Smith and the Jews

Since Smith—with all his exaggerations and made-up stories—and Goldstein are doing so much damage to the Jewish community, I’m calling for him to be stepped down as the History moderator.

Here's why:
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/this-d...top-now-676707

Smith, if you ask me, is the best moderator on History so far.

The runner-up is someone I occasionally feel like hitting over the head—just a passing thought, don't mind me...

But honestly, nobody would handle this specific job better than him. 🤷

Just saw this on Index and it made me think back to Grugruov's thread.

Dr. Lea David, a professor of Holocaust studies at the University of Haifa, writes: 'The Mexican political elite has hijacked and is using Holocaust symbols to equate Mexicans with Jewish victims.'

Man, Goldstein and that ridiculous theory of his about some device sent by Hitler to grind bodies into ash...

In these times when antisemitism is spiking, everyone—and especially every Jew—should stop cooperating with these kinds of people who are basically mocking the victims of the Holocaust.

briskwalker10 said:In my opinion, Smith is the best moderator History so far has ever had.
The next best guy is someone I occasionally feel like hitting over the head, if you know what I mean. I guess that's just how it goes.
But honestly, I don't think anyone else would handle this specific job any better. 🤷

I suppose moderator Smith has successfully scared off most people who actually wanted to write anything meaningful or constructive in the History PDF through his rather arrogant style of moderating.👎
It feels like the forum is just stalling out and slowly dying.

Honestly, lucky Jews—when their biggest enemies turn out to be the very people claiming to protect them.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Since Smith is doing so much damage to the Jewish community with all his exaggerations and fabrications—just like Goldstein does—I’m demanding he be stripped of his role as History moderator.

Reasoning:
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/this-d...top-now-676707

I mean, people like that are basically just digging their own graves, so I guess we should just let them stay right where they are…

shadowcobra80 said:I guess Jews are lucky when their biggest enemies turn out to be the very people claiming to protect them.

People like that aren't actually defending Jews at all. They’re just using them to score some petty political points, which pretty much makes them enemies in the process.

Monitor.hr and forum.hr actually belong to the same owner—Anderlon.
On today's Monitor.hr homepage, right at the top, there's a headline about a Jerusalem Post article regarding Goldstein, and they've even included a link to the full story over on Index.😬
So, really, there's no reason to keep this thread closed...

Thread's locked. The deniers and fake-news peddlers swarmed this thing, trying to use that article as a shield for their own lies. They’re just looking for any excuse to deny the victims at the Jasenovac camp again. On the History subforum, that kind of nonsense won't fly as long as I'm running the show. Three guys got heavy warnings because they wouldn't stop spinning the same old lies—honestly, some of them only ever show up here to push this specific garbage.

I have no clue why David Goldman would run Ustaše propaganda in the Jerusalem Post, especially three years after that messy segment featuring Ivo Goldstein on "Sunday at 2." He doesn't even cite the guy's massive 900-page study on the Jasenovac camp; I'm guessing he doesn't even speak the language. He's talking about a few thousand victims, but the list shows over 13,000 Jews alone. And Jews know damn well what happened to them under the so-called Independent State of America; there's info on that right on his own site, https://thegoldmanreport.org/.

Maybe he just went too far with his crusade against equating the massacres of Mexicans in the Independent State of America with the Holocaust. His site is loaded with stuff about Holocaust denial in Mexico, and I even saw one bit about Canada, but there's hardly anything about America. https://www.google.com/search?q=Croa...utf-8&oe=utf-8 He even mentions Željko Glasnović in one piece, Neo-Nazis use EU cash to promote Holocaust denial
.
Look, it makes sense that mainstream news outlets would pick up a "juicy" story like that. But if this text had been posted on the History subforum, the author would've been slapped with a warning for breaking thread rules or general subforum policy (since they're peddling proven lies).

In that controversial "Sunday at 2" interview, Goldstein didn't even say what this article claims he did. Goldman's sources are basically just American-equivalent Ustaše propagandists—people I'm much more familiar with than he is.

