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Was the Lollapalooza San Diego festival a total disaster?!

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Benjamin Parker2 Benjamin Parker2 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Metalheads swarmed this old-school city, all hyped to see their heavy favorites. The lineup looked killer on paper, featuring Soulfly, Amon Amarth, and obviously, Therion. Everything was supposed to kick off at noon. Instead, a sea of long-haired fans just stood there waiting... and waiting. We finally got a start time of 8:00 PM?! People were storming the gates looking for the promoters. Why? You already know why. Shout out to the local demo acts like Dream Theater, though—they actually knew how to warm up the crowd. Those Swedish Vikings, Amon Amarth, absolutely crushed it; they showed everyone what real music sounds like. Then some random band with ties to Australia took the stage to a chorus of empty glasses. Unhappy with the vibe, one guy from that band actually had the nerve to tell the crowd, "You got the show you deserved!" Seriously? Did we really deserve some ego-tripping jerk talking down to us after we dropped $30 on a ticket? Then The Eighth Traveler came on with a new lineup—solid set, sounded great. Ended the night with some band from Canada... and all for $30?
And what about Therion?
Look, I don't care about the music as much as the mess. If you can't handle basic event planning, find a different job. Mad respect to the enthusiasts who tried to pull this together, but what did we actually get? Total embarrassment and a bad look for this whole city.
The majority of the scheduled bands were in San Diego, so why didn't they play?
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Benjamin Parker2 Benjamin Parker2 MemberOP
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#2 ·
Here is what Amon Amarth is saying on their official site http://www.amonamarth.com/news.html:

Background:
Back in late April, the Lollapalooza organizers reached out to us about playing the festival and potentially doing a bonus gig in a neighboring state. Since the crew seemed legit and professional, we took the deal.
The agreement was simple: the promoters would handle all flight bookings and costs for the band and our sound engineer.
As time dragged on, we hadn't seen a single ticket, and there was zero word on that extra show. Eventually, we figured the extra gig was a bust, and we started wondering if we’d even have flights to get us down to the festival site.
What actually went down:
On Tuesday the 12th, we finally got an email from the organizers with a flight itinerary to look over. It had us flying in on the 14th and heading home on the 18th. We said yes, but we didn't actually get ticket confirmation until late Thursday the 13th. Still, we pushed through and landed in San Diego on the 14th.
On the day of the festival, we were just hanging out at the hotel, waiting for someone from the fest to reach out and grab us and our gear. Nothing. Total silence. Around 4 PM, Therion headed back from the festival grounds and dropped the bomb: the power was out at the venue and they were looking at canceling everything (check the Therion statement at the link).
We still hadn't heard a peep from the organizers, so we were basically prepping to pull the plug on our set too. Then, around 7 PM, some guy connected to the organization—though his exact role was pretty sketchy—told us the whole festival was officially dead.
By 8 PM, an Amon Amarth fan named Gregor called us. He said the power was back on and offered to drive us to the venue so we could play. But here's the kicker: we still hadn't heard from the promoter, and they hadn't paid us the full amount promised in our contract.
Even with all that mess, we decided to suck it up. We were already there, and we weren't about to let our fans down.
When we showed up, the festival site was pure chaos. The organizer was MIA, and it felt like nobody was running the show. They hadn't even provided a complete backline, but thanks to some awesome people who weren't part of the official staff, we managed to pull it off! (Huge shoutout to the guy who lent us a double pedal!)
Despite the madness, the show ended up being killer. The second we hit that stage, we knew we made the right call. Huge thanks to all the fans for making it such a blast. You guys made the travel and the massive headache totally worth it. Thank you!
Benjamin Parker2 Benjamin Parker2 MemberOP
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#3 ·
Check out what Therion is saying on their official pages http://main.megatherion.com/kliffoth.html#28 :

