from the get-go because you're essentially forced to punish your tires just to stay competitive. When you're running with reduced downforce and constantly battling the dirty air coming off the cars ahead, it puts an immense amount of strain on the rubber. Given how the current technical regulations have shifted everything, you really have to be much more disciplined with tire management than we were last season; it's a delicate balancing act that becomes incredibly punishing when you aren't leading the charge.

One small slipup during braking or just a momentary loss of traction, and the whole thing goes sideways, so we are definitely looking at a fascinating race. Since this is the season opener, we’re dealing with a fresh set of regulations, which means there are a dozen different variables to account for tomorrow.

Q. Are you curious about how the race start is going to play out tomorrow?

FA : Yes, it’s going to be an interesting one, though honestly, I don't think anyone truly has a handle on it right now. Every single team is currently scrambling to deconstruct and analyze the data from everyone else's testing sessions, trying to figure out those little technical advantages, but we won't actually see the truth until the lights go out tomorrow.

Getting a clean launch is a nightmare because everything about these cars is incredibly finicky, whereas making a total mess of it is far too easy. My philosophy is pretty straightforward: just don't overextend yourself, stay composed, and simply wait for someone else to blink and make a mistake.

Q. Is it going to be a struggle to stay focused during the start with all that engine noise coming from the field?

FA : Not really, I wouldn't say so. At the end of the day, managing wheelspin comes down to your intuition with the throttle and monitoring the RPMs. Since we can keep a constant eye on the revs right there on the digital display, the sheer volume of the other cars shouldn't really disrupt our process much at all.
Harold Garcia9 Harold Garcia9 Newcomer
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#115 ·
Missed qualifying 🙂

😲 Why is the BMW actually that fast? 🤔

Tomorrow Kubica is going to tear Hamilton apart! 😂
Harold Garcia9 Harold Garcia9 Newcomer
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#116 ·
Yeah, why doesn't an American network have the practice footage? 🤔

Ignorant hacks, just like those clueless American soap opera types. 😠
Christian Williams61 Christian Williams61 Regular
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#117 ·
Harold Garcia9 said:And yeah, why doesn't ESPN have any footage from practice? 🤔

Just a bunch of clueless idiots—honestly, those mindless news anchors they have over there are just as bad. 😠


But look... you really should've just woken up and caught it live 😁😁
but don't sweat it. You'll have the race replay tomorrow 😉😛
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 VeteranOP
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#118 ·
Harold Garcia9 said:Yeah, seriously, why on earth does HRT not have any footage from the practice sessions? It’s honestly ridiculous. 🤔

Those absolute idiots and their brainless, bottom-tier soap operas. 😠

If you actually considered yourself a real F1 fanatic, you’d be sitting there watching the broadcast like a normal person.

I’ve got a seriously good feeling about Kubica, honestly—I really think he might actually pull off a win tomorrow.
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 VeteranOP
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#119 ·
1.Kubica
2.Kimi
3.Fernando
Jonathan Reed4 Jonathan Reed4 Active Member
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#120 ·
darkmarlin16 said:if you were a real F1 fan, you would have watched the broadcast

I’ve got a good gut feeling about Kubica. I actually think he might pull off a win tomorrow.

And if he weren't so stubborn, he would've just recorded it. 😁

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