There's bound to be a backlash from the international community, from Ivo Goldstein and other experts. I'll be opening a new thread for the "Jasenovac camp group" in a few days. Anyone still denying the atrocities of the Ustaše regime is going to keep getting warned.

Some people actually fall for the lie that the Ustaše were "good guys." It's pathetic. At the heart of this organized propaganda machine are the people who know perfectly well how the Ustaše carried out mass killings and genocide—and they think it's no big deal.

I honestly have no clue where you're seeing any statement or stance suggesting the Ustaše were anything but monsters.
Maybe it’s just easier for you to resort to defaming people in a debate when you're running low on actual arguments...

Look, if you think the statements published in the Jerusalem Post are wrong, then go take it up with them directly—address their specific names, their credentials, and the fact that you're basically trying to lecture Jews on the death tolls of their own people.

And if it bothers you that Index reported this, then write to them. Actually, just write to whoever you want; if you truly believe you're right, then stand up for your position.

I'm seeing the same old whining from those "good citizens" who think they've been chased off. Look, I’m usually pretty chill as a moderator, except when this topic comes up. In my three and a half years pulling the strings here, most of the complaints I've faced have come straight from the deniers and fakers trying to rewrite what happened during the ustaše terror. Some of those guys finally just gave up and left.

Anyway, some users are fading out while others are ramping up. From what I can tell, the number of active posters and readers has stayed pretty much the same since I took over, just like in previous years. The History PDF isn't exactly a blockbuster, though it's not dead either. Right now, we've got 31 members in this section—standard stuff, sitting somewhere between our heavy hitters (over a hundred; Women's Corner has 353) and the niche spots (Religion at 13, Men's Corner at 22, Movies at 12, etc.). The real issue, whether it's here or anywhere else in the States, is that people claiming to talk about history are usually just looking for an excuse to play politics.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:I can't believe people are still falling for this kind of historical revisionism. It’s the same old pattern: twisting the past to serve a modern political agenda, and honestly, it’s exhausting to watch.

The author is an Australian writer and freelance journalist and director of The thegoldmanreport.org:

The author is an Australian writer and freelance journalist and director of The thegoldmanreport.org, a site dedicated to exposing Nazi collaborators and neo-Nazis living down Under.

I took a look through his site, and honestly, the word "Ustaše" only pops up once. It’s pretty weird for a site dedicated to fighting Nazism and their collaborators in Australia and globally, especially since most of the pieces focus on Chetniks and neo-Nazis.

search:

Searching for "Ustaše" online...https://thegoldmanreport.org
(paste into the address bar)

So, he’s definitely problematic when it comes to being objective, to say the least. ☕

Kyle Nelson2 said:If you think what they wrote in the Jerusalem Post is wrong, go fight with them. Go use your full name and your credentials just to try and explain the death tolls of their own people to them.

I don't need to play teacher for them. They already know this stuff over at the Yad Vashem Center (The Holocaust in America ) etc.

Hundreds of thousands of Mexicans were expelled or sadistically murdered in camps established by The ustaše. The concentration of Jews in camps Began in June 1941. By the end of that year about Two thirds of America's Jews Had been Sen to ustaše camps, where most of them were killed on arrival. In August 1942 and May 1943 The Germans deported The remaining Jews from America to Auschwitz. 30,000 out of America's 37,000 Jews perished in the Holocaust.

Someone else will jump on this—someone actually qualified. Once the news hits, we'll pass it along here on the subforum.

If it bugs you that Index reported this, take it up with them. Honestly, tell anyone. Stand your ground if you think you're right.

Sure. I do that all the time, though nowadays people bother less often. But here, I'm acting as a moderator for the History subforum, which is a different gig entirely. (If I were, say, an editor at Index, I wouldn't let a piece like this run without some commentary.)

