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2012 Japanese GP (Suzuka) - Oct 7th

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Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 VeteranOP
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#1 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:Jenson Button is behind us. If a penalty lands on our side, maybe we could use it? Then again, I’m not sure I want that, since Kamui Kobayashi and Romain Grosjean drove exceptionally well today. They earned a solid finish.

All they actually earned was a penalty for failing to slow down under the yellow flags. ☕

Actually, Romain Grosjean should probably take two penalties—one for every single infraction.
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#2 ·
stormybadger8 said:I wouldn't be surprised at all if they handed out penalties to everyone who set a fast lap in the Third Quarter—except, of course, for Fernando Alonso.☕


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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#3 ·
Oh sure, because it obviously won't matter at all how much Kobayashi slowed down... okay, maybe it matters a tiny bit (around .150), but still☕
It doesn't matter anyway; the FIA will just decide it wasn't enough...
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
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#4 ·
Was Schapley running qualifying alongside Novak?
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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stormybadger8 said:I’m pretty sure Romain Grosjean got penalized almost entirely because of Esteban Ocon. I wonder if Mark Webber is in the same boat too...
Kamui Kobayashi likely got hit because of those yellow flags...

Honestly, it wouldn't even surprise me if they penalized everyone who set a fast lap in the Third Quarter, except for Fernando Alonso...☕>
At the end of the day, it feels like the starting grid has very little to do with the actual qualifying results.

I'm not entirely clear on the rule—is a driver required to be slower than their personal best, or just visibly slow?
Missing a tenth or a tenth and a half in the final sector doesn't really feel like "slowing down."
Regardless, whoever earned the penalty deserves it...
Linda Vaughn Linda Vaughn Member
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#6 ·
It appears we are witnessing yet another conspiracy favoring Ferrari, mirroring the exact same pattern we saw following the last race when Sebastian Vettel was penalized for that collision with Jenson Button.

Just kidding. ☕
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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Raymond Anderson4 said:I’m not sure what the actual rule is here. Does the driver have to be slower than their own personal best, or just obviously slow down?
Because being a tenth and a half slower in the final sector isn't really "slowing down" in any meaningful sense.
Regardless, whoever earned the penalty is getting it...

It wasn't just one sector; it happened right through that turn... from the moment the yellow flag popped up until the green flag showed😉
on Sky Sports. You can see it on his steering wheel... plus, he clearly shut off the DRS...

Anyway, I'm still expecting a penalty.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 VeteranOP
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stormybadger8 said:It wasn't within the sector itself, but right through that corner... from the moment the yellow flag popped up until the green flag showed.😉


He was supposed to slow down during that specific stretch where the yellow flag was displayed.
But he didn't.

Just like Jenson Button wouldn't have, for instance.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 VeteranOP
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#9 ·
Just wanted to point out the absolute disaster caused by that Finnish free rider.... 🙏🙏🙏

Even Mass wouldn't have pulled a stunt that idiotic. 🙏🙏🙏

During a wet race, no less. 🙏🙏🙏
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#10 ·
So, here’s how things look after that first round of penalties...

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Mark Webber
3. Kamui Kobayashi
4. Romain Grosjean and Sergio Perez
5. Sergio Perez
6. Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen
7. Kimi Raikkonen
8. Jenson Button
9. Lewis Hamilton
10. Felipe Massa
11. Paul di Resta
12. Pastor Maldonado
13. Nico Rosberg
14. Daniel Ricciardo
15. Hulkenberg
16. Vergne
17. Ayrton Senna
18. Heikki Kovalainen
19. Timo Glock
20. Pedro de la Rosa
21. Pic
22. Vitaly Petrov
23. Michael Schumacher
24. Narain Karthikeyan

This could easily end up being the race with the most post-qualifying penalties and a totally trashed order...
Linda Vaughn Linda Vaughn Member
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#11 ·
It seems the final verdict remains unwritten. Sebastian Vettel has filed a formal protest with the stewards, claiming he was impeded by Fernando Alonso during Q3.

