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The debate over alternative medicine vs. vaccinations

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Participants Brandon Newman95Jessica Morris6Linda Moore51Sandra Kern37Elizabeth Jacksonurbangull90Brenda Gonzalez12bluecyclist64Roger Cooper91Casey BennettArthur Smith15stormyrider28rustydrifter10
Arthur Smith15 Arthur Smith15 Member
41 messages
joined Nov 2021
#21 ·
Kimberly Ward said:I would like to ask a favor of you. It is high time we addressed this issue directly: there needs to be a permanent ban issued immediately. We cannot simply sit by and watch this behavior continue unchecked; it undermines the very foundation of our community. If we want to maintain any semblance of order and decorum, decisive action is required. (...)

Straight to the jugular, isn't it? Just a total shot to the head. 😁

The discussions among forum members like Arthur Smith15...

The accusation is utterly baseless because, quite frankly, there is no such person as "Arthur Smith15." Perhaps, in your sheer lack of literacy, you’ve confused him with me?

... because they are insulting me ...

You are peddling nothing but anti-vax nonsense, which frankly makes you worthy of every bit of scorn directed your way.

...and I’ll go ahead and introduce myself on behalf of my sister, Veronica, who was actually just featured on national television recently.

That accusation is completely baseless. Neither Arthur Smith15 nor I ever actually said, "you are falsely representing yourself." Aside from that, you seem to be struggling with basic literacy and are having a hard time grasping the actual content of what was written here.

Even if these baseless, fraudulent, and poorly constructed accusations were actually directed at me, I would find it impossible to hold a grudge. I simply have a notorious weakness for nurses—even the ones peddling lies while wearing frayed scrubs. 😁

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Linda Moore51 Linda Moore51 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2017
#22 ·
Ethan Brooks59 said:It’s honestly hilarious how you act like you're the victim now, constantly breaking every single rule in the book—whether it's derailing threads, spamming, trolling, or just being plain obnoxious—yet the second things get heated, you suddenly start crying about being insulted.

The whole playbook used by these pseudo-doctors and health gurus is predictable at this point; they'll drop these wild claims about curing cancer or some other terminal illness to grab attention, and once the backlash gets too intense and things start boiling over, they suddenly play it safe and pivot back to peddling their mindless smoothie recipes.
So, given everything that's been said here, you can pretty much expect a flood of those damn blender recipes coming your way very soon. 😬
Brandon Newman95 Brandon Newman95 Active MemberOP
245 messages
joined Jun 2024
#23 ·
Arthur Smith15;74739283 said:Straight to the jugular, huh? 😁

Yeah, obviously. And honestly, I really hope the mods actually step up and do their damn jobs this time by handing out some sanctions. This whole thing is a total violation of the rules—it’s basically just straight-up disrespecting the forum guidelines at this point.
Brenda Gonzalez12 Brenda Gonzalez12 Member
45 messages
joined Mar 2017
#24 ·
Look, buddy, that little symbol "?" is called a question mark, and it’s used for questions. Get it? The guy was just asking if you really hold such an extreme opinion. He didn't insult you even once.

And by the way, are you actually "that girl from a small town in rural USA"? That's a question, not a statement. Are you really who you say you are? 🍿
Brandon Newman95 Brandon Newman95 Active MemberOP
245 messages
joined Jun 2024
#25 ·
Ethan Brooks59 said:Look, Cvjetiću, that little symbol "?" is called a question mark. It marks a question. Get it? The guy was just asking if you actually held such an extreme opinion. He didn't insult you once.

And by the way, are you actually some "small town girl from rural USA"? That’s a question, not a fact. Is that really who you are? 🍿

I'm not even going to dignify these provocations or insults with a response. I honestly hope the moderators on this forum actually step up and hand out some sanctions. Because this has gone way too far.
stormyrider28 stormyrider28 Member
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joined Dec 2018
#26 ·
It’s just the same old story... the exact same group of people drifting over to the alternative boards just to tear down anyone who dares to have a different opinion from them... Ethan Brooks59, Jerry White29, Arthur Smith15, SusFerox, Lufat Mufat...every single thing they post is either some kind of insult or a direct attack on other users here...and honestly, it’s no surprise they’re getting worked up now that someone finally started a thread about all this verbal abuse, looking for excuses and trying to convince us that being toxic is totally fine... if they keep this up, they'll be trying to tell us it's okay to just take shots at us whenever they feel like it...
SusFerox, you've completely missed the point... we aren't talking about vaccines here, we're talking about the disrespect that you and a few others keep defending.
urbangull90 said:.

