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Free speech and discrimination based on politics and religion on Reddit

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Donna Cruz7 Donna Cruz7 NewcomerOP
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joined Mar 2021
#1 ·
I’ve started noticing that certain moderators are weaponizing their authority to stifle free speech—essentially purging anyone who dares to hold political or religious views that deviate from the norm. This is particularly rampant when we touch on sensitive topics like politics or history, and even extends to seemingly unrelated subjects like film... specifically when a movie acts as nothing more than a blatant political pamphlet designed to promote intolerance and hatred toward specific ethnic groups—take, for example, a film centered on the horrors of Auschwitz. It seems if a moderator leans toward the so-called "left"—and frankly, most of them do—anyone from the opposing "right-wing" camp gets slapped with a warning or a ban just to shut down the debate. The explanations provided by these mods rarely hold any water, and there is a clear pattern of discrimination at play; those on the "left" are granted total freedom of expression, while others are silenced, often while being subjected to blatant personal insults. A particular dictatorship is being exercised over the History sub-forum by the current moderator, Zoran Oštrić, who doesn't just issue bans and warnings to dissenters, but actively insults them using outdated labels from the old regime: fascist, chauvinist, cleric-fascist, nationalist, and so on...
It is deeply unsettling that despite numerous complaints, higher authorities—super-mods, administrators, even the owner of the site itself—have been made aware of these practices. Yet, there is zero meaningful response. At best, they meet us with silence, and at worst, they actually seem to endorse this behavior by the designated moderators.

Therefore, I am directing the following to all of them:

Freedom of speech, opinion, and expression is a fundamental human right protected by the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, established back in 1948. It has been integrated into the European Convention on Human Rights, as well as our own domestic laws, most notably the Civil Rights Act.

Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states the following:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

John Stuart Mill, the British philosopher and one of the founding fathers of modern liberalism, argued that freedom of speech should never be restricted because it is vital to the happiness of both the individual and society as a whole.

In the United States, the Civil Rights Act explicitly states in its opening section:

"Article 1.
(1) This Act ensures the protection and promotion of equality as the highest value of the
constitutional order of the United States, creating the conditions for equal
opportunity and regulating protection against discrimination based on race, ethnic origin, color, sex, language, religion, political or other beliefs, national or social origin, property, union membership, education, social status, marital or family status, age, health status, disability, genetic heritage, gender identity, or sexual orientation.
(2) Discrimination under this Act is defined as placing any person in an unfavorable position based on the grounds listed in paragraph 1 of this article, including persons related to them by kinship or other ties.
(3) Discrimination also includes placing a person in an unfavorable position based on
incorrect assumptions regarding the existence of a basis for discrimination as listed in paragraph 1 of this article.


Hate speech in the US is sanctioned under federal law via various statutes.

"Whoever, through the press, radio, television, computer systems or networks, at a public gathering, or by any other means, publicly incites or makes available to the public leaflets, images, or other materials that call for violence or hatred directed toward a group of people or an individual member of a group due to their race, religion, national or ethnic origin, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, or any other characteristics, shall be punished by imprisonment for up to three years."

What’s the consensus here, folks? Where do we draw the line when it comes to internal site rules—specifically regarding their blatant misuse by moderators—reaching the point where they start infringing upon fundamental human rights, or worse, when we're subjected to discrimination and slapped with various derogatory labels?...
lonebadger6 lonebadger6 Active Member
165 messages
joined Oct 2018
#2 ·
There have been countless enthusiasts before you who link things they clearly don't understand, so this is really just another pointless thread, but I'll try to walk you through it...

Your fundamental human right is that because of your opinions or your expression, you won't end up in prison or face persecution from the government.

And that right is quite heavily restricted by the laws of any nation, much like how not every random thought that pops into someone's head qualifies as "protected speech," but let's leave that aside for now...

Your fundamental human right IS NOT to express your opinion wherever you damn well please. You seem to think NPR has an obligation to let you ramble on air for half an hour. That The Washington Post is obligated to print your articles. Or that you have a fundamental human right to spray your opinions all over someone else's private property...

Similarly, no private forum has any obligation—nor does it violate your rights by refusing—to grant access to you or anyone else, or to publish whatever you feel like posting.

