Can't sleep!

Sam Jackson29 · 2003-11-18T01:05:26+00:00

God, this is absolutely brutal 😢 I’ve been struggling for days now. I either can’t fall asleep at all, or I pass out for a couple of hours and then wake up wid…

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#41 · May 21, 2004

Kyle Nelson2 said:Stop talking about it and actually do something—start selling mattresses for just $2,000 and maybe our lives will actually get better...

Look, you can get way more bang for your buck than a mattress for $2,000. But that’s not even the point; the real issue is how much we all underestimate how vital sleep actually is. You can read all about the fallout on forums like this one. It’s honestly heartbreaking that in the US, over 32% of kids struggle with things like rheumatic issues, various allergies, and spinal problems at such a young age—and a huge part of that traces back to poor quality beds and sleeping setups. (That's from an official WHO report regarding Health Day). If money is the concern, we should really consider how much we’re failing to invest in our own health; fixing the damage later is always going to be way more expensive than just practicing prevention now. Besides, when you buy a good bed, you're investing in something you'll use for 6 to 8 hours every single day for over 25 years. It's long been proven that getting better sleep on a setup that doesn't stress your body out can completely change your life.

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#42 · May 25, 2004

I struggled with sleep issues for quite some time—a significant period, actually. To be honest, I still deal with it occasionally even now. The core issue with insomnia is that it rarely exists in a vacuum; more often than not, it’s just a symptom of a deeper psychological struggle that's eating away at you. That might be the initial trigger, but eventually, it evolves into a vicious cycle. You lie in bed telling yourself you won't be able to fall asleep, and then, predictably, you can't. Before long, you develop a genuine fear of the night itself and an aversion to even attempting to go to bed. .....................And as I previously asserted in my "depression" thread, psychiatrists aren't going to solve this for you. You have to confront the problem head-on and resolve it yourself. I would recommend reading a book titled "The nachin of Setting and Solving Problems"—I can't recall the authors offhand, but I'll look it up and let you know. You should be able to find it on Amazon. It explains roughly how to break that self-defeating loop where you get stuck in a pattern of dysfunction with everything, including sleep.
Sometimes, when I still find myself unable to drift off, I end up passing the time with certain pills or minor sedatives 😁 though I realize that isn't a sustainable long-term solution. .......🙄

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#43 · May 26, 2004

spavanje said:Look, you can get way more bang for your buck than just a mattress for $2,000. But that’s not even the point—the real issue is how little we actually grasp how vital sleep is. You can read all about the fallout on these forums. It’s honestly tragic that in the European Union, over 32% of kids suffer from things like rheumatism, various allergies, or early-onset spinal issues, and it’s largely because of crappy beds and sleeping setups. (That's according to an official WHO report regarding Health Day). And if money is the concern, maybe we should look at how much we fail to invest in our own health; fixing the damage later is always going to be way more expensive than just practicing prevention. Besides, buying a good bed is an investment in something we use every single day for 6 to 8 hours—that's over 25 years of your life. Plus, it’s been proven for ages that your whole life changes once you start sleeping in a spot that doesn't stress out your body.

Yeah, I mean, I agree that life changes when you go from being an Insomnia sufferer back to a functioning human being... but...

Do you have like, a URL for those official stats?
I've sat through enough presentations to know that people throw around statistical data that has absolutely zero connection to reality.

That claim that 32% of kids have rheumatism, spine issues, and allergies could technically be true if you lump allergies and spinal problems together, but then you don't actually know if it's 1% of people with spine issues and 31% with allergies, or vice versa.
Those are completely different things.

And everyone knows allergies aren't caused by dust mites, they come from living in these overly sterile environments (but that's totally off-topic).

What I really want to know is what kind of product this actually is, how it works, and why on earth it costs $2,000?

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#44 · May 26, 2004

shadowgardener12 said:God, this is absolutely brutal. 😢

I’ve been suffering through this for days now—either I can’t drift off at all, or I crash for a couple of hours and then wake up wide awake, just like today. Now, I’m actually terrified to even get into bed because I know I won’t fall asleep until dawn, which means I’ll be late for work. So the whole day is spent in a fog, and then I try to nap in the afternoon, only to find sleep is just as elusive.
....

