Politics / World, The Provence mod, systematic trolling

This guy Par is basically a professional troll. He just goes around insulting anyone who doesn't jump through his hoops on the Politics/World boards. It’s always the same deal when the topics touch on defending "Western values"—he just parrots whatever the mainstream media spits out. You know the drill: they drop some "breaking news" based on "high-ranking anonymous sources close to the administration," and he treats it like gospel. Honestly, it's getting old. Even @Antilles can't escape his nonsense.

That whole thing was pushed hard during Trump's campaign and throughout his presidency—everyone knows it as that "Russia collusion" nonsense. But now that it’s become crystal clear that most of it was just rogue elements within the FBI, NSA, and CIA acting out, the term "Russia collusion" has basically turned into a catch-all label. It's become shorthand for spreading fake news and half-truths just to manipulate the public and stir up a massive witch hunt against anyone the establishment doesn't like.

So, basically, rowdytiger13 just dropped this news from Fox News:
Quote : @Antilles

rowdytiger13 said:Word on the street is that some leaked notes just surfaced from a high-level meeting between the Iranian leadership, top political brass, and security chiefs. Apparently, they were all huddled up discussing ways to shut down any potential protests before they even start. Total crackdown vibes.Check this out on Fox News—it’s wild. They're talking about how things are shifting and people are basically begging for some kind of backup. It’s heavy stuff, honestly. Just one of those stories that makes you stop scrolling and actually think about where everything is heading. Total madness.

I flagged it as Fake News because of where it came from and that blatant, proven bias over at Fox News. It’s just too obvious.
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Jack Cook7 said:I bet those high-level Fox News leaks were handed over by Russia, all thanks to that whole "Russian collusion" mess. Honestly, it’s wild. On top of that, Russian hackers probably cracked everyone's phones and laptops right while they were busy sending those... uh, "revealing" photos to teenagers. Maybe the Russians are even laundering cash for the Iranian Ayatollahs and using mules to keep them under their thumb? Just goes to show how messy things get.

Total CIA plant. Or let's just call it what it actually is: straight-up agitprop and pure black propaganda.

Why do people even bother treating the mainstream media like they’re some kind of ultimate truth? Seriously. On one hand, you've got the usual suspects, and on the other, you've got Press TV or Fars News from Iran acting just as convincing. It's all a mess!

Look, if I even say something like, "Hey, a supposed source from the top brass in Iran sent me this info," and then post it here, I’d get slapped with a ban for trolling faster than you can blink. Like, seriously. Is Fox News any better? Please.

And that's exactly where @Antilles is going with this, trying to pitch the NCRI—you know, that "opposition group in exile" from Iran—as some kind of legit, trustworthy source of info. Give me a break!

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Quote : @Antilles said:So, I just heard through the grapevine that... I can't even begin to process this one. Just... wow. Total nonsense..
Look, I don't trust them as far as I can throw them—honestly, their stories speak for themselves—but you have to admit, it’s pretty damn logical that a repressive regime isn't going to play nice when they're trying to crush protests. Especially when those protesters actually have legitimate demands. It just makes sense.

My take on this:
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Jack Cook7 said:I mean, obviously there’s going to be talk about "Russian collusion" floating around. That’s what CNN and the New York Times are out there screaming about. And people actually believe them because they think, "Hey, it's the US, they wouldn't lie about stuff like this." They assume since we aren't some repressive regime, everything must be legit. Like, in a free and democratic society, you don't have anything to worry about if you're an honest person, right? Please. They’ve got eyes on everyone, 24/7. It's wild.

So, @Antilles is out here acting all "surprised" about where this whole Russian collusion thing came from—as if we can't all see the mainstream media pulling the strings right in front of our faces. It’s such a joke! And then, of course, they try to flip the script entirely, pivoting away from the actual issue just to claim I'm the one trolling. Typical move, honestly.
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Quote : @Antilles said:What "Russian collusion" are you even talking about? Seriously, what's that supposed to mean? 🙄

Alright, let's talk about the Islamic Republic.

I'm ready. Send over the text you want me to rework!
Seriously, wasn't there enough trolling in this thread last night? Enough already!