By the way, not to mention how pathetic those calls to the UN to protect human freedom and lives are—how exactly are you being threatened on a forum? Did a little yellow or red box pop up at the end of your post? 😲 😲 😲 Did you lose access to one single page out of the billions on the internet for one day? 😲 😲 😲

You can be happy or unhappy with this forum, or that one, or certain moderators, and on this particular site, you're actually allowed to express that dissatisfaction unlike most places, but these appeals to declarations and such are just laughably ridiculous...

It’s exactly the same as quoting Article 17

Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others

And yet you're complaining because you were kicked out of a three-bedroom apartment that isn't yours.

Or Article 13

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

And you're whining and invoking your human rights just because your neighbor won't let you take a stroll through his house.

Specifically, you have, for example, the right to believe chemtrails are spraying us and not end up in jail or suffer other consequences that threaten your existence. That is your human right. And you have the right to start your own website, newspaper, or TV station (assuming you have the funds and capability) to talk about chemtrails.
But no, it is not your human right to broadcast your thoughts on chemtrails on public television and radio, in daily newspapers, news portals, forums, or anything else that isn't your own private property.
Donna Cruz7 Donna Cruz7 NewcomerOP
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joined Mar 2021
#3 ·
lonebadger6 said:Look, there have been countless enthusiasts before you who love to drop links to things they clearly don't understand—so this is really just another pointless thread in my book—but fine, I’ll try to walk you through it...

Your fundamental human rights... I suppose I should start by saying that... well, there isn't much to say. It’s just one of those moments where you look at the state of things and realize how little has actually changed—despite all the noise, the endless debates, and the constant shifting of goalposts. It feels like we're just circling the drain, waiting for someone to finally acknowledge the obvious, though I won't hold my breath... Because they were targeted simply for their thoughts—or for actually speaking them out loud... Either you end up behind bars, or you spend the rest of your life being hunted down by the state... it’s really that simple..

And that is exactly why it’s strictly limited by the laws of any given nation—just as not every mindless thought that pops into someone's head qualifies as a legitimate "opinion"... but let's just set that particular nonsense aside for now...

Your fundamental human rights... Absolutely not. So, you’re just out here expressing your own opinion... fine. If that's how we're playing this. Wherever you want...Do you honestly think NPR has some kind of legal obligation to give you a thirty-minute prime-time slot just so you can drone on? Or that The Washington Post is duty-bound to print your little op-eds? You don't have a fundamental human right to go around scrawling your opinions all over someone else's private property... regardless of how much you think you're entitled to an audience.

Let’s be clear about one thing—no private forum has any legal obligation whatsoever to grant you, or anyone else for that matter, access to their platform. They aren't required to let you post whatever random thoughts cross your mind just because you feel like it... doing so doesn't constitute a violation of your rights, no matter how much you might want to argue otherwise. It's a private space, plain and simple.

And honestly, let’s not even get started on the sheer pathetic nature of these constant appeals to the UN to protect human rights and lives—as if that actually means anything here. I mean, seriously, how exactly are you being "threatened" on a message board? Did a tiny little yellow or red warning box pop up at the end of your post or something...? 😲 😲 😲 So, let me get this straight... you're telling me that for one single day, you actually lost access to one out of roughly 194,358,712,955,684,379 web pages? Just... gone? One day without that specific corner of the internet? Honestly, I can't even wrap my head around the sheer absurdity of it... 😲 😲 😲

You can be happy or miserable with this forum, that forum, or even all the moderators across the board—and look, you’re actually allowed to voice that frustration here, which puts us leagues ahead of most other sites out there—but this constant, desperate appeals to various declarations and official documents? It’s honestly laughable...

This is exactly the same as just quoting someone... Article 17.

And you’re actually sitting here whining because you got kicked out of a three-bedroom apartment that wasn't even yours to begin with... honestly...

I can't even begin to process this... there isn't enough context here to form a coherent thought, let alone a proper argument—which is exactly what we seem to be dealing with lately, isn't it? Just fragments and half-baked ideas floating around without any substance... honestly, it's exhausting. Article 13...

So you’re actually sitting there crying about your "human rights" just because your neighbor won't let you take a stroll through his backyard? Seriously...