Is your room maybe too warm?

I went through the exact same thing with insomnia during the winter; my room was freezing and kept me tossing and turning, but honestly, it’s just as bad if the room is overheating.

Check your thermostat.

Good luck! 🙂

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#45 · May 26, 2004

Do you have a link to those official stats?
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#46 · May 26, 2004

It’s common knowledge that allergies aren't actually caused by dust mites, but rather by the overly sterile environments we live in nowadays (though I know that's getting off-topic).
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That said, it's also a fact that high humidity and dust mites definitely trigger allergy flare-ups and respiratory issues.

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#47 · May 26, 2004

I'm curious about what this actually is—what kind of product we're talking about, how it works, and why on earth it costs $2,200? [/B]

If you’re genuinely interested, we’d need to set aside about an hour and a half. I can come right to your place to walk you through the specific issues, run some detectors to map out your sleeping area, and then we can dive into potential solutions. Just shoot me an email if you want to chat.

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#48 · May 26, 2004

Go see a licensed massage therapist... let them really work those knots out until you can't even move...

And if it’s a total emergency, some good sex usually does the trick too.

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#49 · May 27, 2004

spavanje said:If you’re actually serious about this, you’ll need to set aside about an hour and a half at your own place. I’ll come by, walk through the issues, use some detectors to measure your sleeping area, and then we can talk about what might actually work. Just shoot me an email.

No, look, what I want is to know right now, just so everyone here gets at least a little insight into what's being offered. Especially since I've actually seen how this works firsthand, so I have a specific take on it (not necessarily good or bad, though).

So, what's the name of the product or the company?

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#50 · May 27, 2004

Kyle Nelson2 said:Actually, I’m just trying to get some clarity here so everyone gets a better idea of what we're actually looking at. Since I've had a chance to see it firsthand, I definitely have a specific take on it—not necessarily good or bad, just my perspective. So, what’s the name of this product or company?

Check out the thread about "power lines and substations" and give all the posts a thorough read.

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#51 · May 27, 2004

Dammit, I'm heading to bed. This shiatsu massage is wrecking me... been feeling wiped out for three months straight. Boom.

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#52 · May 28, 2004

spavanje said:Go check out the thread on "power lines and substations" and actually read through everything.

Fine... I read it, but now I have a question...

What kind of certifications do you guys actually hold?
I mean, anyone can claim their product is the best... but let's see some actual paperwork...

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#53 · May 30, 2004

Kyle Nelson2 said:Alright... I've read through this, but now I'm curious about something...

What kind of certifications do you all actually hold?
I mean, anyone can claim their product is the best... but let's see some actual documentation...

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#54 · May 30, 2004

shadowgardener12 said:God, this is just brutal 😢

I’ve been struggling for days now—either I can't drift off at all, or I pass out for maybe two hours before I'm wide awake again, kind of like what happened today. Now I’m actually terrified of even getting into bed because I know I won't crash until sunrise and then I'll be late for work. So I spend the whole day feeling like a zombie, try to nap in the afternoon, and then—surprise, surprise—I can't sleep then either.
I mean, okay, one night I had a few too many drinks, and honestly? That actually helped. 😁
But obviously, I can't exactly get hammered every single night. 🙂
At this point, I’m thinking about just stopping sleeping entirely to see who wins this little standoff: my insomnia or me. 🙂
I have no clue what's going on with me. What is happening???

Anyway, now that I've finished my little venting session, I am wide open to any constructive suggestions on how to finally sleep like a baby again.
Thanks a million in advance! 🙂

hehe, you just reminded me of that thing, Insomnia... I can't sleep...

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#55 · May 30, 2004

well, clearly you need your beauty sleep, huh!? 😉

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#56 · Jun 1, 2004

Taroth said:Alright... I've read through this, but now I have a question...

What kind of certifications are we actually talking about here?
I mean, anyone can claim their product is the best under the sun... but let's see some actual credentials on paper.

We took home gold at the '94 Brussels Eureka expo, followed by both gold and silver from Innova in '96, gold from ExxonMobil in '00, and silver from Geneva in '03, plus more silver from Nautica in '03. Beyond those innovation awards, our products underwent functional testing at the Mayo Clinic, and if you happened to stop by the Medicine and Tech expo last week, you could have seen the testing performed by Harvard University. We have plenty of other quality control documentation too. But honestly? The most valuable thing is the firsthand feedback from the people who actually use our programs and share their real experiences.