So, I try to explain something that’s freaking obvious, and what do I get? A straight-up red card. Seriously?
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Jack Cook7 said:Listen, when Fox News starts running stories based on "anonymous sources within the Iranian leadership" to talk about the Iranian opposition in exile, it’s the exact same garbage as CNN, the NYT, or WaPo reporting on "Russian collusion" using "anonymous high-ranking US officials." It's all the same playbook. Honestly, I'm surprised someone as plugged into Middle Eastern affairs as you aren't seeing how simple this pattern is, but hey, whatever.

@Antilles, seriously, cut out the patronizing act already. You’re acting like some condescending teenager who resorts to insulting everyone else just because you ran out of actual arguments. If you want to talk like that, go vent to your family at home—assuming they even let you have a say! Don't bring that attitude here to people who are actually putting in the work to report the news and explain the context behind what's happening, rather than just blindly defending the US/UK/French/Israeli agenda.

Look, if you keep trolling me like this, I’m gonna have to report you every single time. Seriously.

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You just got hit with an infraction on Reddit. Hey Jack Cook7, I just got hit with an infraction on Reddit. Seriously? What a joke. Reason: Trolling ------- ------- You just took a 35-point hit, which means you might be looking at a temporary lockout until this blows over. Just a heads-up though—if things get really heavy, some violations stay on your record forever. Original Post: I can't believe people are actually falling for this garbage! Seriously, wake up! I was scrolling through Reddit earlier and saw some absolute nonsense being peddled as fact. It’s like everyone just stopped using their brains at the same time. Jack Cook7 is out here acting like he knows everything, but honestly? Please. It's all just noise. And don't even get me started on what rowdytiger13 was saying—total nonsense if you ask me. It feels like the mainstream media is just feeding us whatever script they wrote that morning. You see these headlines and you just have to laugh, because how are we supposed to trust anything when the narrative shifts every five minutes? It's exhausting. Just my two cents, but stay skeptical, folks! Quote : @Antilles

Alright, someone please walk me through this:

1. Where exactly is the trolling? I laid out the whole connection to "Russian collusion" crystal clear in my post, explaining why it’s basically just parroting some NCRI "news" straight from Fox News.

2. And seriously, how much longer are we gonna let @Antilles call anyone a troll just because they don't like their take?

Well, I’m glad you finally decided to start this thread, especially since you're one of those lead moderators who seems obsessed with trolling every single discussion on that PDF. It might be worth taking a look back at your own posts, where you basically just spout nonsense and mock anyone who doesn't fall in line with your views; meanwhile, @Antilles is being straight-up persecuted on that platform simply because she refuses to bow down to the mainstream media agenda.

rowdytiger13 said:Honestly, thanks for starting this thread, especially since you’re basically the moderator of this whole PDF site who trolls every single discussion. I really think someone needs to look at your posts where you just talk nonsense and mock anyone who doesn't fall in line with you. Seriously, @Antilles is being straight-up persecuted on that PDF just because she won't bow down to the fake news agenda.

Sweet. Why don't you go ahead and open a book complaint thread and drop all those links there? This specific thread is about @Antilles and the Provence fashion criteria regarding this actual debate.

So yeah, you're totally off-topic here.

Jack Cook7 said:Where’s the trolling? I laid out the connection to "Russian collusion" perfectly clearly in the main post, explaining why it's basically just recycling Fox News "reports" from some NCRI outfit.

Seriously, where exactly is the trolling?

Maybe in airing your little opinions and "analyses" about another user in public...

How much longer are we going to let @Antilles call anyone a troll just because they don't agree with him?

Give @Antilles a break already!

Look, I'm pretty chill about how things go down here, but I draw the line at making this personal on my own board...

Don't like what @Antilles is typing?

Hit the report button, ignore them, or just beat them with better arguments...

But I'm not having anyone talk about him like he's some clueless teenager. Not happening.

More screenshots coming your way:

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Hey Jack Cook7,
You’ve been flagged here on Reddit.
Reason: Breaking the sub rules.
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This strike is worth 30 points and could lead to a temporary ban. Major violations stay on your record forever.
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Jack Cook7 says: I reported @Antilles for trolling. Here are the details—feel free to jump in and tell me what you think. http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1046531 From now on, any attempt to join discussions where she just systematically tears down anyone who disagrees with her is going to be reported as trolling and harassment. Just a heads up to everyone else on the board.

