RiRock, 25th Anniversary

Ryan James3 · 2003-12-14T03:58:35+00:00

I’m gonna try to recall the lineup order and just drop a few thoughts here... 1. The winners from the first two nights. Absolute trash. If this is the future o…

hollowseal33 Member

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#21 · Dec 14, 2003

STOP BABBLING!!!!!!!
And once again,
SHUT IT!!!!

When I’m actually sick, I’m going to consult an actual doctor with the intention of getting real help instead of just venting my frustrations on them. And unlike this, they’ll be legally bound by HIPAA after I speak to them—as in, OFFICIALLY!!!

hollowseal33 Member

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#22 · Dec 14, 2003

Hold on, why are you coming at me? You clearly don't have a clue what I'm talking about or what actually happened. Like I said, this wasn't some official diagnosis. It was just an observation from a psychiatrist regarding unknown after he started acting like a total wreck once he realized he was talking to a professional—and that was in a completely casual setting. Look, unknown is close to someone, and I'm sure my calling him an idiot stings. But I haven't met him personally. This is the take of someone who has, someone whose opinion I actually respect and who carries real credibility here.

driftingeagle27 Active Member

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#23 · Dec 14, 2003

So, basically, unknown asked for help, and this person rushed in to slap on a diagnosis—what was it again, "egoistic psychotic"?—but then they just refused to actually treat him, choosing instead to dump that diagnosis on you so you could post it online... Honestly, someone needs to put a warning out there for all the former, current, and future patients of that "reputable" psychiatrist!

hollowseal33 Member

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#24 · Dec 14, 2003

You’re back at it again with the diagnosis talk. That wasn't an official diagnosis, just one person's opinion. Don't you refrain from judging people you haven't treated? If unknown had actually intended to be malicious, this definitely wouldn't be all over the internet. I don't even know who this person's patients are, let alone their diagnoses or specific issues. I am certain I have never heard—and will never hear—anything of that nature from them, especially since they are fully aware of the discretion required in their profession. You have absolutely no reason whatsoever to attack this person's credibility.
It’s obvious you have an issue if it bothers you this much that someone was known to have spoken with a psychiatrist. For some reason, that's become a massive deal for you. And you're right, a potential patient is different from an actual patient, though in this case, they weren't even a potential one. By the way, even if it's irrelevant here, I don't think a patient's name and surname even fall under medical privacy laws.

I should also mention that the encounter happened in a public place, meaning anyone could have overheard it—I could have heard it too if I'd been there. unknown approached the individual because he'd heard through mutual acquaintances what his profession was, and they struck up a conversation. This person didn't even want to pry into what he was saying (even though, again, any passerby could have heard), and simply answered when asked what he thought of him, declining because he wasn't taking new patients at the time. If unknown had been serious about it, he would have given a recommendation, but the guy backed off when the topic of seriousness came up.

Based on what I said, you shouldn't tell yourself you were "calling out obvious stupidity." In my view, the fact that I felt the need to say it only proves how I feel about these things because of that psychiatrist, even though according to all moral "rules," I could have just plastered it on a giant billboard in Times Square.

Frank Howard79 Active Member

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#25 · Dec 14, 2003

Geez, you guys are being such a drag.

hollowseal33 Member

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#26 · Dec 14, 2003

When someone refuses to back down on a topic they clearly know nothing about, I’ll happily accept driftingeagle27 as an authority on music based on his forum posts, but he has absolutely no right to disrespect my family.

Justin Taylor Active Member

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#27 · Dec 14, 2003

hey, maybe driftingeagle27 is actually unknown, which is why he's acting like such a coward toward hollowseal33😁

Kevin Chavez3 Veteran

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#28 · Dec 15, 2003

unknown is the man. We interviewed him once ages ago for a local zine, you know!

What's your take on the American underground scene?
Well, it’s certainly alternative.
Alright, what else can you tell me about it, besides being "alternative"?
It’s good.
Which bands are actually on your radar?
Ugh, I don't feel like listing them all right now; there are hundreds.
Give me at least a few!
Dammit, unknown... unknown... unknown...
But what about the indie bands?
There are a hundred of them. Just write whatever you want.
(unknown walks away, but unknown catches up to him)
What do you think of the Mothers?
The mothers, they're just women... women from fathers, unknown...
Hey, lose the weight, man. What's the point of all this? (gestures toward unknown's stomach)
(confused) It's the beer, unknown...
Man, that shirt is hideous.
(unknown turns and leaves; unknown stops him again)
Wait, just one more question...
Get lost!
Man, your shirt is terrible! And those pants are awful too! And the shoes—the shoes are the absolute worst! unknown, you motherfucker!!!
(unknown doesn't even look back)

😁

like Minutemen - Dreams Are Free, unknown!

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#29 · Dec 15, 2003

Kevin Chavez3 said:I mean, unknown is the man. We interviewed him once a long time ago for a local zine, seriously.

