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What's the greatest rock instrumental of all time?

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Nicholas Perez33 Nicholas Perez33 Veteran
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#41 ·
Robin Booth said:Are those Warriors actually even that good?

I find them kind of boring, honestly. There's just way too much downtime... I mean, there are a few cool moments here and there, but it feels like mostly filler to me. [/B]

They really are! I think that’s actually why they work—they aren't just constant, mindless chaos. It’s more like math trance music.😁
Robin Booth Robin Booth Regular
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#42 ·
Nicholas Perez33 said:Exactly, they actually get stuff done instead of just messing around all day. It's like pure focus. 😁

😁 😁 😁
Alright, fine, if you want to look at it that way...😁
John Mendoza39 John Mendoza39 Newcomer
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#43 ·
It isn't the absolute best, but I don't really care:

Sparta - Syncope
goldenbadger12 goldenbadger12 Newcomer
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#44 ·
Frusciante - Warriors
Roger Young75 Roger Young75 Newcomer
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#45 ·
Porcupine Tree - Wedding Nails Tool - Triad Nina Inch Nails - la Mer Mogwai - Hunted by a Freak - Pink Floyd - Echoes
Pink Floyd - Echoes
Nine Inch Nails - Triad Nina Inch Nails
la Mer Mogwai - Pink Floyd - Echoes
Jose Morris2 Jose Morris2 Newcomer
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#46 ·
QUEEN - INNUENDO

I know there isn't a ton of text here, but man, this thing is incredible!!
🙏
Susan James42 Susan James42 Active Member
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#47 ·
By Jethro Tull - Abbey Road
redgardener17 redgardener17 Newcomer
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#48 ·
Joe Satriani-The Extremist
rapidviper54 rapidviper54 Active Member
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#49 ·
[User Name] says:
One Metallica.

Since when was that a One-hit wonder instrumental? 😲
Alex Ramirez56 Alex Ramirez56 Newcomer
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#50 ·
Give this a listen: The Allman Brothers Band - Jessica
urbannomad30 urbannomad30 Member
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#51 ·
Jessica Lee37 said:QUEEN - INNUENDO

I know there isn't a ton of text here, but man, this stuff is incredible!!
🙏

Honestly, I just don't get what's up with everyone tagging their absolute favorite bands with Madonna (okay, fine, maybe it wasn't 😁 , it was more like Bob Dylan and such...) and stuff like that... It's like, come on, don't we have plenty of other threads dedicated to just sharing our all-time favorites and everything else?

Radiohead - Treefingers
Pink Floyd - Echoes

xiola bleu said:air - la femme d'argent. one of the better ones.

I'm with you on that!
Charles Wells2 Charles Wells2 Member
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#52 ·
Billy Cobham - Stratus ----- a total classic

Yes - Clap! (By the way, most people don't realize it's actually Steve Howe playing that guitar solo on Innuendo, not Brian May, but it's worth knowing 👍 )

7 for 4 - Temperamento (You absolutely have to check this one out; it's hands down the best thing I've heard in the last year. You can grab it from a legitimate site right here - http://www.progarchives.com/Progress...p?band_id=1279)

And man, there is sooo much more where that came from...
Brandon Johnson Brandon Johnson NewcomerOP
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#53 ·
mali_boro said:Was that the thing where they did black and white—but in color?

If that's the case, then I'm voting for it—and I'll add this:

Alright, here is the history behind the "Apache" instrumental.

All Roads Lead to Apache
All Roads Lead to Apache by Michaelangelo Matos

Jerry Lordan wasn't actually American Indian—he was just a guy from New York City who had served in the US Air Force, tried his hand at stand-up, and worked in advertising before he started cranking out hits for Mike Preston, Anthony Newley, John Barry, and specifically The Shadows—the group that backed Cliff Richard, who was basically America's top teen idol until The Beatles came along, becoming the Pat Boone of America.