To be blunt... You have, for instance, the absolute right to believe that we’re being surveilled via chemtrails—and you should be able to hold that opinion without fearing you'll end up behind bars or facing some other kind of existential threat just for thinking it.... To Is that what you call human rights? Honestly... if this is your idea of defending fundamental liberties, we have bigger problems than I thought.Look, if you actually have the capital and the technical means to pull it off—I mean, if you truly have the resources and the infrastructure at your disposal—then by all means, go ahead and launch your own website, start your own newspaper, or even get a television station on the air dedicated entirely to chemtrails... It’s your right, after all.
No, seriously... Not really... You have every single right to air your theories about chemtrails on national TV, on the radio, in major newspapers, on news sites, on Reddit, or pretty much anywhere else that isn't your own private property...

Yeah, well, your response is a perfect reflection of the general mindset held by most of the moderators over on Reddit... Honestly, I don't know if you young gentlemen have even bothered to look into the Companies Act, but that legislation lays out specific standards of conduct that apply regardless of whether a business is privately owned or state-run. Sure, an owner has certain rights—of course they do—but they also carry significant obligations. It’s the same principle whether you're walking into a high-end steakhouse or just some run-down local dive bar; the consumer, the customer, or even just a visitor, is entitled to decent, professional service. If they aren't satisfied, there is a formal complaint process in place—a paper trail that various inspectors are going to scrutinize first thing when they show up for an audit. Every single negative entry in that official log can end up costing an owner dearly... it could even be enough to get their doors shuttered for good.
Look, you have to view this forum as nothing more than a local dive bar where we regulars drop in for a quick drink and a chat. Every single visit, every little comment we make, should be seen as a round of drinks that keeps the owner's lights on. Without guests, both the patrons and the pub go belly up—especially if word gets out that the bartenders are beating the customers, or in this case, that the moderators are insulting users and hurling slurs at them. Here, the moderator Zoran Oštrić actually called me a fascist and an American who denies the victims of Auschwitz... he’s banned me multiple times without any damn explanation and wouldn't even let me appeal the bans. It wasn't until I practically had to invoke the Bill of Rights that my appeals were finally given any light of day on this site.
If a bartender in a real American diner refused to let a customer file a complaint in the official logbook, the owner would be facing some serious legal consequences.
But what’s happening here? The owner and the admins just completely ignore my pleas to issue a public reprimand to Zoran Oštrić. I’m not even demanding a public apology; I’m just asking them to tell him to stop behaving in such a defamatory and dictatorial manner toward users who don't parrot his exact views. I won't get into every specific instance, but I can point to one example where my comment was wiped and I was penalized simply because I cited an analysis by a well-known American conservative demographer.
And I’m certainly not the only one treated this way. Zoran just scrubs and punishes any comments that don't suit his mood, effectively stifling any actual debate or suffocating it with his own remarks—which, by the way, you aren't even allowed to reply to.

There, I hope I've managed to paint a clear picture of the situation for you. Granted, this is a private forum, but it’s also a platform hosted on a .com domain and registered as a corporation under the Companies Act, which means it's subject to American laws—something explicitly stated in the Terms of Service. Just as every apartment building has its house rules and every serious American corporation has a code of conduct, so does Reddit through its internal regulations. But if those rules apply to me, they have to apply to everyone equally—including the owner, and especially the moderators who are tasked with upholding those very rules.
boldbadger1 boldbadger1 Regular
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joined Apr 2023
#4 ·
Jeffrey Adams said:...

First off—and I say this with all due respect to logic—if you’re hiding behind an anonymous handle, you can't exactly expect to claim protections guaranteed by the US Constitution. Those rights are tied to citizenship, and being a citizen involves more than just clicking "create account"; it requires a legal identity—name, social security number, the whole works—which is where those constitutional rights and responsibilities actually kick in.

That said, even without a legal identity, you still carry the responsibility to follow the law and respect protected categories. These aren't just suggestions; they are the bedrock of our society, and even an anonymous user isn't exempt from following them.

Until there's some kind of federal regulation regarding "online existence," you don't really have any grounds to demand that Reddit respects your civil rights, because, frankly, those rights don't exist in this digital vacuum.