So what’s your take on the American underground scene?
Well, it’s pretty alternative.
Okay, but what else can you say about it besides being "alternative"?
I don't know, it's good.
Which bands are you actually into?
Man, I really don't feel like listing them all right now, there's like five hundred.
Just name a few!
Damn, unknown... unknown... unknown...
But what about actual alternative bands?
There's hundreds of them. Just write anything down.
(unknown walks off, but unknown catches up to him)
What do you think about the Mothers?
Oh, the mothers, they're women from dads... women from fathers, unknown...
Hey, unknown, maybe lose some weight, what's the deal with all this? (pointing at unknown's stomach)
(confused) It's from the beer, unknown...
unknown, that shirt is hideous.
(unknown turns and leaves; unknown stops him again)
unknown, just one more question...
Get lost!
unknown, your shirt is terrible! And those pants are awful! And the shoes, the shoes are the absolute worst! unknown, you motherfucker!!!
(unknown doesn't even look back)

😁

like unknown, unknown!

Are you being serious? If so, then: RESPECT TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😁

Bryan Barrett Member

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#30 · Dec 15, 2003

Maybe he was just being a little too "relaxed" in that moment? 😁 Or maybe it’s just the beer talking. unknown, unknown, don't go mixing things up! 🙂

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#31 · Dec 15, 2003

Frank Sinatra said:Give me a break... the finalists only got 15 minutes on stage... it was pathetic. If this is what Rockstar Games is all about, then those guys should have had the most time since they’re supposed to be the "future of American rock," not some preppy kids and washed-up old fossils.

I’m not even going to get too deep into what happened last night. Frank Harrigan was there, and he sees it my way. First off, we only had 10 minutes. Second, we didn't find out the details of where or how things were happening until 1 PM. Third: WHO ARE THE IDIOTS THAT GOT TO PLAY AFTER US? And who does Damir Urban think he is, claiming Agressive Snail Attack and Athu don't believe in their music or can't play, when he hasn't even listened to a single track from either band? And to say that right in front of us? Heh... I guess being famous gives you a pass. I've met plenty of great people; those guys from Greece were in the dressing room with us, absolute legends. The band Grad also deserves nothing but praise.

If any big shots happen to be reading this—though I doubt it—why don't you take a hike and then try explaining to me what Rockstar Games actually stands for? Is this a competition for demo bands or just some playground for old farts? All the bands are at one venue, and we’re shoved off to another... fuck, like we’re totally irrelevant or something. And what is up with that moron organizer? What the hell is he thinking? Good grief...

As for the show, it was good, but if the whole purpose of the event had actually been achieved, it would have been even better. It was just... "get off the stage because you played for 11 minutes" and stuff like that...

BTW, Agressive Snail Attack should have had over 90 minutes in their set; they've been around for a long time, and honestly, that was their best show yet. We've shared a garage with them for ages, I know them well, and the vibe was friendly the whole time. I'm really happy for them. As for the organizers, a massive 👎 to them, and that's that. We're a new band, and we've got maybe 45 minutes of material ready, if I'm only counting the songs we've actually rehearsed...

Cheers

Jason Rogers Active Member

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#32 · Dec 15, 2003

And what’s the deal with Coca-Cola?

Frank Howard79 Active Member

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#33 · Dec 15, 2003

Jason Rogers said:What about Coca-Cola?

He's probably just sipping a Coca-Cola at some local diner back home 😉

Come on, guys, what did you expect? You knew this whole thing was going to be a total joke...

Anonymous Veteran

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#34 · Dec 15, 2003

I get it, Frank Howard79, I really do. It was pretty stupid to be making all those big promises before the festival even started—especially when someone important to the local scene was out there saying, "Look, we don't want people thinking this is just a celebration of Rockstar Games' anniversary or some showcase for Damria Urbana, Leta 3, Grada, and the rest. We're actually here for the demo bands. That’s the whole point of Rockstar Games..."

But honestly? Everything turned out to be the exact opposite. Still, there's no use crying about it; that's just how it goes sometimes. When you've got a certain level of fame, you feel like you can get away with almost anything. Let's just move on, though. There will be more events, more shows, and plenty more old farts to deal with, but none of that is going to stop us... 🙂

Frank Howard79 Active Member

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#35 · Dec 15, 2003

Hugh 'n' Pepper said:I mean, look, Frank Howard79, I get it. It was pretty silly to be talking about all this before the festival even started. There was this one guy—someone apparently quite important to the local scene here in Chicago—who said, "We don't want people thinking this is just some anniversary celebration for Rockstar Games. We aren't just here for the urban vibes from Damria, Leta 3, the city crew, and the rest... we're actually here for the demo bands. That's what the whole Rockstar Games spirit is really about..."

Hold on, who is this "important" guy you're talking about, Simon?