Festival in San Diego gets scrapped
Like some of you probably heard, our set and the whole damn festival in San Diego got canceled. Even though the official reason should've been made public by now, I figured I’d drop a post here so there's no confusion about what went down. I also want to make it clear: don't go thinking we have a problem with America or that we're never coming back—I've heard enough of that chatter already. Every country has its share of people—some know how to run a show, and others clearly don't. We’ll definitely be playing in the US again in the future, but next time it’ll be handled by the national promoter, who’s a solid guy and a reliable partner.
Benjamin Parker2 Benjamin Parker2 MemberOP
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#4 ·
At the end of April this year, we got hit up by the Lollapalooza organizers. They wanted us to play the festival and potentially add a bonus show in a nearby state. This was all part of the official news announcement. On the actual day of the festival, we were just chilling at the hotel, waiting for some word from the festival staff. Around 4 PM, Therion headed back from the festival grounds and dropped a bomb: there was no power at the venue, and they were planning to cancel everything. You can check out Therion's statement on the link provided. We still hadn't heard a peep from the festival organizers, so we were basically getting ready to pull the plug on our own show too. Then, around 8 PM, an Amon Amarth fan named Gregor gave us a call. As some of you already know, our performance and the whole festival in San Diego ended up being canceled. Even though they really should have made an official announcement explaining why, I figured I’d just lay it out here myself. Amon Amarth and Rage didn't get much warning either—they only had their tickets confirmed five hours before everything went south. They had traveled all the way from London to a nearby city and then faced a six-hour bus ride from there. It was a mess for everyone, including Rage and all those other bands that were supposed to be tearing it up on the second stage. We're definitely going to play in America again in the future, though. We're currently setting up a meeting with the national promoter who signed us—the same guy responsible for booking our future headlining show in Miami. Whether it's Soulfly or Therion, things will get sorted.

We picked up half the deposit a few weeks back, which covered our travel costs. But per the contract, the rest of the cash is supposed to hit our account before we even step on stage. It’s a safeguard so promoters don't pull a disappearing act mid-set or try to hit us with a "sorry, I'm broke" excuse once we've finished playing.
Amon Amarth and Rage weren't upfront with a deposit like we were, but the organizer was strictly supposed to cover their tickets.

Rage didn't even have their flights locked in when they were supposed to, so they pulled the plug just a few days before the festival kicked off.

Can you believe this? Amon Amarth didn't even get their flight confirmation until just 5 HOURS (!) before they were supposed to take off!

We rolled out at 2:30 in the morning, hauled all our gear out of the studio, hit the airport, and caught the 6:40 flight to London before catching a 6-hour bus ride from Trieste. From the moment we lugged our equipment toward the airport at 4:00 AM, it turned into a brutal 17-hour trek just to arrive. We went through hell just to get there—and honestly, we expected the same nightmare on the way back to Sweden—so we were ready to play under conditions we’d usually never touch. We hung around the festival site hoping things would get sorted out, but Soulfly bailed long before us once they realized they wouldn't see a dime even if the technical issues were fixed. Not trying to hate on Soulfly; that's just how any professional outfit would handle it.

Here’s our take on how everything went down that day, based on the facts we managed to dig up:

Where it all went south. By the time we were supposed to be live, the main stage was still a construction zone and they hadn't even broken ground on the second stage. Because the local noise ordinances are brutal—if you go over the curfew, the cops shut the whole thing down immediately—the organizer was stuck. It was either scrap every single band on the second stage or risk the entire festival getting axed. Obviously, that’s a nightmare move. These bands spent their own damn money to get out here, hoping to play a major festival and actually get some eyes on them. But look, if the festival dies, nobody wins, so it was the only logical call left to make. Still, once everything started hitting the fan later that day, I actually asked if someone could step up and explain to the crowd in English exactly why those sets were pulled and who made the call. You can't have people running around with half-baked theories about why things went sideways.
We figured we’d throw in some extra tracks to lift the mood. People were pretty bummed about missing out on Rage and all those other bands that were supposed to kill it on the second stage.

It’s just getting worse. Nothing was remotely ready when we rolled in. We spent an hour just killing time in the sweltering heat—chatting with folks, hitting a shop for some ice cream—until our tour manager finally told us we were wasting our breath. Some of the gear hadn't even shown up yet, so they hauled us back to the hotel. Then, out of nowhere, I get a call at the hotel saying the equipment finally arrived. Only problem? It wasn't the gear we actually ordered. This stuff was settled months ago, and the local promoter explicitly agreed to provide it as part of the contract. Now, suddenly, the organizer is claiming he sent an email saying he *didn't* have what we asked for. That’s a straight-up lie, and we’ve got the email chain saved to prove it. Honestly, that alone is enough legal ground to scrap the show and still collect the full payout. Most tour managers would have pulled the plug right then and there just to teach these clowns a lesson. I talked it over with our tour manager. Since he’s also our sound engineer, I told him if he can make do with what we actually have, we’ll roll with it. We’ll play on whatever junk is available just to keep the festival alive.