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#57 · Jun 1, 2004

Jamie Clark74 said:PSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

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Great post, cheers!

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#58 · Jun 1, 2004

spavanje said:They won gold at Eureka in '94, then gold and silver from Innova in '96, followed by gold from ExxonMobil in '00, and silver from both Geneva and Nautica in '03. Besides those innovation fair awards, you've got functional testing from the Mayo Clinic, and if you happened to be at the Medicine and Tech expo last week, you could have seen the testing done by the American Academy of Pediatrics. There are other quality control papers out there too. But honestly, I think the most valuable thing is just hearing from actual people using the stuff and reading their personal takes.

I tried looking up those institutes' websites, and here’s what I found:
- I can't even get the www.bion.si site to load, so I can't say anything about them.
- The American Academy of Pediatrics is an association, not a research institute, so they wouldn't really be doing any kind of official scientific testing anyway. From what I can gather, it seems like if you're a therapist, you can basically just pay to get a stamp saying you're a member, $0.40, and I have no clue if that actually serves any purpose beyond just promotion and stuff. I won't go so far as to say they aren't serious, but I can't say they seem serious either.

Trade shows?
Yeah, I know this guy (I think his name is Ergo or something) who patented this tiny magnetized plate you stick on your forehead. Supposedly, the magnetism pulls more oxygen-rich red blood cells to your prefrontal cortex so you can study longer. He won some gold or silver award at Eureka back in the 90s for it.
It all sounds great, but look—I tried the thing, and it simply doesn't work.

So, I guess trade shows let you show off your product, but they don't actually provide scientific validation, at least that's how I see it.

I've actually seen the product you're talking about (or maybe a competitor), and they have an ISO 9001 certification and a patent from WIPO. Now, ISO 9001 doesn't mean the product is actually good; it just means the manufacturing process is strictly documented and defined, and it doesn't even guarantee it was modern at one point. And getting a patent isn't exactly a hurdle to clear.

But anyway, do you guys have any certifications from actual places like Rutger Bošković, Max Planck, CERN, or something similar?

Even if you don't, I'm curious about a few things:
- Can the product actually be sent out for testing? Because, I mean, if I'm going to drop $2,000, I want to try it first instead of buying a pig in a poke. I'd be willing to pay a deposit or something to make that happen.

- And why $2,000? Does that cover production, R&D, distribution, or what? To me, it feels like the price is set based on the logic of "how much is your health worth to you?"...

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#59 · Jun 1, 2004

Kyle Nelson2 said:I tried checking out those institute websites, but here's the deal:
- I can't even get the www.mayoclinic.org page to load, so I've got nothing to report on them.

Take a look at this:

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#60 · Jun 1, 2004

Kyle Nelson2 said:Science fairs?
Yeah, I know a guy (I think his name was Ergo or something) who patented this tiny magnetized disc you stick on your forehead. The idea was that the magnetism pulls oxygen-rich red blood cells toward your prefrontal cortex so you can study longer. He actually picked up a gold or silver award at a Eureka fair back in the 90s for it.
That all sounds great on paper, but I’ve tried it myself, and honestly, it just doesn't work.

So, my take is that science fairs are good for showing off ideas, but they aren't exactly a way to scientifically validate if something actually functions.

I’ve seen the product you’re talking about (or maybe a competitor), and they carry an ISO 9001 certification and a patent from WIPO. But look, ISO 9001 doesn't mean the product actually works; it just means their manufacturing process is strictly documented and consistent—it doesn't even guarantee the tech isn't outdated. And getting a patent? That's not exactly a hurdle to clear.

The real question is: do you have any validation from actual research institutions like Rutger Bošković, Max Planck, CERN, or something similar?

Even if you don't, I still need to know:
- Is there any way to get the product for testing? If I’m going to drop $2,000, I want to try it out first rather than buying a pig in a poke. I'd be willing to pay a deposit or a fee just for a trial run.

- And why $2,000? Does that cover production, R&D, distribution, or what? To me, it feels like the price is set based on the logic of "how much is your health worth to you."

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