We’re fighting against it, and we’re gonna keep fighting. Against ignorance, fake news, malice, and the modern-day crowning of some random village idiot as the ultimate authority on truth.

We’re fighting for the kids and the immunocompromised.

And just how much you're actually "fighting" for children and people's health... well, you showed us exactly what you meant by that:

SusFerox said:Watch out for the people who don't drink coffee, don't touch alcohol, don't smoke, don't do drugs, and won't eat anything sweet, salty, fatty, spicy, or fried...

If they can put themselves through that much misery—just imagine what they'd do to you?

SF

So, I guess you're also fighting for kids to drink coffee and booze, and to smoke and do drugs too? Wow, what a noble cause... bravo to you...
And I've got a suggestion for you and those two or three other obsessed guys: why don't you just start your own thread dedicated entirely to Ethan Barrett22? Go ahead, talk about him there instead of dragging his name into every single topic and every single post, making up stuff he never even said. Personally, I respect the guy because I've learned a lot from him; his posts are great and he never insults anyone. But look, if you think he's breaking all these rules while people like you use their profiles solely to be jerks, then fine—why don't you just report him where it actually matters, like the site mods, and stop bothering everyone else with his name in every damn thread?
Roger Cooper91 Roger Cooper91 Member
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joined Jun 2014
#27 ·
I’m right there with stormyrider28 on this one. I personally order a ton of stuff from those wellness gurus—mostly just so I don't have to deal with the hassle of manually supplementing things like Vitamin C myself.👍
Elizabeth Jackson Elizabeth Jackson Member
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joined Nov 2012
#28 ·
Mark Cruz15 said:Yes, practicing medicine without a license is strictly illegal. But I wonder, what exactly do we call it when someone with zero medical training starts handing out unsolicited advice about life-threatening illnesses?

Don't you worry about a thing, my fellow forum brothers. I have to say, I feel like I have a pretty solid grasp on the legalities of this whole situation. I’ve spent quite a bit of time looking into the specifics, and I suppose I'm reasonably confident in my understanding of how the law actually functions here in the States.And, when there’s something I truly don't know, I happen to have a very, very, very close connection working within the judicial system, so I can usually get the most accurate information and everything else I might need directly from the source. 😉

As far as the questions are concerned... I suppose neither you, nor I, nor anyone else on this forum can truly claim to know—nor should we really be concerned with prying into anyone's private business—who among us might actually hold a medical degree (or any other credential, for that matter, which is arguably just as trivial). Regarding this thread......unless, of course, you happen to know them personally.

I suppose I’m just a bit stumped by one thing: what happens if someone on this forum actually holds a medical degree, or perhaps some other specialized professional credential? I honestly can't quite wrap my head around how that would even work here. I’m struggling to see how any of this actually relates to the original thread, which was started specifically because someone was being disrespectful toward one of our female members. I guess I'm just wondering what the connection is here.?
Does one actually need a medical degree for this kind of behavior? Or perhaps it takes three separate university degrees just to prove that someone is pathologically committed to being insulting? 🤦

Furthermore, I honestly can't quite wrap my head around who exactly you're implying was handing things out to people. I'm really not sure who you're referring to with these accusations. "Medical advice." Regarding the matter at hand. "Fatal illnesses"? That’s a heavy way to put it, isn't it? I suppose it depends on how you're looking at things, but it certainly carries a certain weight when you say it out loud. It feels a bit more clinical and final than just saying someone is "critically ill." Maybe that's the point, though—to emphasize the gravity of the situation. I guess it's one of those terms where the nuance really matters depending on the context.
I have to say, I haven't encountered anything quite like that in any of the discussion threads I frequent. It’s certainly a first for me.

