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Aleksandr Sokurov on NBC

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Participants Robert Cooper41Richard Hernandez13Terry Ramos60brightridge19Jose Miller17Gary Kelly8Richard Lee33Sophia Evans76Hannah Perez3
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 MemberOP
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joined Dec 2002
#1 ·
02/06 Russian Ark
02/13 Neman (Moloch)
02/20 Mother and Son
02/27 Father and Son

Before we dive in, I’d really suggest checking out this article. There was actually a pretty fascinating debate happening over here a while back, so if anyone feels the need to vent or air their grievances after tonight's screening, feel free to go ahead and tear it apart 😬
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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joined May 2004
#2 ·
Russian Ark honestly feels like it was commissioned by Putin himself just to make sure that "Russian history stays looking good." 😬
Terry Ramos60 Terry Ramos60 Active Member
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#3 ·
Why on earth would anyone decide to translate the title as "Russian Ark" instead of keeping it as "Russian Ark"?!?!?! I mean, after the film had already been showcased at various festivals right here in America under the title "Russian Ark" (and if I recall correctly, it might have even hit our local theaters that way)
brightridge19 brightridge19 Member
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#4 ·
😵

A friend and I actually ended up having this late-night—well, slightly drunken—debate regarding whether it was actually possible for Sokurov to have filmed both the Russian Ark and the Russian Ark? 😬 Then we caught a preview on NBC and realized they were actually the exact same thing. 🙂
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 MemberOP
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#5 ·
Just to clear things up for anyone following along:
"Moloch" is actually part of a "men of power" trilogy, which includes "Taurus" (that one about Lenin) and the most recent installment, "The Sun," which focuses on Hirohito. This upcoming one is supposedly all about Hitler.
As for "Mother and Son" and "Father and Son," those serve as the first and second parts—for heaven's sake—of a "family" trilogy.
... yeah, it’s definitely a bit pretentious if you ask me. 😬
But even so, I find myself waiting with bated breath for this final piece of the cycle, especially since I missed it a few years back. Word on the street is that it's actually the best of the bunch.
brightridge19 brightridge19 Member
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#6 ·
I find Sokurov’s sense of pretension quite charming—it has a certain gravity to it. I first saw Mother and Son years ago, so I suppose I can't exactly call it my favorite—that feels too simplistic—but it is certainly the closest thing to it. There is something deeply moving about the bond between father and son in that film. As for the Russian Ark... 🙂
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#7 ·
brightridge19 said:😵
Me and a friend actually had a late-night (drunk) debate about whether Sokurov filmed both the Russian Ark and some other movie called the Russian Ark. Then we saw the promo on TV and realized they were the same thing. 😬 🙂

Hehe, well his trilogy is basically the Russian Ark, the Russian Ark, and Russian Roulette 😁 😁...
Anyway, here’s the teaser:

'Acclaimed Russian filmmaker Aleksandr Sokurov decided to pull off one of the boldest experiments in cinema history: filming an entire feature-length movie in just one single shot! Years ago, the great Alfred Hitchcock shot "Rope" using about eight shots, where the transitions were so seamless you might have thought it was all one take—though back then, it would've been technically impossible since nobody had a camera with a film roll long enough for a whole movie. In the digital age, Sokurov could rely on top-tier digital tech (the footage was later transferred to 35mm film for theaters) and much smaller, easier cameras than what Hitchcock had to work with, making this feat actually doable. To pull off this stunt, Sokurov hired a crew of four and a half thousand people, and he kept the budget strictly under wraps. The film is deeply patriotic, essentially designed as a tribute to Russian history and the culture of the imperial era at a time when modern Russia deals with a certain complex regarding the West. Sokurov wants to showcase the scale and grandeur of Russian culture to boost national pride and remind Westerners of Russia's massive role in the history of Western civilization. The film is conceived as a fluid journey through Russian history via the halls of The Met, one of the world's most famous museums founded by Catherine the Great. It's fascinating that a film seemingly so unappealing to general audiences in American theaters still pulled in $2.3 million, likely due to the splendor of the imperial halls, the costumes, the paintings, and the music of Glinka, Tchaikovsky, Purvell, and Telemann. The film was in the competition at the Cannes Film Festival, nominated for European Film Awards for best directing and cinematography, and even picked up the Visions Award at the prestigious Toronto festival.'