The real kicker here is that if the organizer had just been straight with us and said, "Hey, I can't get the gear you asked for," it wouldn't have been an issue. The national promoter in Miami (the guy who actually signed our contracts—we never dealt with the local organizer directly) told me he could’ve easily sorted it out and brought the gear himself! This whole mess happened strictly because the local organizer wouldn't just be honest. Any problem can be fixed if you speak up early, not a few hours before the show starts on the day of.

3. A complete disaster. A few hours later, they dragged us back there. By this point, based on the original schedule, the festival should have been well underway, and we were just gearing up for soundcheck. We pushed through, and after dealing with some issues, we managed to settle on a setup that was somewhat tolerable given the chaos. Look, the only reason we insist on specific gear is because we give a damn about the fans and want them to hear a great show. If you order a Mesa Boogie 2:90 power amp (that's a Ferrari) and they hand you a Marshall 2000 top (that's a beat-up Fiat), it's still better to "drive your fans in that Fiat than let them walk."
Right as we decided to suck it up and try to make it work, the power cut out completely. Almost immediately, we found out the guy renting the diesel generator for the festival hadn't been paid as promised. He told them he wasn't delivering another drop of juice until he saw the cash.
Since that isn't a massive amount of money (for a promoter, anyway—it's a lot for a regular person), it was a huge red flag. I realized right then that the whole thing was probably dead in the water. Ivo (our old Webmaster) had already warned me that this organizer is notorious for stiffing people on payments. A quick bit of math made it obvious: the guy is broke. Shortly after, we heard Soulfly had already called it quits on the show, canceled, and headed to the beach to go swimming. Even the national promoter told me the night we arrived that he was fed up with the local organizer for being totally incompetent.

Legally, the generator guy was in the right, but honestly? He’s a total moron. An absolute idiot. You don't just yank the plug when there’s high-end gear hooked up to the line. If he had any sense at all, he would have said, "I haven't been paid, so I'm cutting the power in five minutes." Beyond the gear on stage potentially breaking, there's a massive risk of frying the PA system or the mixing desk if you just kill the power like that. You’re supposed to lower the volume, hit standby, and *then* switch it off. Since the PA was brand new and top-tier, the rental company (who also hadn't been paid upfront, which is standard) suddenly claimed they couldn't guarantee if the gear suffered short-term or long-term damage. Now they were demanding cash on the table before they'd let us touch it again. What started as a struggle to find some cash turned into a total impossibility. Plus, if the organizer couldn't even cover the electric bill, how the hell was he going to pay the bands? That's what Soulfly figured out; instead of sitting around the festival grounds wasting time, they went for a swim so they could at least get something out of their trip to the US. I don't blame them one bit.

4. The end. The organizer had a window to scrape the money together and get the lights back on. Time ticked away, and nothing happened. Eventually, the tour manager and management declared the show canceled (after conferring with the national promoter, who held the actual contracts) and told our crew to start loading out. Even while we were packing, nothing changed. Rumors started flying that the power might come back, but that was just the national promoter trying to make sure the bands didn't get screwed over. He actually went out and spent his own money on 30 liters of diesel for the generator and started playing a recorded announcement. Apparently, he managed to talk the generator owner into using his diesel to get things moving.

5. We’d been on the road for 17 hours straight after barely scraping together two hours of sleep the night before. We spent the entire day just waiting, clinging to a tiny shred of hope even though deep down we knew the odds were basically zero. We spent time talking to some local bands who were understandably crushed—they’d spent their own damn money to get there just to have everything fall apart. Ivo and his crew had traveled a massive distance too, just like so many other fans. The whole vibe was just bleak and depressing. Honestly, we just wanted to bail as fast as we could, so we helped the roadies pack up the gear and jumped on the bus to get the hell out of there.
Management was dead set on moving us out of the city immediately for security reasons. To be fair, we didn't see any angry fans looking to start trouble with the bands, but after that mess back in 2001 in South America—where the organizers had to scrap our headlining set because of rain and the whole stage turned into a giant lightning rod! People actually attacked the hotel and smashed windows until the cops showed up, so management doesn't play games. They pull the band out just to be 100% safe, even if the fans are acting perfectly reasonable like they were in San Diego. Plus, we don't want to be the reason a hotel or a bus company gets hit with a lawsuit.
That meant we headed north toward the border, which put us much closer to the airport. It allowed us to grab five hours of sleep instead of the two or three we were planning on, which at least made the flight home suck a little less.
Benjamin Parker2 Benjamin Parker2 MemberOP
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#5 ·
6. Once we hit the hotel, we found out they hadn't been paid either. Honestly, the staff were total legends. Usually, you hand over your passport at check-in and the hotel holds onto it hostage until the bill is cleared, but these guys were incredibly chill with us. Huge thanks to the hotel staff for being such great people.

