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Participants mistybear87Ashley Cook64Donna Nelson23Betty Murphystormyviper11Charles Martin78
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#1 ·
C++ Code:
 [CODE][COLOR=#000000] [COLOR=#0000BB]Total laps completed [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]- [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]drivers 
Including Spain, a total of 298 laps have been driven[/COLOR]. [COLOR=#007700] 
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Driver Team Laps [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]Driven 
drive Alonso Renault 298 100[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Trulli Toyota Toyota 298 100[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Schumacher Toyota Toyota 297 99.66[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Coulthard Red Bull Red Bull 295 98.99[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Massa Sauber Sauber 292 97.99[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Monteiro Jordan Jordan 286 95.97[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Webber WilliamsF1 WilliamsF1 278 93.29[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Heidfeld WilliamsF1 WilliamsF1 250 83.89[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Villeneuve Sauber Sauber 249 83.56[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Barrichello Ferrari Ferrari 245 82.21[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Raikkonen Mclaren McLaren 245 82.21[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Karthikeyan Jordan 235 78.86[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]M Schumacher Ferrari 218 73.15[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Fisichella Renault 168 56.38[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Albers Minardi 160 53.69[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Friesacher Minardi 128 42.95[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Button BAR 166 71.55[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Montoya McLaren 178 99.44[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Sato BAR 144 81.82[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Klien Red Bull 113 66.47[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Liuzzi Red Bull 71 55.47[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Wurz McLaren 62 100[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]de la Rosa McLaren 57 100[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Davidson BAR 2 3.51[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][/COLOR]
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PS: Please excuse the messy appearance of this post; I couldn't quite get the columns to line up properly.
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#2 ·
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 [CODE][COLOR=#000000] [COLOR=#0000BB]Total laps completed [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]- [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]teams 

Including Spain, a total of 596 laps were driven [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]298 times by 2 cars[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]). 

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[COLOR=#0000BB]Team Laps [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]Driven 

Toyota 595 99.83[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]McLaren 542 90.94[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Sauber 541 90.77[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]WilliamsF1 528 88.59[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Jordan 521 87.42[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Bull 479 80.37[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Renault 466 78.19[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Ferrari 463 77.68[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Minardi 288 48.32[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]BAR 312 67.24[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][/COLOR]
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mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#3 ·
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 [CODE][COLOR=#000000] [COLOR=#0000BB]Car Reliability 

Team Starts Finished [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]In Points [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% 
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Toyota 10 10 100[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]7 70[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]McLaren 10 9 90[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]8 80[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Jordan 10 9 90[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]0 [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]- [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Bull 10 8 80[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]7 70[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Sauber 10 8 80[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]2 20[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Renault 10 7 70[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]7 70[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Webber WilliamsF1 10 7 70[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]6 60[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Ferrari 10 5 50[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]3 30[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Minardi 10 4 40[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]0 [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]- [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]BAR 8 2 25[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]% [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]0 [/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]- [/COLOR][/COLOR]
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Ashley Cook64 Ashley Cook64 Active Member
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#4 ·
We’re doing pretty great 😬—honestly, only Minardi can even come close to our level 😬
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#5 ·
Michael Schumacher overtook the following drivers:

10 Juan Pablo Montoya
7 David Coulthard
6 Rubens Barrichello
4 Damon Hill
3 Mika Häkkinen, Eddie Irvine
2 Giancarlo Fisichella, Ralf Schumacher
1 Jean Alesi, Fernando Alonso, Gerhard Berger, Jenson Button, Olivier Panis, Kimi Räikkönen, Jacques Villeneuve

And here is the breakdown of those who fell victim to JP Morgan:

10 Michael Schumacher
7 Jarno Trulli
6 Nick Heidfeld, Kimi Räikkönen, Ralf Schumacher
5 Jenson Button, Mark Webber
4 Rubens Barrichello, Olivier Panis
3 Giancarlo Fisichella, Felipe Massa
2 Fernando Alonso, Zsolt Baumgartner, David Coulthard, Mika Salo
1 Gianmario Bruni, Cristiano, Pedro de la Rosa, Ralph Firman, Eddie Irvine, Christian Klien, Allan McNish, Antonio Pizzonia, Takuma Sato,
Jos Verstappen, Jacques Villeneuve, Alex Yoong

Total: 79

I suppose that explains why the Ferrari fans harbor such intense resentment toward him, doesn't it?

It would be quite fascinating, wouldn't it, to see how many times they actually collided with one another? 😁
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#6 ·
Where on earth are you pulling these stats from?

It wouldn't be right if you were just counting how many people passed Mihajl on your own, would it?
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#7 ·
Kevin Long20 said:Where on earth are you pulling those stats from?

There's no way you sat there counting every single overtake on Mihajl by yourself, right?

No, I've been pulling them from various news groups—both local and international. It's likely someone just downloaded them from the old forums.😉
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#8 ·
Python:
 [CODE][COLOR=#000000] [COLOR=#0000BB]Motor Tip No[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]. [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]2R km[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]. [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]Avg[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]. 
================================================= [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#0000BB]Mercedes-Benz Ferrari F1 car 6 6 5927 987.8 
Petronas 05A 8 5 6955 869.4 
Toyota RVX[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]05 16 11 13778 861.1 
Cosworth TJ2005 10 8 8393 839.3 
Renault RS25 7 5 5747 821.0 
BMW P84[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]/[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]5 8 5 5848 731.0 
Ferrari 053 3 2 2008 669.3 
Ferrari 055 6 4 3651 608.5 
Honda RA005E 9 0 3871 430.1 
Cosworth CR[/COLOR][COLOR=#007700]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000BB]3L 7 2 2985 426.4 [/COLOR][/COLOR]
[/CODE]