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#36 · Dec 15, 2003

Hugh 'n' Pepper said:The gore wasn't even the issue. Look, there's no point arguing about it—that's just how it works. Once you've made it big, you can get away with pretty much anything. Whatever. There'll be more shows, more bands, and more old farts, but we aren't letting that stop us... 🙂

Think of it like this: once you finally hit the big time and become one of those old fossils yourself, you'll be the ones bullying the new kids... It's just a cycle! 😉

Harold King54 Member

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#37 · Dec 15, 2003

It was freaking AWESOME!!! 👍

SHORT, but sweet

Kevin Chavez3 Veteran

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#38 · Dec 15, 2003

wyrm said:Are you actually serious? Because if you are... BRAVO TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😁

Of course I'm serious.

np Minutemen - The Big Blast for Youth

Justin Taylor Active Member

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#39 · Dec 15, 2003

Hugh 'n' Pepper said:I’m not even going to get too deep into what happened last night. Frank Harrigan was there, so he knows I’m right. First off, we were only given ten minutes. Second: we didn't find out the details of what, how, or where until 1:00 PM. Third: WHO ARE THE IDIOTS THAT KEPT PLAYING AFTER US? And who does Damir Urban think he is—telling Agressive Snail Attack and Athu that the guys don't believe in their music or can't play when he clearly hasn't listened to a single note from either band? Saying that right in front of us? Heh... I guess being famous gives you permission for that kind of crap. I've met plenty of great people—those guys from Greece were in the dressing room with us, total legends. The band Grad deserves nothing but praise, too.

If any of the big shots happen to be reading this—though I doubt they care—you can shove it. Then maybe tell me: what is AC/DC supposed to be? Is this a competition for demo bands or just some old fossils messing around? All the bands are at one venue, and we're sidelined somewhere else... fuck, like we're some insignificant afterthought. And what about that moron organizer? What the hell is his problem... honestly...

The show itself was good, but it would have been better if the whole point of the event actually worked. It's just... we're being kicked off the stage because we played for 11 minutes, and that's that...

BTW, Agressive Snail Attack should have had over 90 minutes of stage time. They've been around for ages, and in my opinion, that was their best set yet. We've shared a garage with them for a long time—I know them, they're great people, super friendly atmosphere the whole time. I'm really happy for them. As for the organizers, a huge 👎 to them, and that's that. We're a new band; we have maybe 45 minutes of material if I only count the stuff we've actually rehearsed properly...

Cheers

Man... let's just hope things improve next time... anyway, do you guys have more gigs coming up soon???

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#40 · Dec 15, 2003

From the perspective of a woman dealing with a sore neck, back, and every single joint (especially my ankles)...
It was actually great, though mostly because of the crew that squeezed into that tiny old sedan for the few hours of driving to the river, rather than just the show itself. At one point, we were all out drinking behind the local community center (not bragging, the point will come later), because according to old traditions—mostly among the guys—you have to drink, drink, and drink some more for a concert to truly count. Ha-ha-ha.
We stormed into the venue full throttle and dragged ourselves as close to the stage as possible. I honestly have no clue who played or in what order. I didn't care; as long as it was loud and I could headbang away... It was interesting, though, because I spent most of the set stuck in those "mosh pits," simply too drunk to realize people were shoving me around, forgetting my whole "non-violent concert listening" technique. Luckily, there was always a friendly hand nearby to grab me and pull me up off the floor during the intense moments. The highlight, naturally, was Laufer. He was the main reason we even showed up to this festival. Hearing those old songs live was genius; watching Urban scream his heart out... man, it brought it all back. Those years when we used to sneak around corners and talk using nothing but song lyrics—back when everyone was in a band and you were a total legend if you played the worst instrument in the worst garage band... well, Urban, son, may you live long and stay creative. At one point, a head swung right through my legs and suddenly I found myself a meter and a half off the ground... I used to look at those "pit riders" like they were complete idiots (I mean, why bother crashing into people?), but in that moment, I finally understood the thrill. Yeah, yeah, it’s pretty great...
Anyway, we left just as chaotic as we arrived, completely soaked and smelling like a mix of sweat and beer, and (surprise, surprise) we kept the party going. Interestingly, at one point, those little girls from the local daycare almost ran us over while they were pulling out of the parking lot—honestly, who gave them a driver's license?
Then, somewhere between 3 and 5 in the morning, Alen (or maybe Alan?) approaches us. He went from looking like a perfectly nice punk to... well, just a frustrated, racist veteran of the punk scene. He offers us beers, yet wouldn't give us a single cigarette to roll a joint. Terrible. I actually felt bad for him by the end; the guy has been playing for twenty years and claims he didn't even get free beer from the organizers. Such a shame, but at least the man got to vent all that frustration he's been carrying... oh well...

As for us? Nothing much, we watched the sunrise from that same cramped car before hitting the road. I counted 14 bruises on my body, a stiff neck, and the occasional seeing stars... but you can survive anything if you have enough alcohol, right? 😁

RiRock, 25th Anniversary

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