...and so on.

provense
Hey Jack Cook7,
You’ve been flagged here on Reddit.
Reason: Breaking the sub rules.
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This strike is worth 30 points and could lead to a temporary ban. Major violations stay on your record forever.

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Original Post: http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?p=67288103 Quote: Quote: Maria Reyes35 says: Check out this post. Look, we aren't all going to see eye to eye, but please, let's not make this personal. And seriously, stop posting your random opinions about other users right in the middle of the threads. If you really feel the need to vent about someone, just send them a DM... Posting public call-outs about people is against the rules and counts as trolling. The "politics" thread is blowing up right now, posts are flying in constantly, and there's a massive amount of info being shared. Let's just keep the discussion polite and civilized, alright? Jack Cook7 Tell @Antilles that via a formal warning, since that's her whole routine.

And obviously, @Antilles didn't get a strike just for calling someone a troll.

Maria Reyes35 said:Where exactly is the trolling?

Well, maybe in the fact that you're publicly airing your opinions and analyzing other users on this board...

Yeah, specifically in what you wrote yourself in that blue warning before handing me a strike just because I commented on how things are being moderated in the thread. Technically, I wasn't breaking any rules, but it’s the only way to actually get people to notice since basically nobody ever looks at the formal complaints.

stop jumping down @Antilles' throat!

Maybe she should stop "jumping" at me! Every single time, @Antilles dismisses someone or calls them a troll just because they don't fit her agenda. Generally, I stay away from that kind of back-and-forth (in real life too) and usually just drop links that prove—or disprove—my point, but enough is enough.

Right, so apparently the NCRI is some holy grail of information just because Fox News picked it up, but if I share tweets from people who have proven themselves reliable over the years (even if they're biased), suddenly I'm the one being discredited. Has she ever even gotten a warning for acting like that? Not once.

I'm pretty easygoing, but I won't allow discussions to turn personal on the boards I moderate...

Don't like what @Antilles is writing?

Just hit the report button, ignore her, or shut her down with better arguments...

But I won't tolerate anyone making personal jabs about her like she's some bratty teenager.

Look, I don't allow anyone to take things personally either, and @Antilles can go vent her frustrations somewhere else instead of taking them out on me. And when things *do* get personal, I expect everyone to be held to the same standard. Whether I report it or not shouldn't matter.

The fact that she's been acting like a total brat in these threads for years is common knowledge. You can find tons of posts where she does the exact same thing—discrediting anyone who dares to disagree with her. That's not how you treat people; in the real world, you'd be cut off after the first warning. If that's how her social circle works, then count me out, because I avoid toxic people like that whenever I can.

So, yeah, I just threw away 65 points on top of my initial 35 just to get this settled once and for all.

Jack Cook7 said:More bans coming soon

Of course they came, and obviously, trying to slap a ban on anything involving Iran—like linking back to this thread from some other forum—is just begging for it. It's the same nonsense as quoting a moderator warning...

But hey, you already knew that better than anyone..

If my bosses have more to say about this, they'll make themselves heard..

I've said my piece. The bans are totally justified. Peace out..

It seems to me—though I could be mistaken—that your criteria aren't exactly consistent across the board...

Paul Kern12 said:You guys aren't even using the same yardstick for everyone...

Actually, they are, but in this specific mess, it feels like someone’s definitely playing favorites.

@Antilles loves to troll just as much as the rest of us, honestly, but I’ve always gotten the vibe that there's some underlying issue with Iran and the whole Shia thing—even if she denies it. Meanwhile, when it comes to the actual status of women's rights in Saudi Arabia, she doesn't seem to care at all; she never even brings it up. It's always just some hook to get a reaction out of people.

I mean, who's the ultimate authority on what counts as a reliable source versus total garbage? You gotta figure that out yourself as you go. If you actually keep an open mind, you'll eventually see that the truth is usually buried somewhere right in the middle.

Just drop the ban on Jack Cook7 and let life move on.