But, if you happen to have links handy, and if you’re under the impression that they might actually violate the forum rules... I honestly don't quite follow—if this is bothering you quite this much, why don't you just start your own thread over on the main forum? You could just attach a bunch of links as proof and let everyone see for themselves. Finally. Will you actually manage to solve that massive headache? 🤷

To wrap things up, I have one final on-topic question for you: Do you really think it's acceptable to insult a female member of this forum, regardless of the circumstances? It seems we’ve drifted into the territory of insults. I suppose it was somewhat inevitable given the direction this conversation has taken, though I must admit I find it all rather tedious. There is a certain lack of grace in how people are choosing to address one another lately; it feels less like a debate and more like a series of cheap shots. Personally, I’ve always felt that if you can’t make a point without resorting to personal slights, you’ve probably already lost the argument. It’s just a bit undignified, don't you think? Maybe I'm being too old-fashioned, but I'd much prefer we stick to the actual topics at hand instead of this downward spiral. I suppose one could argue that this stands as one of the most egregious violations imaginable. Forum Rules I suppose it’s only fair to lay out the ground rules before we get too deep into the discussions. To ensure this remains a space where people can actually engage without everything devolving into chaos, I think we should all agree to follow a few basic principles. It isn't about being overly restrictive—far from it—but rather about maintaining a certain level of decorum that makes the community worth being a part of. First and foremost, let's try to keep things civil. We don't have to agree on everything—in fact, healthy disagreement is probably what keeps things interesting—but there is a line between a spirited debate and simple hostility. Personal attacks, harassment, or any kind of targeted vitriol toward other members won't be tolerated here. I imagine we’d all prefer a space where we can disagree without feeling like we need to duck for cover. Regarding content, please try to keep posts relevant to the topics at hand. While it might be tempting to veer off into endless tangents, staying somewhat focused helps everyone find the information or conversation they came here for. If you're starting a new thread, try to pick a title that actually reflects what you're talking about; it saves a lot of confusion down the road. Spamming and self-promotion are also big no-nos. We aren't here to be a billboard for various products or services, and flooding the boards with repetitive nonsense just clutters up the experience for everyone else. Lastly, I'd ask that you respect the privacy of our members. What happens in the threads stays in the threads. Building a community requires a baseline of trust, and I think we all benefit when we feel secure in our interactions. I guess if we can all stick to these general guidelines, we should be able to maintain a high-quality environment for discussion. Let's keep it smart, keep it respectful, and most importantly, keep it interesting. Could you take a look at point number three? I'd really appreciate your thoughts on that specific part.

Kimberly Ward said:To isn't actually about Mark Cruz15; it’s about Arthur Smith15. And I should clarify—this isn't some kind of joke. It seems to me that this is nothing more than a targeted attempt to insult another member, coupled with some pretty blatant slander. Since there doesn't seem to be anyone actually moderating this forum, I suppose we're all just left to our own devices. If this had happened on any other subforum, they probably would have been sanctioned immediately for the insults.Well, since the moderators aren't weighing in on this, I suppose it doesn't really matter what any of us think.

It’s only a matter of time before it all comes to light. I suspect it will eventually manifest itself, quite clearly, if you know where to look. I honestly can't help but notice certain individuals who seem to make it their personal mission to throw insults into almost every single thread they touch. It’s becoming a bit of a pattern, isn't it? If they keep up this aggressive, insulting tone, I suspect the administrators will eventually step in and shut the whole thread down.

Regarding those forum members whose insults actually prompted you to start this thread— It seems to me that Arthur Smith15 hasn't contributed a single constructive post to the Alternative subforum. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that almost every single one of his entries is either outright insulting or relies entirely on ad hominem attacks rather than actual logic.

Just a few quick snippets from Al Dent's recent forum essays... I’ve been sharing my thoughts across the entire Alternative subforum, touching on pretty much every single thread:
Arthur Smith15 said:The accusation is completely baseless because (1) this "Al Dent" person doesn't even exist. Perhaps, in your limited literacy, you've confused him with me?

Arthur Smith15 said:You’re spewing anti-vax nonsense, which I suppose makes you worthy of every bit of criticism coming your way.

Arthur Smith15 said:
The charge is invalid since (2) neither "Al Dent" nor I ever actually wrote "you are impersonating someone."
Aside from being somewhat illiterate, you seem to have quite a bit of trouble actually comprehending what's been written.

Arthur Smith15 said:Once again, you've outed yourself as some sort of shadowy reptilian agent on this forum. Or perhaps you're just a manic paranoid with an uncontrollable urge to type...

Arthur Smith15 said:You aren't doing too well, lady; honestly, now I'm getting worried. Did you take something this morning?

Arthur Smith15 said:Listen, don't bother stressing yourself out over having "over a billion neurons"; leave that to your fiancé and focus on looking after your patients instead. I certainly hope you didn't show up to work in ripped pants again today...