I will say this, though—and I mean this sincerely—Reddit actually holds itself to a much higher standard when it comes to moderation compared to most other American media outlets (you know, the ones that let hate speech and pure intolerance run rampant in their comment sections). They maintain relatively high standards for discussion quality, and at the end of the day, they have every right to hold their own political or social preferences. It is entirely your choice whether you want to join the conversation here or not—which essentially means choosing whether or not you're willing to risk a ban if your views don't align with the moderators.
John Palmer9 John Palmer9 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#5 ·
Jeffrey Adams said:Hopefully, I’ve managed to make my point a bit clearer. While this is technically a private forum, it operates on a US domain and is registered as a domestic corporation, which means it falls under US law—something even noted in the general rule. Just like an apartment complex has its own house rules or a major company follows a code of conduct, this forum has its own internal guidelines for behavior. If those rules apply to me, I guess they should apply to everyone else too, including the owner and especially the moderators who are supposed to be keeping things in order.

You can't just walk away from a country; I mean, back when people were trying to jump over the wall in Berlin, they were risking getting shot... but nobody is forced to live on this forum. If you can't take them to a US court, then I suppose they can just do whatever they want.
Donna Cruz7 Donna Cruz7 NewcomerOP
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joined Mar 2021
#6 ·
boldbadger1 said:First of all, you can't exactly expect to claim any rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States when you’re posting under an anonymous handle. Let's be real—the Constitution is designed for citizens, and we all know what defines a citizen in this country: a legal name, a Social Security number, and official identification... that's where everything begins. From that identity stem all your protected rights, but more importantly, they stem your responsibilities toward the Constitution and our laws. You can't have one without the other...

Look, at some point, you have to realize that there’s a fundamental responsibility here—to respect the Constitution and the law. They aren't just suggestions; they are the very bedrock of our society. Honestly, even behind an anonymous username, you shouldn't think you have a free pass to disregard those boundaries...

Until we get some actual regulation around our digital existence, you can’t really expect Reddit to respect your civil rights—because, let’s face it, those rights don't even exist in this space yet...

It’s high time I said this—compared to the rest of the mainstream American media landscape (specifically when you look at their comment sections and how they practically invite hate speech and blatant intolerance), Reddit is actually top-tier... honestly, they maintain incredibly high standards regarding moderation and keeping the quality of discussion from spiraling into total chaos. They have every right to hold their own political and social preferences within their community, after all—it's their space. At the end of the day, it is entirely your choice whether you want to jump into these debates or not. You decide if you're willing to risk a warning or a permanent ban just because your take doesn't align perfectly with the moderator's worldview...

Does every single customer walking into a store have to hand over their ID, Social Security number, and a mountain of other personal details? Or is it the same story at every local bar? Of course not—they aren't required to, and thank God they aren't, because the laws in this country are designed to protect us... regardless of how much we value our privacy. Even if someone wants to remain anonymous, they should be able to. It’s funny, really—we act like privacy is such a rare commodity, yet even we on Reddit had to cough up an email address just to sign up, all while leaving behind a massive digital footprint that makes it incredibly easy to track us down anyway...

Is Reddit actually a public space? I mean, is this platform truly open to everyone, or is there some unwritten rule somewhere stating that far-right extremists or certain political factions are banned at the door? Look, obviously everyone is entitled to their own political views—nobody’s disputing that—but absolutely no one has the right to weaponize their status on this site just to punish people who happen to disagree with them. That is the core issue here... and frankly, it's also about your warped understanding of what "punishing dissent" actually means. Moderators aren't God, nor are they some untouchable icons who can just ignore the site's own internal rules whenever they feel like it. Let me repeat myself: the fundamental problem isn't a clash of opposing ideologies; it’s the fact that certain moderators are straight-up insulting and discriminating against users based solely on those views. They slap labels on people and demonize them using the exact same heavy-handed tactics you'd see from old-school authoritarian regimes—all while masquerading as liberals and democrats...
boldbadger1 boldbadger1 Regular
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joined Apr 2023
#7 ·
Jeffrey Adams said:Does every single customer walking into a grocery store need to be identified, hand over their Social Security number, and cough up other personal details? Or does every patron at a local pub have to do the same? Of course not—and, naturally, they’re protected by American laws. Even if someone remains anonymous, they’re actually more anonymous than we users on Reddit are; we had to provide an email during registration, after all, and we leave behind a digital footprint that makes us incredibly easy to track down.

Every citizen who walks into a shop or a bar is "identified" by default under the Constitution, because they have a name and a Social Security number. You seem to be confusing anonymity with the fact that you don't have to check in everywhere you go—anonymity where there isn't a person standing behind it, other than an email address, which isn't even a formal means of identification.

