Urban survival school
Started by redrider54 · · π 4 views · 26 replies
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#3 ·
Youβre being constructive here.
Regarding the urban survival school, I think your best bet is to just go check it out for yourself.
Either way, youβll likely get an answer from someone on this forum, whether it's Alexander Long37 or someone even more intense.
Regarding the urban survival school, I think your best bet is to just go check it out for yourself.
Either way, youβll likely get an answer from someone on this forum, whether it's Alexander Long37 or someone even more intense.
#5 ·
Alexander Long37 said:it hits me like a heart attack... straight to the chestπ
Give me a breakβitβs not *that* bad for an urban survival school... plenty of worse stuff out there.
#7 ·
π means we actually made it out alive, and π successfully defended ourselves against those Neanderthals π
#8 ·
Finally, someone with an actual thread!!! π
The urban survival school stuff and their sensei are definitely my favorite topics.
So, here goes:
The survival school was founded by sensei Damir Kukulj (an actual sensei, unlike his future student). Back when heβd fly back from the United States once or twice a year, heβd run seminars for a handful of regulars, teaching them the basics of Arnis and Jujutsu. One of the least talented guys there was this high school economics teacherβjust a totally stiff former karate guy. This ego-driven dude thought he had a massive skill set after training for maybe 2 or 3 months:
http://www.urbanazg.com/osnivac.shtml
He's also super proud of being on the board of some motocross association, which I guess he thinks counts as a martial art too. π
He couldn't really make a name for himself at any other clubs or under any other instructors, so he couldn't pull off the whole "respected founder" thing or start his own organization.
Then, after just 3 or 4 seminars where he picked up a few breaks and some joint locks, he decided to ditch Damir Kukulj and mash together everything he learned in those few months. He called his weird, nonsensical little style "Urban, survival school," which is basically just stealing Damir's name.
Mirek insists everyone calls him sensei, so that's how he introduces himself. He even designed his own gi and stays obsessed with bowing and Japanese ceremonies, especially the bowing part:
http://www.urbanazg.com/sl_1_02_v.jpg
Jujigatame, feel free to jump in if I missed anything... π
The urban survival school stuff and their sensei are definitely my favorite topics.
So, here goes:
The survival school was founded by sensei Damir Kukulj (an actual sensei, unlike his future student). Back when heβd fly back from the United States once or twice a year, heβd run seminars for a handful of regulars, teaching them the basics of Arnis and Jujutsu. One of the least talented guys there was this high school economics teacherβjust a totally stiff former karate guy. This ego-driven dude thought he had a massive skill set after training for maybe 2 or 3 months:
http://www.urbanazg.com/osnivac.shtml
He's also super proud of being on the board of some motocross association, which I guess he thinks counts as a martial art too. π
He couldn't really make a name for himself at any other clubs or under any other instructors, so he couldn't pull off the whole "respected founder" thing or start his own organization.
Then, after just 3 or 4 seminars where he picked up a few breaks and some joint locks, he decided to ditch Damir Kukulj and mash together everything he learned in those few months. He called his weird, nonsensical little style "Urban, survival school," which is basically just stealing Damir's name.
Mirek insists everyone calls him sensei, so that's how he introduces himself. He even designed his own gi and stays obsessed with bowing and Japanese ceremonies, especially the bowing part:
http://www.urbanazg.com/sl_1_02_v.jpg
Jujigatame, feel free to jump in if I missed anything... π
#9 ·
If Iβm following you correctly, Kukulj gave him that second day.
If you're right, then Kukulj is completely screwed.
Or maybe you're just wrong.
If there's some other explanation, please lay it out for me. I'm interested.
If you're right, then Kukulj is completely screwed.
Or maybe you're just wrong.
If there's some other explanation, please lay it out for me. I'm interested.
#10 ·
placidbison20 said:If I'm getting this right, Kukulj gave him that second day.
If you're right, then Kukulj is totally screwed.
Or maybe you're wrong.
If there's some other side to this, please explain, I'm curious.
Nah, that's not it. Kukulj just gave him an honorary day and the green light to run "Ronin" while he was away in the United States. Later on, Mirek basically bought that second day from Kevin Pell. He's never really explained why he sticks to those quasi-Japanese ceremonies when it's actually his ownβwell, his American style. It's also pretty weird how he brags about teaching Aiki-jutsu when he's never actually done it, maybe besides watching some old VHS tapes.
Why would Kukulj be screwed?
#11 ·
The certificate for day two says Kukulj handed it over himself, and there isn't any mention of it being a disrespectful move.
If the certificate is a fake, then whatever. But if itβs legitimate, Kukulj is in deep trouble for giving out a day two cert.
If the certificate is a fake, then whatever. But if itβs legitimate, Kukulj is in deep trouble for giving out a day two cert.
#13 ·
Solid point regarding the belt... that part confuses me too, especially since the diploma explicitly states what it says.
To give you some perspective on why people start questioning things regarding urban survival trainingβand keeping this strictly logical without looking for an argument:
Imagine a scenario where you train under Dean for a certain period until you become his lead instructor and run the school while he is away from the United States. You learn a very specific, well-defined set of unified techniques called SpecWog. (Your teacher, in this case, is also a highly respected, accredited master of other disciplines who had the unique opportunity to test these principles in real-world scenarios as a police officer, bodyguard, or security chief.)