And of course, @Antilles keeps playing her usual review-style games.
First, looking back at my post where I dropped the link:

Jack Cook7
The Knesset passed a law to annex the West Bank.

https://twitter.com/constage123/stat...27843227602944
WiseDude‏ @constage123
Replying to @AWAKEALERT @POTUS
While media outlets around the world go hysterical with Iranian protests, the genocide of the people of Yemen goes on with little or no coverage. Meanwhile, the Republican party in the US has quietly passed a resolution to annex the West Bank - let's see how coverage that would

@Antilles hits me back with a flat-out denial without providing a single link:

@Antilles
What Knesset? What law?
It’s not even a Likud resolution about the "West Bank." It's about Zone C within the West Bank.

Seriously, stop spreading Twitter misinformation!

Which is
1. Technically garbage because she didn't attach a link to back up her claim. Plus, she basically confirmed what I said about the annexation—she just tried to nitpick it by saying, "it's not the West Bank, it's Zone C in the West Bank." What is that, like saying "it's not a head, it's a neck"?

2. Once again, getting condescending and insulting by throwing around the phrase "spreading misinformation."

After I reacted:

Jack Cook7
Oh, so it's not the West Bank, it's "Zone C in the West Bank."

By the way, how much did they secure in funding back in 2018 for tearing down settlements and displacing Palestinians to build more Jewish colonies in occupied territories?

It's not a head, it's a neck. Classic @Antilles.

Then comes her response:

@Antilles
@JackCook7

1. The Knesset passed a law to annex the West Bank.
Lie.

2. The Republican party in the US passed a resolution to annex the West Bank.
Lie.

Whether you're lying on purpose or just being ignorant, only you know that.

That's all from me.

1. So @Antilles is AGAIN making claims without any links—so yeah, technically a useless post.

2. Again, the insults and the condescension ("whether you're lying on purpose or just being ignorant...").

And once again, zero consequences.

How long are you guys going to let @Antilles act like this on the forum? What kind of person behaves this way? Would you tolerate someone like this in real life?

Tyler Johnson11 said:Just lift the ban on @Jack Cook7/">@@Jack Cook7 and let life move on.

Wait, what exactly am I supposed to be apologizing for?

Is it for quoting a mod warning? For derailing the thread so hard that we're basically talking about Iran via some random sub-forum? Or maybe it's because I called out some girl on here for acting like she's some 15-year-old amateur?

Look, I’m not even asking to have my penalties wiped. Technically speaking, all three cards I got were valid, and I already admitted that.

What I am looking for is consistent standards when it comes to @Antilles.

1. If I’m getting flagged for technicalities—like when I didn't include a direct link for a claim, even if I was just replying to someone else's post that had the link right there or I was posting directly under it without explicitly quoting the URL—then I want those exact same rules applied to @Antilles.

2. And if I got hit because I supposedly took things personally, even though I was staying on topic here (which I pointed out when I was cited in this thread), then I'm asking for that same standard to be used for @Antilles, just like I quoted.

You guys saw the three reports I filed today against @Antilles' posts. Each one was worth about 30 to 35 points, the same as mine. Whether it's technical errors or just straight-up disrespecting other users, let's keep it fair.

Jack Cook7

I reported @Antilles for trolling. Here are the details if you want to weigh in.

. Using this thread as an invitation to troll is grounds for a ban. No debate there.

And @Antilles, drop the condescension. You’re acting like a 15-year-old who resorts to insults when they run out of actual arguments. Save that attitude for home, if they even let you talk.

A clear-cut ban for ad hominem attacks.

Hopefully, I won't have to comment on the color of the ban you received for quoting a moderator.

Besides, you aren't the one to call others out for trolling, nor are you the moderator here. If you don't like a post, just report it via the icon and move on. I emphasize *move on*, because we moderate according to the article 5 rule pdf regarding politics.

Responding to an insult with another insult. Provoking an argument (trolling) or responding to a provocation with more provocation. Otherwise, all parties involved in such exchanges will be sanctioned, regardless of who started it.

Just a final note: we certainly won't be disclosing how many people have been banned in this thread, how many posts were deleted, or any other moderator activity.