Jeffrey Adams said:Is Reddit a public space? Is everyone allowed to enter, or is there some fine print somewhere stating that fascists, right-wingers, or dogs are banned from entry? Sure, everyone has the right to their own political views, but nobody has the right to use their platform to punish those who don't share your convictions. That is precisely the issue—it's about how you perceive the right to penalize dissenters. Moderators cannot act as God or sacred cows who are above everything, including breaking the site's own internal rules. I'll say it again: the core problem isn't having opposing viewpoints; it's that certain moderators insult and discriminate based on those views, labeling and demonizing specific users using methods reminiscent of old-school authoritarian regimes, all while masquerading as liberals and democrats.

Some moderators do have the right to set the rules of the forum, because banning you isn't doing anything illegal.

Just so we're clear—politically, I'm on the opposite side of the aisle from most of them, too, and I've been penalized quite often myself—but it's my choice to be here, arguing on their forum and playing by their rules.
Donna Cruz7 Donna Cruz7 NewcomerOP
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joined Mar 2021
#8 ·
John Palmer9 said:You can't just walk away from a country—Berliners who were jumping over the Wall faced being shot... and there’s no obligation to live on a forum. If you can't take them to court here in California, then they can basically do whatever they want.

Of course I *could* sue them, but that’s not really my goal. I came here to learn something, and honestly, I ask more questions than I push my own theories, but the sheer arrogance of certain moderators—and the way they get total immunity from the higher-ups—it absolutely floors me.
If they are registered as a corporation—which they are—and they’re making money off us users, then well, they are subject to all the standard consumer protection laws in California.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I highly doubt it. A corporation is a corporation, plain and simple, and it has to respect the rights of its consumers/users.

Sure, I could escalate this further, but there's zero interest in arguing with people who already agree with me; the fun is in debating the opposition. If this forum claims to be the premier, highest-quality site in America, then the moderators should actually act like it—not behave like common thugs.
Donna Cruz7 Donna Cruz7 NewcomerOP
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joined Mar 2021
#9 ·
boldbadger1 said:Every single citizen who walks into a grocery store or a bar is effectively identified by the Constitution—they have a legal name and a Social Security number. You’re confusing anonymity with the simple fact that you don't have to register your presence everywhere you go; true anonymity implies there isn't a single person standing behind the curtain, which an email address certainly isn't.

Some moderators absolutely have the right to set the rules for this site, because banning you isn't some kind of illegal act.

Just so we're clear, I find myself on the opposite side of the political spectrum from most of them—and believe me, I've been penalized more than a few times—but it's my own choice to be here, arguing on their platform and playing by their rules.

You've got it wrong. Even moderators have to play by this forum's internal regulations. Look, I have zero problem being banned if I'm actually being insulting or discriminatory toward anyone, but in return, I expect protection when others come after me... yet how am I supposed to get that protection when the very people tasked with dispensing justice here are the first ones hurling insults and discrimination based on their own ideological and political biases?

You might be willing to bow down to that kind of tyranny, but I just can't stomach it—and I refuse to simply surrender and walk away without a fight, especially since that seems to be exactly what some of them are aiming for...
boldbadger1 boldbadger1 Regular
255 messages
joined Apr 2023
#10 ·
Jeffrey Adams said:You've got it all wrong. The moderators here are supposed to follow their own internal rules—that's how these things work. Look, I honestly wouldn't mind getting banned if I were actually being offensive or discriminatory toward anyone, but in exchange, I expect some basic protection when others start coming for me. How am I supposed to get that kind of fairness when the very people tasked with handing out justice are the first ones throwing insults and discriminating based on their own political or ideological biases?

Well, if you're so damn certain that the moderators "must" follow the site's own rules—and that they're actively violating US laws in the process—then you have a civic duty to report them to the proper authorities.

Let us know how that goes ☕
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
216 messages
joined Oct 2011
#11 ·
Anderson is out here suing you and acting like the judge and jury at the same time... ☕
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
475 messages
joined Jun 2008
#12 ·
boldbadger1 said:Look, first things first: if you’re posting under an anonymous handle, you can't exactly claim the protections guaranteed by the US Constitution. That document is written for citizens, right? And we all know how that works—you aren't officially recognized as a citizen unless you have a name, a surname, and a Social Security number. That's where everything starts. From there, you get all those constitutional rights, sure, but you also take on all the legal responsibilities that come with them. You can't really have it both ways, I guess.