Arthur Smith15 said:Sister Veronica, is that really you?

Arthur Smith15 said:Were you being untruthful when you told those cameras you graduated from nursing school in Chicago?

Arthur Smith15 said:Silvek, before you integrate, try tightening your gear so all the blood rushes straight to your brain.

Arthur Smith15 said:The fact that you—an uneducated alternative type—think one actually needs to "verify" things just to notice your own literacy issues... goodness me...

Anyway, the next time I catch you lecturing someone on grammar or linguistics, I’ll be sure to point out once again that you're nothing more than a semi-literate fool, an ignoramus, and a hypocrite; it really doesn't take much effort at all😁

Arthur Smith15 said:If this is coming from Ethan Barrett22, a guy known as total trash and a hack who tells sick people that medicine is a scam and that cancer can be cured with bone marrow, then it's hardly a compliment

Arthur Smith15 said:It’s all for nothing, really. You went through all that trouble painting everything, but I suspect you didn't earn any extra credit from the Almighty for your efforts. Go ahead and be exactly who you are: an aggressive provocateur and a total charlatan.

Arthur Smith15 said:It seems you aren't feeling any remorse at all— You were a piece of work then, and frankly, you haven't changed much since.

Arthur Smith15 said:Look, Look, you might have a history of sitting on a therapist's couch, but I think there's a massive difference between being a patient and actually being a professional. Just because you've navigated your own mental health struggles doesn't mean you've suddenly earned the right to call yourself an expert. Experience is one thing, but expertise is quite another entirely. 😁 I suppose you’re suggesting that I’m some sort of uneducated, short-sighted individual who barely scraped through a couple of years of high school, yet somehow carries himself with the misplaced confidence of a scholar. It's an interesting assessment, I guess, though perhaps a bit more dramatic than necessary.

Arthur Smith15 said:I suppose if you’re looking to label me, you might settle on calling me a forum liar, a mental patient, a paranoid conspiracy theorist, or an ultra-rightist. I guess that's one way to look at it, though I suspect the reality is far more nuanced than such blunt categorizations suggest.

Arthur Smith15 said:I honestly think you’re being incredibly dim-witted here. 😁

Arthur Smith15 said:Oh, come now, how could you possibly think otherwise? It seems like on this forum, you’ll always run into the uneducated and the conspiracy theorists—people like yourself—who just can't stop constantly quoting Darwin.

Arthur Smith15 said:You aren't "pointing out" anything, you absolute dimwit, and frankly, your ability to express yourself is just tragic. It’s almost funny, how people with such fractured psyches can make an obvious mistake and still double down, arguing away with zero logic and even less dignity...

Arthur Smith15 said:You really are a pathetic sight. I wonder how your God views you making up someone else's heritage? Do you honestly think He rewards lying?

Arthur Smith15 said:... Ethan Barrett22 writes, in all his foolishness, convinced he's actually insulting others 😁

Arthur Smith15 said:Such a pompous little lecture from a self-proclaimed guru, only to stumble over basic grammar in the very sentence where he tries to act smart. 😁When dealing with non-living things, it isn't "whom," it's "which," you complete idiot...

Arthur Smith15 said:stormyrider28, go ahead and defend the boss— he’s been an idiot yet again, but I’m sure you’ll dig up some excuse for him.

Arthur Smith15 said:Aren't you worried that all this constant squeezing and overheating your junk goes through in those tight leggings might actually lead to impotence or infertility? I mean, if that happens, it’ll make all that effort you spend protecting your pride and joy from bulldogs and other pushy dogs completely pointless.

Arthur Smith15 said:Has things taken a turn for the worse? I suppose I have to wonder—did you decide to skip your medication?


Administration... honestly, is there anything else you need from me? 🙂
Roger Cooper91 Roger Cooper91 Member
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joined Jun 2014
#29 ·
🤣 🤣

Back when I called out Rorion like that, the gurus and stormyrider28 were all over me, calling it harassment 😁

Look, I’m not trying to attack the people this thread was actually created to honor. I’m just pointing out the blatant double standards here 😉
Jessica Morris6 Jessica Morris6 Active Member
195 messages
joined Nov 2022
#30 ·
As far as the question goes—neither you, nor I, nor anyone else on this entire board can actually know (nor should we be concerned with invading someone’s privacy) who among us holds a medical degree (or any other degree, which is irrelevant to this specific discussion), unless we happen to know them personally in our real lives...