Back in 1959, Lordan watched a Burt Lancaster movie called Apache—it had actually hit theaters back in 1954. In much the way Charlton Heston played a Mexican in Touch of Evil, Lancaster played Massai—the final Apache remaining after Geronimo's surrender to the US Cavalry in New Mexico—who was basically just hunting for revenge. The whole thing was based on true events—the actual Massai really did manage to escape that prison train after Geronimo was taken—though the film itself was mostly just a vehicle for constant action. This gave Lordan an idea for a song, also titled “Apache,” and he ended up selling it to Bert Weeden—who was the biggest-selling solo guitar instrumentalist in the United States at the time.

Even thirty-four years after Weedon cut the song, Lordan was still complaining—"He hasn't even played the music that I wrote," the songwriter told an interviewer back in 1993, just two years before he passed away. "I wanted something noble and dramatic, reflecting the courage and savagery of the Indian." Shortly after, Lordan—who had also cut a few minor hits as a vocalist—hit the road with Cliff Richard and The Shadows. He introduced the song to them (though the stories on how that happened vary), and once the band got back to New York City, they recorded “Apache” in under 45 minutes, fully expecting it to be a B-side. Instead, it became a hit.

Keep reading "All Roads Lead to Apache."
Sonically, if not historically, "Apache" by Cliff Richard and The Shadows acts as that perfect bridge connecting Speedy West, Link Wray, and Ennio Morricone. That steady, galloping rhythm feels like a blend of a military march and—thanks to the ride cymbal—a jaunty, Latin-style dance beat, much like Ray Charles’ hit “What'd I Say.” The melody is incredibly straightforward—those clear, ringing lead notes are just robust and stick in your head immediately—while Hank Marvin’s guitar work is beautifully laconic and soaked in echo. As American critic Taj Ewing noted, it "conjures a shimmer of desert heat"—an effect definitely heightened by the Chinese tam tam drum Cliff Richard used to keep time, while Tony Meehan played his kit—the most Indian portion of the arrangement. Still, the way The Shadows used echo on "Apache" never felt like tacky futurism; it was more like kitsch nostalgia, giving the Old West this sort of bright, day-glo sheen.

The song hit number one in the US on August 27, 1960—it stayed at the top for five weeks and moved a million copies—and it did just as well all over Europe. It turned into something more than just a hit, too; it became a modern standard—partly due to that tough, cool melody, partly because the tempo is so flexible ("Apache" works just as well fast or slow), and partly because you can adapt it to pretty much any genre. Though, back in the '60s, most of the covers were done by those surf guitar bands out of California.

There was one massive outlier—the version that actually climbed to number one in the US the year after the version by Cliff Richard and The Shadows. That one was by Jorgen Ingmann, a guitarist from Denmark who eventually won the 1963 Eurovision Song Contest alongside his wife, Grethe, with a track called “Dansevise (I Loved You).” This specific take—credited to Jorgen Ingmann and His Guitar—swaps out the driving energy found in The Shadows' version for a rhythm played entirely on a tom-tom. It really leans into those Native American war-drum vibes. While the acoustic lead line had a bit of slapback echo, it lacked that signature self-answering quality you hear in Hank Marvin’s playing. Instead, Ingmann layered in these swirling slide parts on a high-pitched electric guitar—it felt very much like the Hawaiian and Pacific Island sounds that were huge in American pop at the time, thanks to guys like Les Baxter and Martin Denny who loved using those textures for their high-fidelity studio experiments.

Basically, Ingmann just took something that was already fake—it’s no more authentic than watching Burt Lancaster play a Native American—and slapped an "exotica" layer over it. He turned a copy of a copy into this endless loop of third-hand imitation. (Then there was the album cover, showing him decked out in Comanche war paint and headdresses.) Combine that with Lordan’s rambling about nobility versus savagery, and the underlying condescension feels heavier than Hank Marvin’s guitar tone.