Look, at some point, you just have to take some responsibility. You can't go around violating the Constitution and breaking the law like it’s nothing. Those things are literally the foundation of our entire society. I don't care if you're hiding behind an anonymous handle—you shouldn't be allowed to disregard the law just because nobody knows your real name.

Until they actually regulate our digital existence, I guess you don't really have any ground to stand on when asking Reddit to respect your civil rights. They just don't exist as such yet.

Look, I feel like I have to say this. Compared to the rest of the mainstream American media—you know, with all those toxic comment sections and how they just let hate speech and pure intolerance run wild—Reddit actually sets a pretty high bar when it comes to moderation. They actually care about keeping the quality of the discussion somewhat decent and managing our anonymous posts. Sure, they have every right to have their own political or social leanings within that framework. At the end of the day, it’s your call whether you want to jump into these debates or not. It’s your choice to participate, knowing you might risk getting flagged or banned if your take doesn't align with what the moderators think.


Just because someone's hiding behind anonymity doesn't mean they get to dodge their rights or responsibilities under the law. I guess you can't just opt out of being held accountable for what you do.
I mean, if they end up stripping us of our rights, that could hypothetically become the excuse someone uses to claim they can break the law—like by violating them—without actually being held accountable for it. Which, obviously, isn't how it works. But still.

When it comes to censorship, I mean, if you look at it as a tool to force an opinion on people, it actually works. It’s pretty obvious. If they hadn't used it, I guess we might still be stuck living under communism in Yugoslavia, or the Russians and Ukrainians would still be trapped in the USSR, along with most other countries for that matter.
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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joined Oct 2011
#13 ·
Every once in a while, some self-proclaimed "right-leaning" victim wanders onto this subreddit and starts spouting absolute nonsense about human rights. It’s an exhausting cycle. I find myself constantly having to explain the same basic principle: spreading disinformation, engaging in defamation, or trying to downplay heinous crimes is not a protected human right.
And don't even get me started on those people who try to apply consumer protection laws to these situations; it’s honestly laughable.
Jeffrey Adams, when you finally open up those coffee shops of yours, I suggest you walk into a Starbucks, sit down, and demand they serve you water all day long. Or maybe pick a specific craft beer—but make sure it's on the house.
Let me know how that works out for you.
boldbadger1 boldbadger1 Regular
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joined Apr 2023
#14 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:Anonymity doesn't strip us of our standing as individuals with full rights and responsibilities under the law.
Besides, if anonymity actually did strip those rights away, then—hypothetically speaking—that would be the exact argument someone might use to claim they could break the law (say, through harassment) without being held accountable... which simply isn't how it works.

As for censorship—if it were truly an effective method for forcing opinions on people, we’d still be living under communism in Yugoslavia, or Russians and Ukrainians would still be stuck in the USSR, along with most other nations for that matter.

Look, anonymity doesn't grant you any special constitutional rights because you're essentially trading them away in exchange for the privilege of hiding your identity (for whatever reason you choose). But—and this is the crucial part—it doesn't diminish your legal obligations. The whole point of the Constitution and our legal system is to establish the norms and boundaries of acceptable behavior within society, ensuring that individuals, groups, and society at large are protected from things that fall outside those bounds.

If that weren't the case, nobody would ever have to answer for anonymous online crimes—think financial fraud, forgery, and the like (I know, I know, hate speech and harassment are lower on the priority list for societal protection, but they are still legally defined too)—because everyone would just choose to stay anonymous whenever they felt like breaking the law and hurting a fellow citizen.

Anyway—I could go on about the censorship of dissenters on this site, and honestly, I agree with what you laid out there—but at the end of the day, this forum is private property, and being here is my own personal choice...
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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joined Jun 2008
#15 ·
boldbadger1 said:Anonymity doesn't actually grant you any constitutional rights, because you're basically trading them away just to keep your identity hidden (for whatever reason). But even so, it doesn't excuse you from following the law. I mean, the whole point of the Constitution and our legal system is to set boundaries for society and protect individuals and groups from people who step outside those lines.