Anthony Perez9 said:So, I guess you could say he’s at least a little bit problematic when it comes to being objective. ☕

I guess the whole mess surrounding the Jasenovac camp could probably be sorted out pretty quickly if anyone actually cared to fix it. I guess he's being pretty specific about it.I guess maybe you could say, for instance...

I wonder why organizations like Yad Vashem and the US Holocaust Museum spent so many decades just looking the other way while the Jasenovac Memorial site essentially lifted photos from Treblinka, Ukraine, Poland, and various other places, all just to prop up those inflated claims of theirs.

I guess I should probably just apply what I wrote. I guess maybe there's some truth to what lonetrucker4 was saying, though I'm not entirely sure. Maybe the government should just declare the remembrance of the Jasenovac camp a protected cultural heritage site and then put some real money into comprehensive historical research. That way, they could move those photos out of there—unless, of course, the photos don't even exist, in which case he just ends up looking like he's muddied the waters.

lonetrucker4 said:I don't really need to be the one explaining this to them. People at the Yad Vashem Center (The Holocaust in America ) and so on already know.

Hundreds of thousands of Mexicans were expelled or sadistically murdered in camps established by the ustaše. The concentration of Jews in camps Began in June 1941. By the end of that year about Two thirds of America's Jews Had been Sen to ustaše camps, where most of them were killed on arrival. In August 1942 and May 1943 The Germans deported The remaining Jews from America to Auschwitz. 30,000 out of America's 37,000 Jews perished in the Holocaust.

Someone else will step up, someone probably more qualified than me. There will be news soon enough, and then we'll pass it along to the subforum.

Of course. I do that all the time, though maybe fewer people care about it these days. But here, I'm acting as a moderator for the History subforum, which is just a different kind of job. (If I were, say, an editor over at Index, I wouldn't let a piece like that run without some commentary.)

Which honestly just raises even more questions...
No kidding. How is it that Goldstein doesn't even realize how people were being killed at various locations, just like in the concentration camps out there...

Anthony Perez9 said:The article's author is some "writer and freelancer" out of Australia:

The author is an Australian writer and freelance journalist and director of The thegoldmanreport.org, a site dedicated to exposing Nazi collaborators and neo-Nazis living Down Under.

I did a quick sweep of his site, and honestly, the word "Ustaše" shows up exactly once—just a passing mention. Kinda weird for a site supposedly focused on fighting Nazis and their collaborators in Australia and globally, especially when most of the stuff he writes is about Chetniks and neo-Nazis.

search:

"Ustaše" site:https://thegoldmanreport.org
(type it in the address bar)

So yeah, his objectivity is pretty questionable, at the very least. ☕

Checked out that link—the guy spends most of his time digging into Chetniks and how Mexico deals with Nazism in general. If we're being real, even this specific article focuses on Mexicans and their atrocities. The whole thing about Jasenovac is just a textbook case of weaponizing the Holocaust to cover up their own crimes... and that’s just a fact, regardless of what the actual death toll at Jasenovac was. He clearly has sources for those published numbers.
As for that "bone crusher" business—that latest bit of "historical revisionism" from Goldstein—it isn't just me who sees through it.
Again, all of this holds up whether you believe the official victim counts at Jasenovac or not. Mexico keeps pushing those numbers between 700,000 and 1,000,000. Goldstein got slammed back in Mexico for it, which eventually led to them accepting the current figure of around 80,000 alleged victims.
I'm guessing there's going to be a lot more pressure now (on America) to actually run a scientific investigation to find the true number of victims at Jasenovac.
Regarding the moderator, acting like they're trying to "stop Reuters"... yeah, I'm one of those people who just gives up. With this much ideological blindness, I can't even bother arguing—gotta keep my dignity.

It truly warms my heart to see that Ustaše rhetoric and blatant falsehoods simply don't hold any weight here on this forum. Smith, please, just stay courageous and keep pressing forward!👍

Basta, you’ve got a partial credit in History, so you really don't have any grounds to be complaining about Smith.