Fine. So, are you a licensed doctor or not?

To wrap this up with an on-topic question for you: Do you really think it's acceptable to insult a female member here, especially when personal attacks are considered one of the most serious violations of the forum rules (check Rule 3)...?

I've already stated twice now that I believe it is. Anyone who poses a threat to public health deserves it.
Brandon Newman95 Brandon Newman95 Active MemberOP
245 messages
joined Jun 2024
#31 ·
"I’ve already said it twice. Anyone who puts public health at risk should be dealt with."

It’s funny how the rules don't seem to apply to everyone equally here. You insult one guy on this forum and suddenly you're getting slapped with sanctions and a mountain of insults thrown back at you. It feels like nothing actually happens unless someone breaks a specific rule, just to justify the crackdown.
Jessica Morris6 Jessica Morris6 Active Member
195 messages
joined Nov 2022
#32 ·
Kimberly Ward said:It’s pretty obvious that the rules don't apply equally to everyone here. People get hit with sanctions just for throwing an insult at another user, but it feels like those rules are only ever enforced when someone wants to trigger a penalty... it's all just a way to crack down on people for breaking the site guidelines.

Real people are suffering because of the nonsense you're peddling, yet here you are, obsessing over the fine print of some online message board. You’re quite the humanitarian, aren't you?
SusFerox already laid it all out for you in his very first post in this thread. If you haven't bothered to read it, maybe you should try...
Brandon Newman95 Brandon Newman95 Active MemberOP
245 messages
joined Jun 2024
#33 ·
Mark Cruz15 said:People are actually dying because of idiots like you, yet here you are, sweating over some random forum rules. You're a regular saint, aren't you?
SusFerox already laid it all out in his first post on this thread. Go read it if you haven't already.

Oh, great. So now I'm a man. Fascinating. 😵
Jessica Morris6 Jessica Morris6 Active Member
195 messages
joined Nov 2022
#34 ·
Kimberly Ward said:Great, so now I'm a man. Interesting. 😵

The term philanthropist can be gender-neutral if we really need to get technical about it... ☕

But honestly, you shouldn't be wasting your energy worrying about grammar rules; instead, maybe take a moment to reflect on the Dunning-Kruger effect and ask yourself some real questions, like "Am I actually competent enough to tackle issues that require people with ten years of specialized schooling?", "How am my actions actively endangering someone else's health?", "Is it actually wise to spread misinformation and stir up panic across the internet?", and "Is it truly possible that people reading anti-vax propaganda online are dying because they fell victim to those very same texts?"

Just sit down. Take a breath. One thing at a time... everything will eventually settle where it belongs.
Brandon Newman95 Brandon Newman95 Active MemberOP
245 messages
joined Jun 2024
#35 ·
SusFerox already laid it all out for you in his very first post on this thread. Maybe try actually reading it if you haven't yet.

He explained everything in his first post.😵
Jessica Morris6 Jessica Morris6 Active Member
195 messages
joined Nov 2022
#36 ·
I just don't get it...
Brandon Newman95 Brandon Newman95 Active MemberOP
245 messages
joined Jun 2024
#37 ·
Mark Cruz15 said:I don't get it.

Oh, you get it perfectly fine. ☕
Casey Bennett Casey Bennett Regular
522 messages
joined Nov 2011
#38 ·
I honestly don't follow.
Unless, of course, you're trying to suggest that SF is female. 🤷
Jessica Morris6 Jessica Morris6 Active Member
195 messages
joined Nov 2022
#39 ·
Kimberly Ward said:Oh, I totally get what you mean. ☕

I’m not entirely sure what you're getting at here, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like you've completely misread one of my points due to a basic lack of comprehension... 🤷
Either way, I honestly couldn't care less.
Brandon Newman95 Brandon Newman95 Active MemberOP
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joined Jun 2024
#40 ·
Mark Cruz15 said:I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here, but from where I'm sitting, you clearly just misread whatever sentence I wrote because you can't grasp basic English. 🤷
Whatever, honestly, I don't even care enough to argue.

Actually, excuse me? I am perfectly capable of reading. And if we're talking about following the rules, you're the one blatantly breaking Rules 3 and 11—especially Rule 3.

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