That system has its own order, structure, and methodology established by the founders. The founder didn't just throw things together; they systematically translated their extensive experience and martial vision into a didactic teaching method called SpecWog. It isn't arbitrary. This isn't a commercial venture; in fact, most of the general public doesn't even know this whole thing exists. Itβs just a small group of police instructors and dedicated civilians attending occasional seminars, and thatβs it.
Then comes the "problem," which is usually the root of these debates:
Because you were the lead instructor, you earned a certain rank and possess significant knowledge, allowing you to run the school while the master is out of town. Eventually, you decide to part ways with your teacherβfor whatever reasons, and those should be respectedβand you start your own school, perhaps giving it a clever name like SpecDo.
You take a snapshot of the SpecWog repertoire, reshape it according to your own vision, and then tell the media that you are the author and founder of the first American system, claiming international recognition, while treating the person who actually holds the credit as someone you simply "finished" training under.
You continue to market it as an "effective combat system" that you created based on your own vast experience, even though it barely resembles SpecWog and is technically "original."
Then you move into heavy commercialization. Many would argue you lack the depth of knowledge or experience to maintain quality over the long term or to serve the primary goal: effective self-defense. Time will tell.
Until then, everyone is free to do as they please; or, as Kukulj puts it, everyone does what suits them best. I respect that. I'm not attacking anyone; I'm just providing a few interesting observations at the audience's request. π
P.S. One more interesting detail mentioned by George Martin: when listing a purely martial resume on a club's website, alongside belts and certified skills, you also include that you are a board member for some motorcycle association. π
To give you some perspective on why people start questioning things regarding urban survival trainingβand keeping this strictly logical without looking for an argument:
Imagine a scenario where you train under Dean for a certain period until you become his lead instructor and run the school while he is away from the United States. You learn a very specific, well-defined set of unified techniques called SpecWog. (Your teacher, in this case, is also a highly respected, accredited master of other disciplines who had the unique opportunity to test these principles in real-world scenarios as a police officer, bodyguard, or security chief.)
That system has its own order, structure, and methodology established by the founders. The founder didn't just throw things together; they systematically translated their extensive experience and martial vision into a didactic teaching method called SpecWog. It isn't arbitrary. This isn't a commercial venture; in fact, most of the general public doesn't even know this whole thing exists. Itβs just a small group of police instructors and dedicated civilians attending occasional seminars, and thatβs it.
Then comes the "problem," which is usually the root of these debates:
Because you were the lead instructor, you earned a certain rank and possess significant knowledge, allowing you to run the school while the master is out of town. Eventually, you decide to part ways with your teacherβfor whatever reasons, and those should be respectedβand you start your own school, perhaps giving it a clever name like SpecDo.
You take a snapshot of the SpecWog repertoire, reshape it according to your own vision, and then tell the media that you are the author and founder of the first American system, claiming international recognition, while treating the person who actually holds the credit as someone you simply "finished" training under.
You continue to market it as an "effective combat system" that you created based on your own vast experience, even though it barely resembles SpecWog and is technically "original."
Then you move into heavy commercialization. Many would argue you lack the depth of knowledge or experience to maintain quality over the long term or to serve the primary goal: effective self-defense. Time will tell.
Until then, everyone is free to do as they please; or, as Kukulj puts it, everyone does what suits them best. I respect that. I'm not attacking anyone; I'm just providing a few interesting observations at the audience's request. π
P.S. One more interesting detail mentioned by George Martin: when listing a purely martial resume on a club's website, alongside belts and certified skills, you also include that you are a board member for some motorcycle association. π
#14 ·
Don't get me wrong, I'm not out here defending him.
I'm just curious.
George Martin70, are you saying that degree is a total fake?
I'm just curious.
George Martin70, are you saying that degree is a total fake?
#15 ·
@ Gerald Smith76, honestly, it doesn't even matter... if someone wants to open their own little academy, let them. At the end of the day, any new place is just going to cater to a tiny handful of people who actually know what they're doing and have an interest in combat. This other stuff? That's just for the naive crowd. If someone wants to throw money away, that's on them. (I'm talking about the example Gerald Smith76 brought up, not these "masters" hereβI don't really know anything about them).
#16 ·
placidbison20 said:Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the guy.
Just curious.
George Martin70, you saying that diploma is fake?
Dunno about the diploma. I just know Mirek was basically an honorary leader while Damir Kukulj was away, and he only had an honorary belt. Kevin Pell, along with guys like him, will hand out belts to anyone willing to cough up the monthly cash for a license.
As for how legit Mirek is... I already brought up the whole Aiki-jutsu thing. And regarding everything else; what part of this is even Ju jutsu? Maybe placidbison20 could explain that better, but from what I know, those throws are called Goshin jutsu in Japan, and in China, there's zero connection to Ju jutsu. Also, I probably shouldn't even comment on his Wing Chun expertise since he only trained with TruntiΔ for a few months...
#17 ·
George Martin70 said:some guy who did Wing Chun for a few months under TruntiΔ...
Wait, is that actually what he said?
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