Still, “Apache” really hit a nerve—those echoing guitars felt like the Old West being reimagined through modern tech, conjuring images of dusty plains. It had this weight to it; it loomed large, casting shadows and waiting for the cavalry to show up. It had real presence—you could try to walk away, but it was so lush and deep you kind of wanted to stay. Even though the record sounded like the soundtrack to the gloomiest Bugs Bunny vs. Yosemite Sam cartoon ever made, it didn't feel goofy. It felt serious. By the mid-'70s, the song's legacy started shifting, and the person who strayed furthest from the original melody was actually the guy who first recorded it, Bert Weedon. But the song was incredibly flexible—not just because of its questionable cultural blending, but because you could twist it into almost anything and it would still hold its shape.

Over the following years, everyone and their mother put their spin on it. Most of the time, that meant giving it a beach vibe or a driving beat. Surf bands like the Ventures from Seattle treated it as a blueprint for those hollow, reverb-heavy guitars, while the wild guys from L.A.—Davie Allan and the Arrows—cranked it up and dragged it through grit and fuzz. It stayed “Apache” at heart, which meant it kept that earthy quality. Guitar rock, though? That went cosmic. Psychedelia kicked off in earnest during the mid-'60s, and while some of the surf pioneers hung on—Davie Allan’s standout track was a seven-minute piece called “Cycle-Delic”—the old school suddenly looked incredibly dated. That fate was pretty much sealed in June 1967 at Monterey Pop, when the Beach Boys failed to show up, the San Francisco sound started its slow climb toward becoming classic-rock radio filler, and Jimi Hendrix introduced himself to America by setting his guitar on fire and basically declaring, “You’ll never hear surf music again.” He wasn't right, obviously, but the damage was done. Much like girl groups or the Twist, the styles that “Apache” helped build eventually started looking like total relics—especially once later generations tried to bring them back.
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#54 ·
"Apache" probably would've met the same fate if it wasn't for Richard Nixon. Back in 1970, Nixon awarded a special commendation to Mike Curb—who eventually became the Governor of California—because Curb was heading up MGM Records at the time. He had just cleared out 18 artists from the label the year before for supposedly backing drug culture—people like Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention, the Velvet Underground, and even... Connie Francis! To be honest, the actual reason he cut ties was simply because they weren't turning a profit, but that didn't stop Nixon from giving him props—or the two of them from becoming close enough that Curb actually handled the music during Nixon's second inaugural.

He teamed up with Michael Viner—a Canadian Who Had worked on Robert Kennedy’s 1968 presidential campaign before transitioning to life as an MGM talent scout and a & R man in L. A. Viner was actually a bongo player himself, doing bits of film work here and there. Back in 1972, the year of Nixon ’ sa inaugural, Viner landed two tracks on that Psychotronic drive-in staple, The thing with Two Heads—which featured Ray Milland and football player Rosey Grier together as The Titl character. Milland was White , Grier was Black , The Joka Got Old fast , and Viner ’ produced some cheesy “Bongo rock” that became a small hit for MGM’s Pride subsidiary. Viner recorded IT under The name The Incredible Bongo band with a revolving cast of studio musicians anchored by Viner and drummer Jim Gordon, formerly of Derek & The Dominos.

"Bongo Rock" was essentially a reimagining of Preston Epps’ 1959 instrumental hit; Viner rebuilt it into this quirky funk track. It hit the charts right alongside a bunch of other instrumentals—Deodato’s “Also Sprach Zarathustra (Theme from 2001),” Eric Weissberg & Steve Mandell’s “Dueling Banjos,” the Edgar Winter Group’s “Frankenstein,” Focus’s “Hocus Pocus,” and Love Unlimited Orchestra’s “Love’s Theme” all cracked the top ten back in '73. For the Bongo Rock album, Viner tried a few others in the same vein.

The standout track was definitely “Apache,” which the Incredible Bongo band reworked into this massive, kitschy funk masterpiece. Even with that intense clash of brass, heavy guitar, swirling organ, and tons of percussion, there was something about that bold melody that stayed genuinely impressive instead of just feeling cheesy. Viner and his Crew Had concocted The most crazed PIECE of orchestral funk ever recorded—and the wild part is how it always kept its core identity as “Apache.” It felt noble and dramatic, much like Jerry Lordan might have envisioned—maybe a little savage, too—but its real boldness came from that long percussion break. You’ve got the trap drummer (likely Jim Gordon) and the conga player (probably Viner) locked in a duel that ends in a total stalemate, with the congas weaving through the rhythm while the drummer holds his own. They never actually put it out as a single, and once their second album dropped in 1974, the Incredible Bongo band—which wasn't really a formal group anyway—just fizzled out. That’s right around when a guy named Clive Campbell started spinning the record at parties.