No. - number of units used (assuming all are new and haven't been used before)
2R - number of units that survived 2 races
km. - total kilometers covered in practice, qualifying, and races
Avg. - average kilometers per unit
Betty Murphy Betty Murphy Active Member
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#9 ·
I honestly can't believe Mercedes-Benz is sitting in first place when it comes to engine performance! It's pretty incredible.😁
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#10 ·
lol, honestly, they really need to get started at least once 🙂
stormyviper11 stormyviper11 Active Member
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#11 ·
mistybear87 said:Michael Schumacher overtook these drivers:

10 Juan Pablo Montoya
7 David Coulthard
6 Rubens Barrichello
4 Damon Hill
3 Mika Häkkinen, Eddie Irvine
2 Giancarlo Fisichella, Ralf Schumacher
1 Jean Alesi, Fernando Alonso, Gerhard Berger, Jenson Button, Olivier Panis, Kimi Räikkönen, Jacques Villeneuve

Look, I don't care where you pulled those stats from, they aren't right—or at least they're definitely not complete. I mean, pretty much everyone remembers, or has at least heard about, that first lap at Indianapolis 1993, where MS was one of the guys caught in Ayrton Senna's wake. And yet, Senna isn't even on this list... Not that I'm going out of my way to fact-check the whole thing, but it just goes to show this list was put together pretty sloppily...
Charles Martin78 Charles Martin78 Active Member
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#12 ·
stormyviper11 said:I really have to wonder where you're pulling these numbers from, because they just aren't right—or at the very least, they feel incomplete. I think most of us can vividly recall, or have certainly heard the legends of, that opening lap at Indianapolis 1993, where MS was actually one of the drivers being overtaken by Ayrton Senna. Yet, strangely enough, Senna isn't even on this list... Without me going out of my way to hunt down more data, it just seems to suggest the whole list was put together somewhat haphazardly...

My own hunch is that the first lap doesn't actually get counted toward the overtaking stats (unless I'm mistaken), and if we were to include those, the total for Juan Pablo Montoya would probably sit closer to 14 or 15.
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#13 ·
stormyviper11 said:Where on earth are you getting these numbers? They aren't accurate—or at least, they certainly aren't complete. I think we all remember, or have at least heard the stories about, that opening lap at Indianapolis 1993, where MS was one of the drivers Ayrton Senna overtook. Yet, Senna isn't even on this list... Without wanting to go out of my way to dig deeper, it just goes to show that this list was put together quite sloppily...

If I recall correctly, this list only covers the last 10 years. In that case, Charles Martin78 probably has a point regarding that first lap. If we look at Juan Pablo Montoya at Monaco, he overtook four drivers on the very first lap (and another one later in the race), so by these specific statistical standards, he’d basically be the undisputed king of overtaking in Monaco. 😉
Betty Murphy Betty Murphy Active Member
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#14 ·
mistybear87 said:Juan Pablo Montoya overtook four drivers during the first lap in Monaco (and then one more later on)

Wait, who exactly did he actually pass out there on the track?!
mistybear87 mistybear87 RegularOP
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#15 ·
Here is a draft of the text (I'll give it a proper polish once I find some free time 😉)
Statistics compiled by Brian Lawrence

This analysis was mainly derived from the official FIA lap chart, which can typically be found at www.fia.com, www.forix.com or www.autosport-atlas.com on race day or shortly after. Please note that the original chart is the copyright of the FIA. There are plenty of other fantastic Formula One websites out there, but keep in mind this specific analysis is entirely unofficial.

To keep things consistent for this study, I only count what I usually refer to as "genuine" passing maneuvers. This means I make sure to exclude:

a) any position changes that happen during pit stops
b) instances of lapping or unlapping vehicles
c) anything occurring during the very first lap

Just a small note: a pass isn't actually added to these statistics UNLESS the driver manages to hold onto that gained position until they cross the start/finish line again and it gets officially noted on the lap chart.

These are the passes that I read for the 2005 Monaco GP:

Lap Place Passer (Passed)
==========================================
3 16 Ralf Schumacher (Monteiro)
4 15 Ralf Schumacher (Albers)
8 13 Ralf Schumacher (Friesacher)
23 16 Monteiro (Albers)
56 12 Rubens Barrichello (Vitantonio Liuzzi)
61 7 Juan Pablo Montoya (Felipe Massa)
71 2 Nick Heidfeld (Fernando Alonso)
72 9 Felipe Massa (Giancarlo Fisichella)
74 3 Mark Webber (Fernando Alonso)
78 7 Michael Schumacher (Rubens Barrichello) [team-mates]

That brings us to a total of 10 passes, which is quite a jump from the 5 we saw back in 2004.

Most passes: Ralf Schumacher 3

Now, let's touch upon a few of the more controversial calls—

On lap 63, Felipe Massa slipped from 8th down to 11th, losing ground to Ralf Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello & Michael Schumacher. Usually, when you see a driver lose more than two positions in quick succession, it’s a clear sign that something has gone wrong with the car. For that reason, I've decided to exclude those passes from the count.

Then on lap 64, Giancarlo Fisichella fell from 5th to 10th, overtaken by Juan Pablo Montoya, Ralf Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello, Michael Schumacher & Jarno Trulli. I've applied the same logic here and excluded them.

Similarly, on lap 64, Jarno Trulli dropped from 6th to 9th, being passed by Juan Pablo Montoya & Ralf Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello & Michael Schumacher—so those were excluded for the exact same reason.
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#16 ·
Interesting — does he have his own website?

And does he maintain some kind of "subscriber" leaderboard?
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#17 ·
Google is my best friend -> link

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