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Charles Fox10 said:Jack Cook7

Posting a link like that just to bait people into trolling? That's an instant ban. No debate about it, period.

Clean slate for an ad hominem charge! Totally spotless.

I really hope I don't have to comment on that colorful little warning you just got for quoting the mod's post in a different color. Seriously!

Look, didn't I already say I’m fine with all three bans because, technically speaking, they're legit? But honestly, @Antilles shouldn't even be getting flagged for any of those three reports. Even though her posts are total garbage—they don't have links and they're just straight-up insults without a shred of proof—she doesn't fit the criteria for those specific violations. Just my two cents!

And get this—check out the magic happening here! All three of her reported posts—one about Iran and two about Israel—have completely vanished into thin air. But wouldn't you know it? A brand-new one about Israel just popped up!
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Quote : @Antilles I can't believe I'm actually seeing this happen right now. It’s like we're living in some weird fever dream where nothing makes sense anymore. Seriously, does anyone else feel that? Everything is just... chaotic. And don't even get me started on what the mainstream media is feeding us. They'll tell you one thing, then flip the script five minutes later like they didn't just lie to your face. It's exhausting! You have to dig through everything yourself if you want the actual truth. Anyway, I was scrolling through Reddit earlier and saw some guy—Jack Cook7—trying to argue about this, and honestly? Total nonsense. Like, come on, man. Get real. People are just out here making things up to sound smart. It’s wild how fast things move these days. One minute everything seems fine, and the next, the whole political landscape shifts under your feet. Just stay sharp, folks. Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes. Where's the link? Send it over! The Republican party in the US has quietly passed a move to annex parts of the West Bank. Seriously, this is huge. Things are moving fast behind the scenes! The Republican party in the US has quietly passed a move to annex parts of the West Bank. Seriously, can you believe this? Things are getting wild out there. Zone C So, get this—the Republican party in the US has quietly passed a resolution. It’s basically a massive push for lawmakers to go ahead and formally annex all those settlements in the West Bank. Benjamin Netanyahu’s crew is totally unified on this one. Seriously, things are moving fast. The Republican party in the US has quietly passed a resolution asking Congress to just go ahead and annex those Jewish settlements in the West Bank. Seriously, things are moving fast. Not again with Zone C... seriously?

Coincidence? Please. If she didn't get slapped with a ban for those two posts I mentioned regarding Israel, how on earth did she know exactly what I was talking about? Did she just happen to be lurking in this thread, or did someone give her a little heads-up behind the scenes?
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Charles Fox10 Look, I'm telling you, it’s not your job to call everyone out for trolling. You aren't the moderator here! If there’s a post that bugs you or just doesn't fit the topic, just hit the report button and move on. Seriously, just ignore it. I'm emphasizing the "ignore" part because we follow the article 5 rule pdf around here. Politics is wild enough without you trying to police everything.

Look, my whole complaint was basically about getting treated differently than everyone else.

Look, I already said it earlier—I went out of my way to bait two extra 65-point strikes on top of that initial 35-pointer (which was just as "orderly," by the way). I did it purely to shine a light on how @Antilles acts and the total double standards we're seeing with moderation around here. If they can pull those moves on me, then she should be held to the exact same standard. Period.

And now, of course, there’s no way to tell if she actually got carded because her original posts were wiped clean. So I’m just stuck here wondering whether she actually caught those strikes or not, even though the whole point of the appeal is that they used double standards! Hmm, what exactly is wrong with that logic, Charles Fox10?

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Just a quick heads-up for anyone wondering—we aren't about to spill the tea on who else got slapped with warnings or bans in this thread, nor are we giving you the play-by-play on how many posts were nuked or what other mod stuff went down. We're keeping that behind the curtain!

Like I said. Every single one of her posts that’s technically wrong, insulting, rude, or just plain disrespectful is getting reported until she either learns how to act right or gets sanctioned just like any other user on this forum for acting out.

Talk soon.

I really have to jump in here and back up my fellow users regarding our "beloved" colleague. It’s honestly wild how much her
insults, belittling comments, trolling, and constant propaganda flooding the politics subforum is being tolerated. It's been going on for years now.