By the way, the movie is on at 11:50 PM on the local channel, and based on all that, it's definitely worth a watch...
Gary Kelly8 Gary Kelly8 Member
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#8 ·
Maria Peterson said:Why on earth would they translate the Russian Ark as "Russian Ark"?!?!? I mean, after the movie hit all those festivals here in the States as the Russian Ark (and maybe even played in theaters, if I remember correctly), it just feels off.

It’s probably because the word for "ark" in Russian translates more directly to "chest" or "coffer"—which is totally different from how we use the word "ark" in English—and the translator likely just got a little carried away with the literal meaning...
brightridge19 brightridge19 Member
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joined May 2011
#9 ·
The director decided to play word games... backwards? 😬

Anyway—whatever it was called—the Ark is worth a watch. I highly recommend it. Russia is truly stunning 😍 and that particular take looks absolutely incredible. My apologies, of course, to the wonderful Mike Figgis... at time code it definitely looks twenty times better 😍

Yes. Now I can finally rest easy.
Richard Lee33 Richard Lee33 Newcomer
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#10 ·
brightridge19 said:that time code looks twenty times better by comparison 😍
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Oh, absolutely. I'll sign my name to that. Even if I haven't sat through the Russian Ark mutant yet. 😳
::It’s flashy, but it’s running on empty.
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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#11 ·
Angela Chavez36 said:Yeah... I'm in. Even if I haven't actually sat down to watch the Russian Ark yet. 😳

Wait, how can you even agree with that??
🤣
Terry Ramos60 Terry Ramos60 Active Member
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#12 ·
Gary Kelly8 said:It’s likely because the word for "ark" in Russian is "kovcheg"—which doesn't carry the same connotation as it does in English, much like how certain words might sound identical in two different languages but mean completely different things—and the translator simply got carried away with the literal interpretation...

I had no idea! But really, why on earth was it translated as the 'Russian Ark' in the first place?!?!
I mean, why was the film always known as the 'Russian Ark,' and now all of a sudden, we're suddenly calling it the 'Russian Ark' instead???
Sophia Evans76 Sophia Evans76 Member
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#13 ·
Maria Peterson said:I had no idea. But seriously, why on earth did they translate it as 'Russian Ark' in the first place?!?!
I mean, why was the movie always known as 'Russian Ark,' and now all of a sudden everyone's calling it 'Russian Ark'???

Probably because they just did a literal translation of the English title "Russian Ark," whereas the actual Russian title is Russki Kovcheg.
Terry Ramos60 Terry Ramos60 Active Member
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#14 ·
Sophia Evans76 said:It's likely because they just did a literal translation of the English title "Russian Ark," even though the original Russian title is actually Russki Kovcheg.

That seems to be the case! But really, wouldn't you expect them to be a bit more clever than that?
Sophia Evans76 Sophia Evans76 Member
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#15 ·
Maria Peterson said:probably. though you'd think they'd have enough sense to be smarter than that

Who? Our translators... 🤣

Oh, they definitely are... 😬 😛
Richard Lee33 Richard Lee33 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Jose Miller17 said:So how can you even claim to be subtitling?? 🤣


Good grief. My timestamp was perfectly accurate. Even if I haven't seen the Russian Ark, that remains true. I refuse to sign off on a correction just because I used a word loosely due to lazy typing.
Let’s rephrase: I haven't watched the Russian Ark, but my timestamp was correct.
There, Jose Miller17, everyone is happy now. Let's move on.
Jose Miller17 Jose Miller17 Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#17 ·
I don't know, I just thought it was funny :-)...but what happened to that guy looking for a couple of empty cassette tapes? 😁
Richard Lee33 Richard Lee33 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2004
#18 ·
I stripped off my clothes and came back holding a bag. Why? 🙂
Hannah Perez3 Hannah Perez3 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2006
#19 ·
I didn't really vibe with the Russian Ark film... I honestly couldn't make it past the first ten minutes. I think I went in expecting a continuous narrative flow, but instead, it felt like a new set of scenes just popped up after every major "milestone." It seems to me that this whole one-shot filming style is more of a technical gimmick than an actual artistic choice.
brightridge19 brightridge19 Member
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joined May 2011
#20 ·
brightridge19 said:Well, I just grabbed my own stuff and came back with a bag—why wouldn't I? 🙂

Dear Lastan, am I strange if I read this and the first thing that pops into my head isn't a grocery bag, but Ken Loach?


And that Russian Ark film is actually quite fascinating. div>

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