We'll Always Remember you Kurt Cobain

Douglas Robinson12 said:Things will get much easier once you finally grow up, because Black metal really just feels like teen spirit blooming inside a heart-shaped box.

You're sitting here mourning Kurt Cobain, yet somehow I'm the one who needs to mature?🙄 Riiiight.

Staley passed away on this same date too, just two years ago... I wonder why nobody seems to be paying him any kind of respect...

Douglas Robinson12 said:Black metal is just “ Smells like Teen Spirit ” blossoming inside a heart-shaped box.

I'm with you on this one...

Ethan Perez97 said:Staley passed away on this same day too, right? Just two years ago... why isn't anyone paying him any respect?

Hmm... maybe because... THIS ISN'T THE STALEY POST!!!
..but hey, don't sweat it... there are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
Over & Out..

Ethan Perez97 said:Staley passed away on this same date too, didn't he? Just two years ago... why is it that nobody seems to be paying him any respects?

That’s what I’m wondering, too... I don't feel much for Kurt—never really was a huge nirvana fan—but Chainser? Now that's a different story altogether...

Emperor said:So you're out here crying over Kurt Cobain while I'm supposed to be the one acting all grown up?🙄 Riiiight.

And honestly, who even said I was the one weeping for Cobain?

Give Kurt a shake just to rattle Murta!

Well, I'm a Kurdtov fan myself, and honestly, I find myself paying my respects on Winamp almost every single day...

...but yesterday, I stumbled upon this piece on a music blog:

Rock has never suffered from a lack of tortured, messed-up characters with a penchant for drugs and booze, but Kurt was one of the true titans. For the youth at the dawn of the 1990s, Cobain articulated that paradoxical era—that specific blend of rage and apathy—through both his songwriting and his very existence. He essentially embodied the spirit of the times.

However, despite his unique importance as a sort of mascot for his generation, this wasn't some calculated move. He succeeded precisely because he didn't try to. When he formed Nirvana, he had no intention of becoming the voice of a generation. By releasing the generational anthem “Smells Like Teen Spirit”, he became, quite against his will, a beacon for the youth, reopening society's unhealed wounds through brutally honest, agonizing lyrics born from a sense of hopelessness.

He openly rejected the corporate entertainment machine and stood against the racism, homophobia, and misogyny prevalent in the rock scene of the early 1990s. He shunned mainstream culture, yet without any desire for attention, acting almost lethargically—except within his songs. It was this very reluctance to engage with the public that transformed him into a status symbol for an entire generation.

The person who wrote this really ought to put in some actual effort and master the basics of Cobainism before they start churning out such nonsense... it's completely wrong and just plain stupid. Who has ever actually succeeded without wanting to succeed??? Everything he did was designed to grab attention, even if he made it look like he wasn't trying...

hollowwolf7 said:I'm a fan of Kurt Cobain too.

Kurt Cobain, huh? 😉

To be honest, those lyrics felt pretty spot on, even if they lean a bit too hard into that "romanticized biography" vibe. Look, it’s rare to see someone follow up an album like > with something like >. Then again, who really knows... I wouldn't go so far as to say > was created against Kurt's will, but it seems like he grew disillusioned with the fame almost instantly. Still, the guy was listening to MDC back when he was just a teenager... 😁

Kevin Chavez3 said:Kurt Cobain, huh? 😉

To being said, I actually found that text to be quite accurate, even if it does suffer slightly from that "romanticized biography" style. Look, very few people would record an album like "in Utero" immediately following one like "Nevermind." Then again, who knows... I wouldn't go so far as to say "Teen Spirit" was created against Kurt's will, but it seems to me he grew disillusioned with fame incredibly fast. Still, the guy was listening to MDC back when he was just a teenager... 😁

and now I'm going to choke 😁

nirvana existed for four years prior to Nevermind, and during that window they released Bleach, which moved about 40,000 copies under the production of a small label like Sub Pop ... (damn, that's almost like reaching the level of a mainstream pop star like Taylor Swift 😁 )