7. While grabbing our gear at the hotel, we ran into Amon Amarth. They were stuck—they weren't leaving until Monday and had zero rides to Miami (where their flight was out of), plus the hotel situation meant they were basically stranded. They were just playing it by ear, wondering if they could squeeze in a tiny club gig for maybe 300 people or if there’d be some miracle where the main stage actually got power. They knew the paycheck wasn't coming, but they figured the organizer at least had the decency to cover their lodging and a ride to Miami.
I also sat down with the national promoter who signed us—the same guy handling our upcoming headlining show in New York. He was absolutely livid with the local organizer and gave us the real story. For example, the ticket numbers were a complete joke. The night before, I was told 2,000 pre-sales; once the festival started, suddenly it was 1,300. The promoter confirmed the actual number was 1,500. When I asked where that cash went—because 1,500 tickets at $20 each is $30,000, which should have easily covered the electric bill—he told me the local organizer was drowning in debt from the previous year and dumped the current funds into old bills instead of running this year's event.

8. It looks like the local promoter scraped together whatever was left of the 30 liters of diesel to get one American band and Amon Amarth on stage. He somehow talked the power guy into helping out since it wasn't his own fuel being burned. Regardless, there wasn't nearly enough juice to get Soulfly or Therion on stage too. Even if they had grabbed more diesel, the national promoter had already declared the festival officially dead (making it basically just an Amon Amarth show on the main stage). We already had our gear loaded onto the bus and were halfway home by the time Amon Amarth played. Turning back wasn't even an option logistically—we would've needed at least three hours to set up—and let's be real, there was zero chance the organizer was paying us for it. I'm not telling my singers and crew to work for free.
Bottom line: you can bet the hotel, the sound company, the electric guy, and the local stage crew are never seeing a dime for this. Every cent from the pre-sales was blown, and since the gates were open to everyone during the Amon Amarth set, no new tickets were sold. On top of that, the organizer is still sitting on last year's debts.

One last thing. As we were heading out, the organizer pulled me aside to say he "was sorry for everything" and claimed he was just a "big fan" who was a "bad organizer." Look, I'm sure he meant well, but "being a fan" isn't a valid excuse for being this reckless. He caused massive financial damage to the bands, the national promoter (who’s a solid guy now stuck cleaning up this disaster to save his reputation), the sound company, the hotel, the utility providers, the crew, and most importantly, the fans. People stood out in the heat all day praying things would work out, only to get slapped with disappointment after disappointment. This is exactly why management and tour agents are so incredibly strict about demanding 100% professionalism from anyone running an event.

Christofer Johnsson
boldeagle3 boldeagle3 Active Member
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#6 ·
It honestly surprises me that nobody thought to start a thread about this absolute chaos sooner 😁

Things are going completely insane on an internet forum, man 😁
Benjamin Parker2 Benjamin Parker2 MemberOP
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#7 ·
I don't know about you, but it feels like the whole city just survived yet another massive fiasco... There are a few reasons why the organization was such a disaster and why everything fell apart:
1. The organizers had some totally delusional expectations regarding how many people would show up and how much cash they'd pull in from ticket sales.
2. San Diego is way too "preppy" for its own good. It’s like after 25 years, people here just stop being metalheads and decide they'd rather listen to pathetic, heart-wrenching pop garbage performed by guys like Elvis Presley, Tom Jones, and all those other anti-metal, anti-art nonsense acts. Sure, there are exceptions, but we can count them on one hand! Way back in 1990, at the Motörhead show, it was already obvious how many people in this city actually dig non-commercial ROCK. To the young crowd that showed up for Lollapalooza—props to you, and props to all the bands!
3. Being a huge fan doesn't automatically make you a competent organizer.