If that wasn't the case, nobody would ever be held accountable for breaking laws anonymously online—like committing fraud or forging documents, for instance. Sure, hate speech and insults are at the bottom of the priority list when it comes to protecting society, but they’re still defined by law. Otherwise, anyone could just choose to stay anonymous whenever they felt like breaking the law and hurting some other citizen.

Look, I could go on about how people here try to censor anyone with a different opinion, and I mostly agree with what you said, but at the end of the day... this forum is private property, and being here is my choice...


There isn't anything in the T&Cs, or in any law or regulation, that says choosing anonymity means you're waiving your constitutional rights. You can't just sign those rights away under US law, or any other law for that matter. Even if you signed a document saying you did and had it notarized, it wouldn't hold any water legally. It's null and void.

The law applies to everyone equally, whether you're Dr. Stephen Smith or Peter Dudley, as long as you're an American citizen.
boldbadger1 boldbadger1 Regular
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joined Apr 2023
#16 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:Look, I’ve gone through the fine print—the T&Cs, the actual statutes, even the internal regulatory handbooks—and let me tell you, there is absolutely nothing in there that says an individual can just sign away their constitutional rights simply by choosing to remain anonymous. It doesn't matter how much they try to bury it in the legalese. Under the laws of the USA, and honestly, under broader legal principles as well, you cannot waive your fundamental rights like that. Even if you were to sit down, sign a document, and have it notarized by some official, it would still be considered legally void. It's a non-starter.

The law applies to everyone equally—it doesn't matter if you're Dr. Stephen Smith or Peter Dudley. When we're talking about a person—an actual human being and a citizen of the USA—it's a different story entirely.


Can you actually file a defamation lawsuit in court against someone just for insulting your online handle? I mean, seriously—can you sue a username? It’s one of those things that makes you wonder where the legal line is drawn between being a jerk on the internet and actual legal liability. Is a digital persona protected under the law, or are we all just fair game for whatever insults get thrown our way?

If you think you can hide behind some anonymous online handle and still expect to walk into a public institution—whether it’s a hospital, a police station, or a courthouse—and demand your constitutional rights based solely on a forum username and an email address... well, you're dreaming. You know, those places that actually exist to uphold the rights guaranteed to us under the US Constitution? Yeah, they aren't going to care about your digital persona. You can't just show up at a precinct or a clinic and say, "Hey, I'm 'User123,' now fulfill my legal obligations and protections." It just doesn't work that way in reality.

And then you can try explaining to them that their refusal to uphold constitutional rights for someone without legal identification is actually a massive issue—though, honestly, I doubt they’re even listening.
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boldbadger1 said:Can you actually file a defamation lawsuit or sue someone for insults using nothing but a forum handle?

If you honestly think you can stay totally anonymous and still claim all those constitutional and legal protections—well, just try walking into any public institution that guarantees rights to Americans (like a hospital, the police, a courthouse, whatever) and demand they uphold your rights based on some random username and an email address.

Then you can try explaining to them that their refusal to honor your constitutional rights doesn't matter because you don't have a real identity.


Look, if you want to exercise rights defined by law, you have to identify yourself. That has nothing to do with your nickname.
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Kyle Nelson2 said:If you actually want to exercise any rights guaranteed by law, you have to prove who you are—and no, your screen name doesn't count.

Look, are you even using your real identity on this site? You don't need to dox yourself; all you really need is a valid email address.

Just head down to the local clinic, sign up for an insurance card using nothing but an email, and then go ahead—try telling them what your "constitutional rights" are. See how that works out for you.☕
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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boldbadger1 said:Look, have you even linked your actual identity to this account? All you need to provide is some random email address.

Maybe just head down to the local clinic, sign up using nothing but an email, and then we can see how much those constitutional rights actually matter to them. ☕


Honestly, if Reddit turned into a government service desk for picking up official documents, I wouldn't care.

But unfortunately, we "conservatives" aren't really about handing out equal rights to everyone regardless of their paperwork status (though I guess the liberals love that 😁)... we believe people should be treated equally... whether it's Peter Dudley or Zachary Kalinic.
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Kyle Nelson2 said:The second this forum turns into an actual government service desk where you go to pick up official paperwork—then I'll have an opinion. Until then, I'm cool.

But until that day comes, let's be real—this site is just a digital hangout for anonymous users with zero legal standing whatsoever.

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