Let the discussion begin.☕
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 VeteranOP
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#12 ·
Sebastian Vettel is being held to account. ☕

Everyone responsible needs to face justice. ☕
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
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#13 ·
Well, it doesn't feel quite the same to me. Are we talking about those penalties handed out before qualifying—the ones everyone saw coming? (Though apparently, certain people missed Jenson Button's penalty entirely, leading them to mistakenly crown him the championship winner.) Or are we discussing the penalties for ignoring yellow flags during the actual qualifying sessions? If they decide to start handing out punishments for yellow flag violations now, the standings are going to be an absolute mess...

update:

Sebastian Vettel summoned to see the stewards?! Yet, in the end, Fernando Alonso will likely take pole... 🤦

update 2:

When asked what went wrong, Kimi Raikkonen simply stated: "I spun."

Regarding how his yellow flag incident might affect the rest of the grid, he remarked: "I don't care what happened to the others."


🤣 🤣 🤣
Linda Vaughn Linda Vaughn Member
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#14 ·
I find it somewhat perplexing that Sebastian Vettel suggested there was no issue simply because the incident occurred within a yellow flag zone. If my memory serves me correctly, Turn 16 is the chicane area, isn't it? If that is the case, there shouldn't have even been any yellow flags flying in that specific section.

🤷
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 VeteranOP
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#15 ·
Bernie can't just go around handing out penalties like that.

Imagine penalizing the only Japanese man at the US Japan Grand Prix. Especially a guy who just put in such an incredible qualifying performance.
Linda Vaughn Linda Vaughn Member
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#16 ·
It seems highly unlikely that the Japanese man will face any penalties at the end of this—just another instance of that troll failing to make an impact, as per usual—though I am sincerely hoping that Sebastian Vettel receives the scrutiny he deserves. ☕
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#17 ·
What the hell was Fernando Alonso doing in Q3?
Everyone seemed to find massive chunks of time in Q3 compared to their Q2 runs. If you looked at his Q2 pace, he would've been starting 4th.
Wasn't he running on those old tires from Q2 during Q3?

Honestly, watching him pull that off with just one single lap in Q3 is giving me high blood pressure.
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Roger Wright94 said:What on earth was Fernando Alonso doing in Q3?
Everyone improved their times significantly in Q3 compared to Q2. Based on his Q2 pace, Alonso would have started 4th eventually.
Was he running on those old tires from Q2 during Q3?

That single lap in Q3... it really gets my blood pressure up.


Were you even watching qualifying? 😁
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
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#19 ·
I believe they mentioned during the broadcast that he burned through his soft tire set back in Q1...

But honestly, trying to make that work with just one lap is just plain idiotic. I’m not even slightly sorry that Kimi spun out and effectively ruined qualifying for half the teams in Q3. If they had just run that single lap when they were supposed to, they wouldn't be sitting there clutching their heads in frustration right now.
The best part? If there actually end up being mass penalties for ignoring yellow flags, that same Kimi might just end up jumping several spots on the starting grid. 😁 🤣
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#20 ·
Roger Wright94 said:What the hell happened with Alonso in Q3?
Everyone else (some by a lot) improved their times in Q3 compared to Q2. Based on his Q2 pace, Alonso would've been starting 4th.
Wasn't he running Q3 on those old tires from Q2?

That single lap in Q3 is seriously giving me high blood pressure.

He was struggling for time in Q1 (pretty sure it was on the medium tires), then again in Q2 (probably more mediums 🤷)...

It's possible he didn't even have a fresh set for Q3.🤷

btw😁

FIA and FOM should provide live feed from stewards room, where #F1 action really happens these days.

🤣🤣🤣

Says @kamui_kobayashi: "I’m a little bit worried I have Grosjean next to me. I am good friend. But, you know, make sure."

Fear is a good thing if you actually have it.🙏🤣

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