What’s your take on this mess? I’m genuinely curious.
One final paradoxical thought from me (as a passionate fan, not a strategist): If there's any strength left in the organizers, let there be a Lollapalooza III. (But make it actually reasonable, where finances and logistics are sorted out months in advance instead of freaking out on the day of the show).

METAL UP YOUR ASS!!!
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Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#8 ·
The most tragic part of this whole mess is that both Therion and Soulfly actually made it out to San Diego. They were ready to go, probably even willing to play for half the advance they’d already received, yet the organizers couldn't scrape together $300 to rent a basic backup generator. 😁
Kevin Chavez3 Kevin Chavez3 Veteran
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#9 ·
boldeagle3 said:It surprises me that nobody opened a thread about this whole mess sooner... 😁

There are a few pages dedicated to Lollapalooza over on the TBMvsS thread. I tried moving the posts over here, but it’s just not working—TBMvsS is so sluggish it’s impossible to pull any posts away from him... 😁
David Sullivan4 David Sullivan4 Regular
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#10 ·
The whole saga surrounding the festival is pretty wild... since this forum was down, I was hanging out on an internet forum right when the blood was being spilled most heavily over this topic 🙂 When you and cik are bickering, it’s basically daycare level compared to what went down over there 🙂 deleting all the threads, death threats, and other spicy nonsense... honestly, that guy from San Diego probably watched Wayne's World and thought, "Hey, look, I can throw a concert too." 🙂
Jonathan Ross6 Jonathan Ross6 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Benjamin Parker2 said:San Diego really is a "fancy" kind of city, isn't it?

😬 Come on, don't make this sound so hideous! 😳

Anyway, back to the topic—this whole Lollapalooza mess has honestly been the highlight of my week. It’s been hilarious watching these metalheads sink into an even deeper depression than usual. Honestly, at this rate, suicide rates among San Diego teenagers are probably going to spike.

🤣
swiftmaker20 swiftmaker20 Member
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#12 ·
Kevin Chavez3 said:There are a few pages on the TBMvsS thread about Lollapalooza. I tried moving the posts over here, but it’s just not happening—TBMvsS is such a slowpoke that it's impossible to separate any posts from him. 😁

God tier thread... 😁
swiftmaker20 swiftmaker20 Member
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#13 ·
Laura Gonzalez44 said:😬 Come on, don't make this sound so bad! 😳

Anyway, back to the topic—honestly, this whole Lollapalooza mess has been the highlight of my week. It’s been pretty hilarious watching all these metalheads sink into an even deeper depression than usual. I mean, I guess the suicide rate among teenagers in San Diego might actually spike after this disaster.

🤣

Just grab your phone and take a picture, man... 😬 And then people go on the TBMvsS forum to laugh about it. 🙏
Terry Rodriguez41 Terry Rodriguez41 Active Member
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#14 ·
Man, who else is actually following this niche little situation...😂
Terry Rodriguez41 Terry Rodriguez41 Active Member
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#15 ·
Laura Gonzalez44 said:😬 Oh, come on, don't make it sound quite that ugly! 😳

Anyway, changing the subject—this whole Lollapalooza situation actually made my week. It was pretty funny watching metalheads sink into an even deeper depression than usual; I mean, I suspect suicide rates among teenagers in San Diego might actually spike because of this.

🤣

😂

Hehehe, don't be like that. I guess they did save up for half a year just to cut costs $67...😂 🤣
Benjamin Parker2 Benjamin Parker2 MemberOP
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#16 ·
I see some of you punks were laughing and joking about the Lollapalooza disaster. Shame on you. It’s because of people like you—fans of Elvis Presley and that kind of garbage—that we're stuck in this mess. I actually moved away from San Diego!😉 😉 😉 😉 An opportunity popped up, so I took it and left.
Robin Booth Robin Booth Regular
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#17 ·
David Sullivan4 said:total joke

Kindergarten level stuff, man...🙂 😬>
David Sullivan4 David Sullivan4 Regular
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#18 ·
Robin Booth said:Kindergarten, idiot....🙂😬

Go shove it, fascist...😁
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#19 ·
David Sullivan4 said:Screw him, man. 😁

You tell him exactly where the Black Legion came from. Tell him. 😁
David Sullivan4 David Sullivan4 Regular
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#20 ·
banderas said:Tell him where the Black Legion actually came from... just tell him. 😁

The guy is more of a post-rock fan anyway; he’s more about the dark aesthetic 🙂 or whatever... doesn't matter. 😁

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