I actually know a few long-time members who got so fed up with this nonsense that they just walked away from the site entirely because they realized there was simply no point
in staying anymore.

You can't even mention Israel, Iran, or Lebanon without running headfirst into her propaganda machine—honestly, even Goebbels would be
embarrassed by this level of spin...

Look, if she’s got some deep-seated personal trauma involving people from the Middle East, fine, we get it, but that’s no excuse to
spend years absolutely loathing them right here on this forum, especially when it seems like the moderators are actually backing her up..

There is a massive double standard happening in the Politics section. Some people get slapped with penalties for the tiniest things, while others, like
her and "COD2", can basically do whatever they want as if they own the damn place.

Look, personally, I don't really care if someone’s got beef with one side while blindly backing the other. That's their prerogative—whether it's because of their beliefs, pure ignorance, personal grudges, or because they're on some payroll.

I’m just asking for some consistency here.

If someone keeps calling me a troll or a liar even when I’m dropping actual sources—and yeah, I even correct myself when I realize a source is biased or wrong—but then *I'm* the one getting slapped with bans just because I forgot a link or called someone out for being an immature brat with trash arguments... well, where's the disconnect? Is it the users on @Antilles or is it the mods?

I never complain when I get flagged for a technical slip-up or if I actually cross the line into being offensive (if I'm not sure, I'll just shoot a PM to ask for clarification). What I am asking for is: stop deleting my posts! I spend thirty minutes or more pouring my heart into a reply, only for it to go *poof*.

So, I decided to intentionally stir the pot and rack up a bunch of flags. Let's go, ladies and gentlemen—it's time to align the rules, because this back-and-forth has been dragging on way too long.

I’ve gotta point out how @Antilles keeps relentlessly trolling everyone about Iranian mullahs and Ayatollahs over in the Syria thread—which, frankly, isn't even the right place for an argument about Iran.
Is there actually a plan to sanction this kind of behavior, or is management just waiting for us to report it? If it's the latter, let's start flagging it.

An award-winning feature Add to Ignore list 🙏 It seems the moderators are content to let those obnoxious, borderline nonsensical comments slide right past them. I’m not typically one to report posts, but when certain individuals are allowed to troll, provoke, and insult others across various subforums, it honestly makes me lose all desire to contribute anything at all. I might pop into the Religion forum once or twice a year, and even then, it’s just a fleeting visit. I’ve seen plenty of online communities collapse for this exact reason. The only saving grace is having the "Add to Ignore list" tool, though it becomes a real headache when other users quote that specific person in their own replies.

coastalorca19 said:Give a Nobel Prize to the Add to Ignore list 🙏 moderator. Seriously. Since the people actually in charge won't step up and deal with the absolute garbage comments that make this place look like a joke, I've just given up. I'm not usually the type to go around reporting everyone, but when certain people are allowed to troll, provoke, and just straight-up insult others across basically every sub-forum... man, why even bother typing? I pop into the Religion section maybe a couple times a year, and even then, I'm in and out in a heartbeat. I know plenty of online communities that completely imploded because of exactly this kind of toxic behavior. Honestly, thank God for the ignore list, though the only real headache is when some other user quotes that person and brings them right back into my face.

I had that person on my ignore list for ages. We never even went head-to-head, but for some reason I decided to unblock them a few months ago.

Tyler Johnson11 said:....

@Sam Alvarez4/">@@Sam Alvarez4 loves to troll just like the rest of us, but I've also gotten the feeling they have an issue with Iran and Shiites in general—even though they denied it. Meanwhile, the whole topic of women's rights in Saudi Arabia doesn't seem to interest them at all, and they never mention it... it's always some kind of gripe about Iran instead. .../

After reading all those comments about how insignificant I am, I just wanted to ask my colleague above one thing.

... while I don't care about the Bulgarian language and never bring it up, I'm always making some sort of "gripe" regarding France (whatever that means).
I also chime in regularly in Spanish.
In English, I jump in here and there, usually when someone's ignorance spikes my blood pressure.

What's your take on this? Do I have an issue with women's rights in Bulgaria or with the Bulgarian language itself? Or is my issue actually with women's rights in France? 😬