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Sean Doyle97 Sean Doyle97 Active Member
72 messages
joined Dec 2011
#21 ·
Looks like there are still some of us here who dig this band, so let's go—hope I'm not repeating an old thread.

I’ve been spinning them since the eighties when some guy who served in the military taped a live set for me. Honestly, this band is one of the most important ever; they might be underground, but you can hear their influence all over modern music. They were pioneers of the Hardcore sound, and easily the rawest, toughest of the early American scene. Once Greg Ginn started developing that unique guitar style, they basically laid the groundwork for tons of genres—even modern stuff owes them a huge debt. Plenty of musicians who eventually hit the mainstream rock scene cite them as idols, too. Most importantly, they always sounded like themselves. Great lyrics, too—none of that preaching or moralizing bullshit, just real feelings to the max. That early Hardcore phase is killer, though personally, Damaged isn't as intense for me; feels more like a bridge to my War, which is hands down my favorite. I could write a book about that album, heh, but whatever. I'd also mention Loos Nut—further from those Hardcore roots, sure, but still convincing. Slip It In and In My Head are solid, even if they aren't quite as aggressive, and Family Man might be a bit much for my taste.
If I had to pick one band that pushed that specific playing style as far as Black Flag did, it’s gotta be Bl'ast! Also out of eighties California, staying true to the Greg Ginn school of thought, but strictly for people who actually appreciate that unique, standalone style. To me, the Henry Rollins Band wasn't that heavy—Greg kept playing his way, obviously, but that magic Black Flag had for those in the know? Unrepeatable.
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George Hill4 George Hill4 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2014
#22 ·
I think "Damaged" beats them all. "my War" is just a bit tedious for me. Honestly, "my War" is basically a proto-grunge record. There isn’t a single grunge band out there that doesn't dig it, from Mudhoney to Nirvana and Melvins (though they aren't technically grunge)😁. In my opinion, the strongest lineup for Black Flag would be:

Vocals: Ron Reyes
Guitar: Greg Ginn
Bass: Kira Roessler
Drums: Robo
Sean Doyle97 Sean Doyle97 Active Member
72 messages
joined Dec 2011
#23 ·
Hey, thanks for moving this to the thread—and sorry about that, heh. Look, people call my War "proto-grunge" (like they do with Flipper, etc.), or "proto-math" (Side A), or "proto-sludge" (Side B)... whatever. The point is, none of those genres really hit me the way this album does. To me, my War was where they actually shifted the musical needle, which is why it’s such a massive influence, even if nothing else sounds remotely like it. But hey, that was my first exposure to them, so it stuck. Obviously, no two people hear a band the same way 😉. It’s also interesting how Rorschach, building on that Black Flag legacy from the nineties, crafted a tighter, darker HC sound and slowly worked metal into it—which basically paved the way for Converge. That’s where the modern HC and metalcore sound starts, which isn't really my thing, but I just want to emphasize how insanely influential and powerful this record is. Everyone interprets it differently. They were even buddies with Saint Vitus, who lean more toward traditional doom, which tracks with where that heavy sound started. Personally, I find Damaged a bit tedious, but I respect it because it was vital for the band's evolution. BTW, that 1982 demo is killer—just discovered it recently thanks to the internet. It didn't drop back then due to some label issues, so it's like this lost link between Damaged and their later stuff. It's got two guitars on there... anyway, Black Flag isn't for everyone, and not every era is for everyone.
Sean Doyle97 Sean Doyle97 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#24 ·
btw, I feel like Die Kreuzen sounds most like proto-grunge right after that killer self-titled album—anything they did after that just wasn't really my vibe.
Betty Cruz2 Betty Cruz2 Member
21 messages
joined Nov 2010
#25 ·
Black Flag is arguably the most influential Hardcore punk band ever. They’re right here with Ron Reyes:
BLACK FLAG (DEPRESSION) LIVE
Keep in mind that before Reyes took over vocals, the lineup featured Keith Morris, who went on to start the other legendary band, Circle Jerks:
Circle Jerks-Clip From The Decline Of Western Civilization
🙂🙂🙂🙂
That was real pogo😁
Nowadays, things look more like this:
All Girl Mosh Pit🤣

🙂
Taylor Vaughn13 Taylor Vaughn13 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2010
#26 ·
I haven't really dug deep into them, but honestly, the A-side of my War is pretty impressive, even if the B-side is boring as hell. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, though—fingers crossed I finally get it one of these days.
Raymond Bailey6 Raymond Bailey6 Active Member
88 messages
joined Nov 2008
#27 ·
For me, Loos Nut is the best.
Sean Doyle97 Sean Doyle97 Active Member
72 messages
joined Dec 2011
#28 ·
Taylor Vaughn13 said:I haven't spent a ton of time digging into them—to be honest, the A-side of my War is pretty impressive, but the B-side? Boring as hell. Still trying to wrap my head around it, hopefully I'll get it one day.


hehe, personally I think the B-side is the perfect bridge to HC stuff—all that sludge and grit... man, it actually gives me chills when I listen. And "Loos Nut" might just be their best track, hands down.
George Hill4 George Hill4 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2014
#29 ·
By the way, Ginn’s Ampeg Dan Armstrong is easily one of the coolest guitars out there (besides a Flying V 😉). It’s basically his signature look, just like how Angus has his SG or Johnny Ramone had his Mosrite. Absolute classics. Check out how this thing rips here:👍
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5JYzPcqwiM
Taylor Vaughn13 Taylor Vaughn13 Newcomer
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joined Aug 2010
#30 ·
Taylor Vaughn13 said:I haven't really dug deep into them, but man, the A-side of My War is killer. The B-side? Total snooze fest, honestly. Still trying to wrap my head around it all, hopefully it clicks eventually.

Man, things have definitely shifted since this was posted. 🙂

What an absolute beast of an album.

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