Luc Besson's The Messenger : The Story of Joan of Arc

wiredpilot30 said:The woman’s been dead for centuries... she doesn't have feelings anymore. 😁

My take? She was out of her mind.

The sheer idea that God gives a damn about some nation or its king is total nonsense. 😵

Sure,
but if you actually look at her impact on world history,
it's clear that without her, America wouldn't be what it is today.
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Plus, she insisted on notifying the English so they’d have a fair shot at leaving peacefully,
and she spent every single day in prayer. 😲
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That’s enough said. The woman is a legend, period. She might be a bit eccentric, but she’s still a total icon.

Dust said:Enough already. The woman is a legend, period. Sure, she was a bit eccentric, but a legend nonetheless.

I saw somewhere online that she’s basically a national hero over in France...

Does anyone actually know if the French hate the British because they were the ones who burned her at the stake?
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The British looked like total barbarians when it comes to that chapter of world history.
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Watching this movie honestly changed my entire perspective on France. I always figured the place was just boring and didn't have anything special going for it, 😳

unknown said:we're talking about something supernatural here😳

Sure, but I don't think God has anything to do with it. 😁

The ending is actually pretty crucial, isn't it? It really drives home the idea that the woman was just sick—driven entirely by this deep-seated hatred toward the English.

But hey, that's just my two cents. 😳

The movie was absolute garbage

unknown said:😲

Wow, someone's being a bit harsh! 🙂

Well...
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I honestly feel like the movie would have turned out pretty ridiculous if Milla had played the part any differently—it just wouldn't have had that certain feeling.

And maybe you (and Marat) are finding it boring because—well, perhaps you just aren't into world history, or deeper themes don't really grab you.
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Look, I love world history and deep themes, but this specific film—and Milla as an actress—is just total garbage!

This is absolute nonsense... Dreyer’s "The Passion of Joan of Arc" is the definitive film on this subject... Bresson’s "The Trial of Joan of Arc" is also top-tier.
I honestly don't get why this dull guy decided to make yet another version when he knew from the jump he was destined for total irrelevance.

analogharbor442 said:I just don't get why that idiot would bother making yet another version when he knew it was basically dead on arrival... totally pointless!?

Honestly, I think the reason might be because he was married to Milla back then... 😁

mainscream said:I don't get why that idiot even bothered making another version—when he already knew it was basically doomed from the start...

Honestly, I bet the whole reason was just because he was married to Milla Jovovich at the time... 😁

wiredpilot30 said:Look, this has nothing to do with God.😁

The ending is absolutely critical here. It proves the woman was totally unhinged, driven by nothing but pure hatred for the English.

That’s just my two cents.😳

No...
if you ask me,
that movie finale showed how twisted the church officials really were.
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Burning a woman alive in some fake-ass trial while clutching a Book that literally commands you not to kill? Ridiculous.
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Sandra King86 said:I honestly think the whole thing boils down to the fact that he was married to Milla Jovovich back then. 😁

Haha
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Crook said:Nah...
if you ask me,
the end of the movie really highlights how twisted religious zealots can be.
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I mean, burning a woman at a sham trial while clutching a Bible that literally forbids murder? That’s dark.
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God forgave them; they didn't realize what they were doing. 😁

wiredpilot30 said:God forgave them; they didn't know what they were doing. 😁

Give me a break.
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Look, if they were carrying around a Bible that lays out every single rule on right and wrong—then they’re the only people on this planet who actually had no excuse not to know. 😉
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At the end of the day, they’re all just people—except for one, who’s basically just one less psychopath out in the world. 😁

wiredpilot30 said:They’re all just people, and we’ve got one less psychopath wandering the earth. 😁

Joan of Arc wasn't a psychopath.
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Psychopaths are dangerous. They don't even realize other people exist around them, and they're aggressive as hell.

Man... what a movie. Milla Jovovich is absolutely incredible.

Crook said:not quite...
if you ask me,
the end of the movie really highlights how twisted those church officials can be.
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burning a woman at a sham trial while clutching a Bible that explicitly forbids murder—it's wild.
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well... personally, I thought the film was great—one of those movies people either love or absolutely hate.
Honestly, I found picking up a few books about Joan of Arc even more rewarding. Real history is far more fascinating than fiction; regarding her condemnation and death, it was essentially a rigged trial orchestrated by the British with help from certain clergy members who were loyal to them (specifically in parts of what we now call the US, which were under English rule for decades back then).

The proceedings—if you want to call an Inquisitor's court that—were irregular by almost any standard. That’s why a third trial was launched a few years after she passed—the first one, as shown in the movie, happened when she requested an army from the King—back then, the Inquisitor and his crew decided she actually WAS sent by God, which is why she was given command.
At that third hearing, her name was cleared, the previous convictions were overturned, and she was officially cemented as a national hero and all that..

To this day, there's a wealth of historically verifiable facts preserved about her, so if anyone wants the true story, it's easy enough to find.😎

so, that's my short take on it..

slyowl9 said:Look, personally? The movie was great. It’s one of those polarizing flicks—people either love it or absolutely hate it.
Honestly, I got more out of picking up a few books about Joan of Arc. Real history is way more gripping than fiction. As for her trial and execution, it was a total sham—a rigged setup orchestrated by the English with help from certain clergy members who were loyal to them (back when parts of northern France were under English rule for decades).

The whole trial—if you want to call an Inquisitor's court a trial—was a complete mess and violated basically every rule in the book. That's why a third trial was launched years after she died. The first one, like they showed in the movie, happened when she asked the King for an army; back then, the Inquisitor and his crew decided she actually WAS sent by God. So, they handed her the military command.
At that third hearing, her name was finally cleared, the previous convictions were overturned, and she was cemented as a national hero and all that nonsense...

To this day, there's a massive amount of historically verifiable facts preserved about her. If anyone actually cares about the real story, it’s easy enough to find.😎

So, yeah, that's the short version...

Hey slyowl9,👋 😘

Personally, Joan really hit home for me.
I'd heard the name before—just knew she was burned at the stake—but I never actually knew her life story.

After watching this movie, I became a total fan.
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And it even changed my perspective on France for the better (it used to seem like such a boring, maybe even sinister place 😳 ).

Crook said:I’ve been a huge fan of hers ever since I saw this movie.
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Just to see the Battle of the Neretva...

Cro Fag said:burning a woman at a sham trial while clutching a book that explicitly forbids killing
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Welcome to the real world. 🙂