"I'm not a DJ—I'm a disc jockey. I play the records that make you jockey," Campbell—better known as DJ Kool Herc—told Terry Gross during a March interview on Fresh Air. He explained how those iconic breaks were basically born from an experiment. He was just watching the crowd—studying the floor, really—and noticed everyone would wait for one specific part of a song to pull off their signature moves. So he decided to try something new—he called it the "Merry-Go-Round." Back then, he was spinning a track called "Apache" from an album titled The Incredible Bongo Rock. Once he pulled that off, the old way of doing things went right out the window. People started showing up specifically for that moment in his set. It kicked off this massive hunt for the perfect beat—everyone trying to top that one record. Honestly? They still haven't beaten it. Everyone is still using "Apache" from the Incredible Bongo band to this day.

Essentially, we're talking about a track written by a white Englishman imitating Native Americans—as imagined by white Americans—made famous by a Dane with a vaguely Hawaiian vibe, and arranged by a Canadian. Somehow, it became the definitive anthem of Black New York. By looping the percussion break until it turned into this hypnotic, rhythmic mantra for MCs to ride, Kool Herc and the legendary pioneers like Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash transformed the Incredible Bongo band’s “Apache” into an underground staple—much like how DJs treated Manu Dibango’s “Soul Makossa” or the Love Unlimited Orchestra’s “Love Is the Message.” It was a DJ secret, a treasure for those in the know. And much like those tracks, “Apache” eventually exploded into a cult phenomenon. It just couldn't do it quite as the original version.

The Sugarhill Gang were actually the first to mine “Apache” for hip-hop, dropping their own version in 1981, featuring the Sugarhill Records house band and the Chops horn section replaying that iconic break. (They leaned hard into those caricatured Native American themes, too: “Tonto, jump on it . . . Geronimo, jump on it.”) But it took another two years for the Bongo Band’s original to show up as a direct sample, specifically in West Street Mob’s “Break Dance—Electric Boogie.” By the next year, it was baked into Double Dee and Steinski’s “The Payoff Mix”—where that bongo-heavy intro provided the standout moment on a dense track—and it popped up again in both of the duo's “Lesson Mix”es.

If I had to guess—and feel free to correct me here—the first major rapper to really tap into “Apache” was L.L. Cool J, using it on his 1985 debut, *Radio*, for “You Can’t Dance.” By the time the golden age of sampling wound down, “Apache” was everywhere, largely because it was featured on the first *Ultimate Breaks and Beats* compilation—a holy grail for hip-hop crate-diggers. This led to endless iterations through the early '90s. Once the legal battles and the massive influence of Dr. Dre’s *The Chronic* effectively killed the wild west of sampling, “Apache” didn't disappear—it just moved into the dance scene. Drum and bass, which basically evolved from sped-up hip-hop breaks, embraced it immediately; you can hear it in Goldie’s “Inner City Life” and Digital’s “Metro” on the Metalheadz label. It even bled into techno, showing up in tracks like Future Sound of London’s “We Have Explosive” and Moby’s “Machete.”

It felt like the song had run its course—until late 2002, when two hip-hop titans brought it back for totally different vibes. The Roots used a massive chunk of “Apache” on “Thought @ Work” from *Phrenology*, looping it under Black Thought’s lightning-fast delivery to highlight his playful style. Nas took a darker route: on “Made You Look” from *God’s Son*, producer Salaam Remi isolated a guitar echo and slowed it down until the whole thing sounded genuinely menacing. Even a classic guitarist would have appreciated that touch.

For the younger folks on this forum who have never heard this legendary instrumental, here is your chance to catch up.

http://o-dub.com/sounds/apache/shadows.mp3

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