In Nevermind, Kurt is singing about his teenage life (back when he wasn't famous... which is why everyone understands and connects with that album) and he's just starting his descent into heroin...
In In Utero, he is his own subject and inspiration (him as a celebrity, reflecting on success, the effects of drugs, and all that... which is why many don't feel that album as deeply because nobody else has ever been in that specific situation)

... but by then, he was already a legend (god, how desperate does that sound? It immediately makes me think of that idiot)... so he could afford to do that... because you can't start singing about yourself the moment you pick up a guitar 😁 ... first you have to do your homework... I mean... you can, but then you're just an idiot... 😂

Look, I know my way around >, which is why I brought up >—that’s how he signed it on that record. You've already read Kevin Chavez3's take on the album. 😁

And when I was talking about the gap between > and >, I was strictly referring to their commercial scale. > is just one hit after another, whereas > is raw, gritty, and unapologetic...

Kevin Chavez3 said:When I was pointing out the gap between "Nevermind" and "in Utero," my focus was entirely on their commercial viability. "Nevermind" is just one massive hit after another, whereas "in Utero" is pure grit and raw aggression...

😁 ...honestly, the stuff I've dug up regarding nirvana ...it's probably better if you don't know😉

But I actually agree with your point: that shift in how people perceive those two records stems from what I mentioned earlier. Sure, "in Utero" is darker, but if you take the time to really listen to the lyrics on "Nevermind," you'll realize those hits are masking a much deeper quality—something almost equally grim, just significantly easier to swallow... so, we're on the same page there.

Sure, but when you’re screaming "here we are now, entertain us," you aren't actually thinking about what Kurt was trying to convey. You're just caught up in how high-energy and hyper-positive it sounds—it's basically the ultimate anthem for jumping around while drunk. 🙂

It’s true, honestly... there are just so many different layers to peel back!

and that's what Great art is all about

So look.. I know it sounds dumb asking... but who actually is Kurt Cobain?😕

Kevin Chavez3 said:Sure, but when you're screaming "here we are now, entertain us," you aren't really dwelling on what Kurt was actually trying to convey; you're just vibing with how incredibly high-energy and hype the line feels—it’s basically the ultimate anthem for jumping around while you're wasted. 🙂

I don't know, man, it doesn't sound positive to me at all; it sounds deeply ironic. It's more like, "Here we are, and here you are, and apparently we're supposed to 'entertain' you," even though that's the last thing they actually want to do. Or maybe they would if there wasn't this massive divide between the "rock stars" and the fans. I think Kobain's whole struggle was rooted in that exact contradiction—that tension between being this raw force fueled by "teen spirit/angst" and then using that same "teen spirit/angst" for things that felt almost ego-driven. The music video totally plays with both those sides—you've got the irony of the "anarchy" vibes with the anti-cheerleader thing, and then that classic move of blurring the lines between the band and the crowd, which is such a staple HC idea about equality between the guys on stage and the people in the pit—something Kobain, being a true (ex)punker at heart, really believed in. By the time you get to in Utero, he takes it even further into pure cynicism (or maybe just heavy sarcasm?): "Teenage angst has paid off well, Now I'm bored and old."

I guess nirvana was never anything special to me, but it really irritates guys like pimpekror who jump into this thread just to spout their nonsense about how Kurt wasn't even good... honestly, morons, screw all those Varg Vikernes types and every other retarded Scandinavian out there

blue cheese and heavy cream said:this Kurt has ceased to be! he's gone to meet his maker!

This Kurt is no more. It has ceased to be—it’s officially expired and gone to meet its maker. We are talking about a very late Kurt here; it's a stiff, really. Bereft of Life , IT rests in peace. Honestly, if you hadn't nailed it to the perch, it would probably still be pushing up the daisies, wouldn't it? But no, the curtain has been drawn and it has joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-Kurt.

Douglas Robinson12 said:To doesn't sound positive to me; it sounds ironic.

It is ironic, sure, but I was talking about how the song actually feels if you just switch off your brain for a second.

Is that above something from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? It rings a bell...